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[CornBurrito]

Except for the fact that we're getting far fewer new cartoons than ever before. No one can argue that there's still good stuff coming out...occasionally. But the sheer quantity has diminished significantly since the days when Fox's X-Men was on the air.

It is quite possible the quality is roughly similar, but you're older now and have less of a tolerance for the shit that used to be in cartoons.

 

[jadedm17]

Those of you who aren't familiar with the 2k3 TMNT needs to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSM4tHSs37M

Huge fan of the cartoon growing up, which in turn made me wise up and become a huge fan of the original comic, and I'm enjoying the retelling of the new comic.

My thoughts :

- Never enjoyed 2K3. That was heavy for a kids show, but good. A little too much gun play and "What the shell?" for my tastes. All the praise it gets though - which truthfully didn't lead me wrong on Breaking Bad or Speed Racer - is making me rethink my position, maybe I should watch it.

- New show will undoubtedly be garbage. The horrible style aside, Don doesn't need a gap-tooth and what exactly are you gonna do with hooks on Mikey's nunchucks?

- Can't wait for the new live action movie.

 

[Slavik81]

This reminds me of my complaint of modern day cartoons. We went from this

To this

There's nothing inherently wrong with Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. The pilot episode was outstanding. The fact that the rest of the show sucked really just says that it should have been left as a 40-minute one-off.

Except for the fact that we're getting far fewer new cartoons than ever before. No one can argue that there's still good stuff coming out...occasionally. But the sheer quantity has diminished significantly since the days when Fox's X-Men was on the air.

Aside from the opening credits, X-Men was actually a terrible show. You're nostalgic. The animation is cheap and the execution of their story is atrocious. In concept, it might be really cool, but that's all the show had going for it.

 

[smr00]

After doing some quick IMDB-FU i came up with 2 results that frighten me about the new series

Turns out

Pie Fucker Jason Biggs

Will be voicing Leo, and Rudy Sean Astin will be voicing Raph

Although i am still withholding judgement till i see it, i am very skeptical of Biggs, Astin i can see pulling off a good voice over but Jason Biggs? REALLY? however they did get Kevin Michael Richardson to voice Shredder

There's nothing inherently wrong with Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. The pilot episode was outstanding. The fact that the rest of the show sucked really just says that it should have been left as a 40-minute one-off.



Aside from the opening credits, X-Men was actually a terrible show. You're nostalgic. The animation is cheap and the execution of their story is atrocious. In concept, it might be really cool, but that's all the show had going for it.

I completely disagree, having recently bought and re-watched the 90s X-Men cartoon it still holds up, had better animation then the shitty Evolution cartoon.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, people say the same thing about the 80s/90s TMNT cartoon, now granted a lot of the messages they were sending doesn't quite click as much as they would have in the 80s/90s it is still a great cartoon, maybe you are just too cynical to enjoy older cartoons.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Foster's was decent, considering it was birthed in the dark years of Cartoon Network (thank god they're out of that rut now). But the animation for it was always good. Super colourful, expressive stuff. Basically an evolution of the old Johnny Bravo/Dexter/Powerpuff style.

 

[SapientWolf]

...you haven't watched animated shows since half a decade ago, haven't you?

This is how it is:

We went from your X-Men to this:

and we went from the 40's Looney Tunes to this:

There is nothing you should be complaining about.

Never thought that Looney Tunes would be the show to re-enact that incident with the Polish couple.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

There's nothing inherently wrong with Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. The pilot episode was outstanding. The fact that the rest of the show sucked really just says that it should have been left as a 40-minute one-off.



Aside from the opening credits, X-Men was actually a terrible show. You're nostalgic. The animation is cheap and the execution of their story is atrocious. In concept, it might be really cool, but that's all the show had going for it.

Derb, what. I didn't say anything in terms of X-Men's quality, good or bad.

My only statement pertained to the fact that back then, a lot more cartoons were coming out. I used Xmen as an example because somebody else brought it up.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

It is quite possible the quality is roughly similar, but you're older now and have less of a tolerance for the shit that used to be in cartoons.

I'd agree that the quality is indeed roughly similar, and I definitely have a huge tolerance for it. In fact, in a lot of cases, I embrace it steadily. Not that that has anything to do with my statement whatsoever.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I completely disagree, having recently bought and re-watched the 90s X-Men cartoon it still holds up, had better animation then the shitty Evolution cartoon.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, people say the same thing about the 80s/90s TMNT cartoon, now granted a lot of the messages they were sending doesn't quite click as much as they would have in the 80s/90s it is still a great cartoon, maybe you are just too cynical to enjoy older cartoons.

