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[ShirAhava]

So no DisplayPort 2.0?......AV1 can wait, don't care about RT, don't need the extra power

I'm sticking with Turing for a while longer

 

[Ironbunny]

Plss

CP2077 running at 20FPS without DLSS on a 4080 (supposedly). Is that right? That's even lower than a 3090 (4K + RT).

I think its somekind of new uber RT mode thats not here yet. Basicly runs uber shit on old HW and needs dls 3.0

 

[scydrex]

Depends on what resolution you're gaming at on your PC. If it's 4k or above then as long as you have a mid to high end CPU from the last ~4 years you should be fine.

I'll be taking my 3900X forward with me, no need to do a complete rebuild until the next generation of consoles arrive as far as I'm concerned. Games will be built around the CPU's in the ps5/series consoles so nothing to worry about.



I already have everything else.

And if you're building from scratch there are also a bunch of 2xxx and 3xxx series cards to choose from. Hell, if you're that fucked off with nvidia and their pricing then go with AMD.

The xx80 and xx90 cards have never been geared towards the budget concious system builder but I guess people are entitled whiny bitches these days so this is the result.

People who want and can afford these cards will buy them, end of.

The thing is outside the USA the PC gaming is more expensive. In my country for anything of $200 or more you have you pay taxes. For example you buy a PC of $1000 you have to add 30-35% of taxes on top of the total. Also wait for the parts to get from the USA to my country and pay to bring it here. Buying a computer here is even more expensive. Those who love PC gaming have to understand that outside the USA is even more expensive.

I don't have a PC so in my case if i have the money and choose between a 4080 or the Iphone 14 max will choose the Iphone.

 

[Shadowstar39]

holy shit the 4080 price is depressing, and they basically told us to buy 30 series if we want something cheaper, they won't release anything cheaper from 40 series until they sell most of the 30 stock

What do you expect them to do? They are a business, and have excess stock of 3000 series cards. They need to move stock of 3000 series by dropping the price.
If they keep prices of 3000 series high and make up some bs, then yeah call them out, but doing normal things related to supply and demand, all good.

They will release 4060s /4070s /4050s down the line. They always release top dogs first. Nothing new.

On a side note, do we even need this now? Outside of people with old gpus, what games take advantage of this? 4k monitors are expensive (unlike tv counterparts).
My 3060ti is maxing out everything @1080p and getting at least 60fps in everything @1440p. I was getting impressive stats on my 2060 too.

We don't get new Cyrsis style exclusives anymore sadly. Cyberpunk was the closet thing to it, and even then you can get 100+ fps if you turn off ray tracing effects.

 

[Tg89]

Man, I'm torn.

I'm firmly in the 1440p camp so I simply won't spend the money to get a 16gb 4080.

Question is, do I want to get a 3080ti today or wait a couple months and pay extra for the 12gb 4080?

 

[ahtlas7]

At these prices I’m not even tempted.

Amd, what are you cooking?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Also..

WHERE THE HELL IS RTX IO ??

 

[Fredrik]

Depends on what resolution you're gaming at on your PC. If it's 4k or above then as long as you have a mid to high end CPU from the last ~4 years you should be fine.

I'll be taking my 3900X forward with me, no need to do a complete rebuild until the next generation of consoles arrive as far as I'm concerned. Games will be built around the CPU's in the ps5/series consoles so nothing to worry about.



I already have everything else.

And if you're building from scratch there are also a bunch of 2xxx and 3xxx series cards to choose from. Hell, if you're that fucked off with nvidia and their pricing then go with AMD.

I have a 1440p screen and Ryzen 3800x CPU, 850W PSU… slow RAM and SSD too compared to what you get today.

Just feels like I need to do a full upgrade to really take advantage of such a beastly graphics card.

I could do the full upgrade though, it’s about time, oldest part is about 10 years now, and tbh there is too much real world crap going on right now to worry about using some money to invest in a hobby.

 

[GHG]

The thing is outside the USA the PC gaming is more expensive. In my country for anything of $200 or more you have you pay taxes. For example you buy a PC of $1000 you have to add 30-35% of taxes on top of the total. Also wait for the parts to get from the USA to my country and pay to bring it here. Buying a computer here is even more expensive. Those who love PC gaming have to understand that outside the USA is even more expensive.

I don't have a PC so in my case if i have the money and choose between a 4080 or the Iphone 14 max will choose the Iphone.

I don't live in the US and never have. Sorry to hear about your taxes though.

There is absolutely nothing an Iphone 14 pro max would give me that my current phone (or any other mid range android phone for that matter) would give me. All I do is phone, email, WhatsApp and browse the Internet. I've even stopped taking photos/videos with my phone unless it's in social situations. I have real cameras for my travels.

If you game on your phone that might be a different story though but I struggle to see where the value proposition is in a bloody iPhone if you're going to pretend you're budget concious while handing over all that cash to apple for technology that is well behind the curve.

 

[Scotracer]

I think I'll be staying with my 3070 for another generation. I play on 3440x1440.

I bought that card at RRP in the UK on launch. Seems a steal, even though I really wanted a 3080.

 

[GHG]

I have a 1440p screen and Ryzen 3800x CPU, 850W PSU… slow RAM and SSD too compared to what you get today.

Just feels like I need to do a full upgrade to really take advantage of such a beastly graphics card.

I could do the full upgrade though, it’s about time, oldest part is about 10 years now, and tbh there is too much real world crap going on right now to worry about using some money to invest in a hobby.

Your CPU is fine. Slap a gen 3 or 4 NVME in there and you're good to go until the end of this console generation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do these things have direct storage on them?

 

[balls of snow]

Looking forward to that 4060 card. And really, we getting games built for ps4 spec until 2025 anyways.

 

[PhoenixTank]

It's actually not a smart business play when you consider AMD represents less than 10% of Steam Survey's dedicated GPUs Vs. Nvidias >90% (for more than a decade), but it's what they'll do anyway. They clearly don't have any interest in making inroads in the dGPU space. The fact that they're not preempting Nvidias launch with their overview announcement also tells you everything you need to know about their performance--that they're not even playing in the same ballpark. Nvidia is of course already aware of this from leaks at their partners, which is why they priced them where they did.

I'd agree with the first half, price matching would be good for them in only the short term and bad long term. Generally disagree with the second half. Nvidia's price movements still echo Turing to me, with the associated heavy mining period before their release and the excess of previous gen stock.

 

[CuNi]

Any words about nvenc version? Sadly 3000 series had same version as 2000 series. Not looking to buy the new cards, just wondering if there is any development or if that hit a dead end already.

 

[PillsOff]

We will get this kinda perfomance in a 1/5 years in a more compact, way less power hungry version as rtx 5060 at quater of a price.
For me that is the best time to actually buy this.
Youll get insane perfomance without feeding 1500W nuclear reactor to watch some Youtube

 

[SmokedMeat]

PC gamers will keep paying a lot of money for cards that will never be fully utilized/optimized.

This is so true. If they were fully optimized we wouldn’t need to buy new hardware for a long time.

 

[Sybrix]

The DLSS 3.0 seems a bit gimmicky to me, like there trying to push that because the 4000 cards only barely are an improvement on the 3000 cards.

Will be interesting to see the performance reviews vs the 3000 equivalents

 

[Shadowstar39]

The thing is outside the USA the PC gaming is more expensive. In my country for anything of $200 or more you have you pay taxes. For example you buy a PC of $1000 you have to add 30-35% of taxes on top of the total. Also wait for the parts to get from the USA to my country and pay to bring it here. Buying a computer here is even more expensive. Those who love PC gaming have to understand that outside the USA is even more expensive.

I don't have a PC so in my case if i have the money and choose between a 4080 or the Iphone 14 max will choose the Iphone.

What country is that 20-30% tax, that is crazy!!!! We get .06% sales tax on everything but non prepared food in Pennsylvania, but drive to Delaware and there is 0% sales tax.

If that is the case why even go for a 4080. Why not stick with a 3060 or hell, i had a 1650 super that I spent $140 and it was maxing everything at 1080p. I had it paired with an i3 and it had some snags but once i built an ryzen 3600 build those issues were gone (except for no mans sky on high settings) Got a 2060 and all good. Really the 4080 or 3080 is overkill unless you have a $1000 monitor that does 4k, and if you do , you aren't hurting for funds and can afford the premium.

Personally, I try to avoid going over $400 for gpu, and that used to get the upper lower end cards (nvidia geforce 3, 6800vanallia, 8800gts lasted me years. Then amd 7870 for $200 was killer) it used to be you could get a 80 version card for $400-500ish. Don't know when this changed. Now high end 60 cards are $400. You can say inflation, but that was from before covid.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

CP2077 running at 20FPS without DLSS on a 4080 (supposedly). Is that right? That's even lower than a 3090 (4K + RT).

New RT preset going above Psycho.

 

[zcaa0g]

I'm anxious to see truthful Cyberpunk, FS 2020, and DCS benchmarks

 

[PhoenixTank]

Any words about nvenc version? Sadly 3000 series had same version as 2000 series. Not looking to buy the new cards, just wondering if there is any development or if that hit a dead end already.

8th Gen with Ada. Turing and Ampere were 7th Gen. AV1 encode is new, unsure on other details.

 

[intheinbetween]

Well that pricing leaves no room for doubt Nvdia needs to get rid of the existing stock of series 3000

 

[YukiOnna]

 

[mrMUR_96]

So the 4080 12GB is basically the 4070?