You do know that writing aside, X-Men and well nearly all of Marvel cartoons in 90's have shitty animation right? If there's one thing X-Men Evolution had over X-Men TAS it's fluidity of animation.

And no, 80's TMNT felt disjointed, as if there was no sense of adventure or progress compared to its later incarnation.

 

[Slavik81]

Derb, what. I didn't say anything in terms of X-Men's quality, good or bad.

My only statement pertained to the fact that back then, a lot more cartoons were coming out. I used Xmen as an example because somebody else brought it up.

My mistake. I misread quantity as quality in the second part of your post.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Wait... people are complaing about how Foster's looks? The old X-Men cartoon did some good things, but it did have some terrible animation. Foster's fucking oozes style and charm. And this is coming from someone who really didn't like the show.

 

[jonezer4]

Although i am still withholding judgement till i see it, i am very skeptical of Biggs, Astin i can see pulling off a good voice over but Jason Biggs? REALLY? however they did get Kevin Michael Richardson to voice Shredder

If...

could be a pretty damn good Donatello, I think there's hope for Jason Biggs to be a solid Leonardo.

 

[Takao]

People were bashing and saying the same thing about the 2003 TMNT reboot, i thought it was great and withheld judgement till it aired, i will do the same with this.

Granted i am completely biased towards anything TMNT, i have been a fanatic since the late 80s, i have faith in nick, more faith than fox.

I imagine the complaints about 2K3 came from fans who were only exposed to the 80s series and found the designs "extreme", or those scared of the company involved (4Kids - a company well known for dubious productions). 2K3 was always billed as a more serious Turtles series, unfortunately Nick's Turtles have been billed as comedy, and feature stunt casting among other questionable decisions.

 

[Rlan]

Every iteration of Batman: TAS gets more and more angular. Look at those squat, flat heads.

The next series will be:

We still have Young Justice!

 

[ReiGun]

Aquaman needs to cut his hair. Damn hippie.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I imagine the complaints about 2K3 came from fans who were only exposed to the 80s series and found the designs "extreme", or those scared of the company involved (4Kids - a company well known for dubious productions). 2K3 was always billed as a more serious Turtles series, unfortunately Nick's Turtles have been billed as comedy, and feature stunt casting among other questionable decisions.

Yeah this. 2k3 actually had supporters too. At least back then they were acknowledging the fact that they will follow the source material while making their own spin. This one feels like a repeat of Power Rangers Samurai in handling.

 

[G-Fex]

I blame this all on you Ookami

 

[Qwomo]

Those of you who aren't familiar with the 2k3 TMNT needs to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSM4tHSs37M

Holy shit, in the related videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuV1xvC1EVw

I had no idea there was an Usagi Yojimbo crossover in the 2k3 series! Fuck yessssss.

 

[lethial]

If I was 10 years old I'd be furious.

 

[Riggs]

Omg this looks awful ...

 

[Mudkips]

In this thread people attack/defend modern animation based using 80s and 90s animation as "evidence".

Golden age forever.

 

[Takao]

I liked how the opening animations (and sometimes songs) for TMNT 2K3 changed over the years relating to the change in plot:

Warning: Slight spoilers here
2003
2005
2006
2007
2008

RIP

 

[AbsoluteZero]

I liked how the opening animations (and sometimes songs) for TMNT 2K3 changed over the years relating to the change in plot:

Warning: Slight spoilers here
2003
2005
2006
2007
2008

RIP

See you say "RIP " but I think the show had a good run, and "Flash Forward" nonsense aside, managed to keep a consistent quality throughout.

Better to let it die while it's good than stretch it out till it's terrible.

 

[fallengorn]

Ok, now that we're pass that ...

They start work on the CGI Batman show ... but it's canned because it's too dark apparently. Here is the concept art the concept artist posted for this project.

Never heard about this. Is there anymore info out there about the scrapped project?

I'm not too worried about Beware the Batman. I think the image that spread around the net was an early mock-up. They're planning to air on 2013, right?

 

[JumpingTheGun]

Shouldve gone with this Shredder instead

 

[Host Samurai]

The 2K3 show was great IMO. The turtles themselves were a lot cooler and more distinct than the 80's turtles. The only thing that was sucked about the 2K3 show was lack of memorable villains compared to the 80's show. All I remember about the 2k3 show in terms of villains besides Shredder was Hun. Also it would have been much cooler if Shredder wasn't an Utrom.