 

[A.Romero]

The DLSS 3.0 seems a bit gimmicky to me, like there trying to push that because the 4000 cards only barely are an improvement on the 3000 cards.

Will be interesting to see the performance reviews vs the 3000 equivalents

The 2X - 4X performance improvement on the 4080 compared to 3090 is taking DLSS 3.0 into account?

Where can I see benchmarks to compare?

 

[PhoenixTank]

So the 4080 12GB is basically the 4070?

Yup. Shenanigans.

 

[mrMUR_96]

Really hope AMD's new cards are good, these prices are ridiculous.

 

[scydrex]

So the 4080 12GB is basically the 4070?

Yes, exactly.

 

[ryzen1]

A 4070 for the same msrp as the 3070 would have been an instant buy for me.
But with this pricing they can fuck off. I'm waiting for the RNDA 3 cards. Hope they are not as greedy as Nvidia.

 

[danklord]

That was a very vague, underwhelming reveal. They went so much harder with the 3090 launch and their influencers "Experiencing 8K"

Shouldn't these be doing 8k... way better? Wouldn't that be a talking point? Portal RTX??? Also, the release schedule is weird.

 

[systemr123]

Yeah because people that one a graphics card say "well I better buy 3 ps5, well I better buy 6 Switch lite"

You must have a big family to need that many consoles

 

[Thabass]

Yeah it should have been called 4070 (Ti)

It was if you believe Jay2Centz.

 

[drotahorror]

Nvidia on some bullshit. There shouldn’t be any improvements or gains besides the ram when offering 2 models of the same sku minus some clock speeds I suppose.

And $1200 lol. For a xx80?

 

[Corndog]

http://[URL]https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

[/URL]

3rd gen of RTX coming with DLSS 3.0

DLSS 3.0 is capable of generating additional frames, boosting game performance by up to 4 times.

Ada Lovelace graphics chip revealed

NVIDIA presents a tool called RTX Remix that allows to build RTX mods for games (pictured: Morrowind)

They are really making a 12GB model? Kind of low for a top end card.

 

[systemr123]

What country is that 20-30% tax

Welcome to Europe my friend . Here in Sweden we pay 25% tax, and where I come from in the Netherlands if I remember correctly it’s 21 or 22%. But then again, we can go to the hospital and go crazy with treatments for free, while the USA puts you into incredible debts just for a common cold treatment.

 

[stranno]

New RT preset going above Psycho.

I guess, but 20FPS on a new hardware..

 

[64bitmodels]

AMD, i need you to get your asses in gear and actually compete with Nvidia, cause these prices are straight bullshit.

They are

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Whoever does preorders first gets my money, it's that simple.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

New rig, bois! My wallet just cried.

 

[Crayon]

So the 4080 12GB is basically the 4070?

40SHADY

 

[zkorejo]

Yeah No thanks Nvidia fuck you thanks.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Honestly it's a waste of time.

You would think they would realise even most of the 2XXX series cards are equal to or stronger than the current consoles but no, they only want to focus on these new cards that wipe the floor with the current consoles.

For almost 3 times the price of a PS5... I mean it should, but your not done with only that card in your high end rig.

 

[//DEVIL//]

For almost 3 times the price of a PS5... I mean it should, but your not done with only that card in your high end rig.

Not true . The 3080 at least used will be the price of the ps5 if not cheaper . And that’s like 2 times more powerful than ps5

 

[Lethal01]

I guess, but 20FPS on a new hardware..

You can lower the FPS on any hardware to 2fps if you push it hard enough.
If I try to run a game at 16k native it doesn't really matter if my hardware is new or old it's gonna fucking die.

Being new is irrelevant, things always have limits and people always try to push it beyond those limits.

 

[Patrick S.]

And here is me, a proud RTX 3080 owner, using my PC for little besides general web and porn browsing anymore, and buying most of his games on Nintendo Switch and PS5 now. At those prices, and with the electricity prices of today, I'm not really interested in playing the PC updating game.

 

[TheBreezyBB]

I don't know why people are even excited for these cards!
Prices are ridiculously high.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Eh, that price can kindly fuck off. My 3080 is showing no signs of slowing down and there's barely anything out there that really puts it to test at 1440p. I'll be holding off until Nvidia can keep their shit in check and start offering these cards at sensible prices.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

I'll either snag the 4090fe or the MSI Suprim cause it looks really good:

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Looking forward to that 4060 card. And really, we getting games built for ps4 spec until 2025 anyways.

O boy do you realy think that? And they build a version for the PS5 and then tune everthing down for the PS4. Cous downtuning is much more easy to do than upscaling everything like building in 3d sound haptic feedback and adaptive triggers and making use of the SSD and the faster hardware.
Dude theyr are games build for the PS5 only, and next year, so in 2023 theyr wil be many many more.