I really like both 80's and 2K3 series. Not sure which I like better. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

 

[spindashing]

I liked how the opening animations (and sometimes songs) for TMNT 2K3 changed over the years relating to the change in plot:

Warning: Slight spoilers here
2003
2005
2006
2007
2008

RIP

First intro was so good.jpg

 

[Boss Doggie]

Holy shit, in the related videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuV1xvC1EVw

I had no idea there was an Usagi Yojimbo crossover in the 2k3 series! Fuck yessssss.

I was about to yell at you for saying Usagi Yojimbo instead of his name, Usagi Miyamoto, but then you seem to refer to the title.

I'll let you live... for now.

The 2K3 show was great IMO. The turtles themselves were a lot cooler and more distinct than the 80's turtles. The only thing that was sucked about the 2K3 show was lack of memorable villains compared to the 80's show. All I remember about the 2k3 show in terms of villains besides Shredder was Hun. Also it would have been much cooler if Shredder wasn't an Utrom.

I really like both 80's and 2K3 series. Not sure which I like better. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

2k3 has the nightmare inducing Garbage Man though.

 

[Takao]

I guess on the bright side we can say this show isn't the ugliest TMNT CG animation...

See you say "RIP " but I think the show had a good run, and "Flash Forward" nonsense aside, managed to keep a consistent quality throughout.

Better to let it die while it's good than stretch it out till it's terrible.

I still want this:

(Yes, this was an actual production idea alongside others that included bringing back Usagi, and one where the Turtles actually acted like teenagers)

 

[FunBoy]

Wow even Reboot looks better than that and its 17 years old!!


Oh Reboot......... :swoooooooon:

 

[ReiGun]

Ugh. Why did "Back to the Sewers" change their eyes? They look so creepy.

 

[bryehn]

This looks horrible all around.

 

[G-Fex]

I guess on the bright side we can say this show isn't the ugliest TMNT CG animation...



I still want this:

(Yes, this was an actual production idea alongside others that included bringing back Usagi, and one where the Turtles actually acted like teenagers)

thats awful, its like that mario game with a baby mario and regular mario

 

[Takao]

Ugh. Why did "Back to the Sewers" change their eyes? They look so creepy.

It was done as a way to borrow the look of the CG film. Another one of the failed pitches was making a show linking to that film IIRC.

thats awful, its like that mario game with a baby mario and regular mario

The hook was that when the turtles were coming back from the future they accidentally went back too far into another dimension, and met the baby versions of them, lol.

 

[Platy]

Edit: I should mention that the quality of this render probably isn't indicative of the final one. However, it is likely indicative of the design. This art is a promo piece put together for a TMNT Nick show based ride

This ... looks fake

 

[Boss Doggie]

I find it hilarious though, since the TMNT Smash Up uses the CGI design... yet removed the pupils.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Really? How about the complete lack of visual charm.

It's like modern Simpsons, sure it looks cleaner and is better animated, but it has zero visual charm, and in the case of Simpsons and Looney Tunes that visual charm was a huge part of what made the show's appealing.

Dude the visual charm is there. The cartoon is hilarious.

 

[SMT]

Oh look, it's a 64 bit take on CG, sorry, not patient enough for that type of stuff.

 

[Wingfan19]

Bunch of toy pics have been released from Toy Fair, the Shredder looks waaay better here.

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2012_Toy_Fair/Playmates

 

[Marvie_3]

Splinter is awful looking.

 

[DonMigs85]

It was done as a way to borrow the look of the CG film. Another one of the failed pitches was making a show linking to that film IIRC.

Mikey looks so kawaii ~uguu

 

[Boss Doggie]

Bunch of toy pics have been released from Toy Fair, the Shredder looks waaay better here.

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/index.php?mo...ir%2FPlaymates

Why is everyone chubby-ish?

 

[MisterHero]

From those pics, it seems they're bringing back Metalhead from the 80s show

It's very similar to the original

 

[G-Fex]

I think April's design is growing on me.

I mean she's not her sexy adult self but ...I suppose it's cute for her to be a teenager.

I guess :\

 

[Sanjuro]

Either way, it can't be worse than the later 2k3 series.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Either way, it can't be worse than the later 2k3 series.

Yet later 2k3 series is much better than the later 80's-90's TMNT and Next Mutation.

 

[G-Fex]

Yet later 2k3 series is much better than the later 80's-90's TMNT and Next Mutation.

Hey now, the Next Mutation was great. And it was live action.

 

[Marvie_3]

Hey now, the Next Mutation was great. And it was live action.

 

[Phoenix]

You guys sure this isn't a screen shot for an Android/iOS game?

 

[Takao]

Bunch of toy pics have been released from Toy Fair, the Shredder looks waaay better here.

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2012_Toy_Fair/Playmates

so ugry