abstract alien
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Seems like Zang will be murderous, and Hakan w/oil is just wrong now lol
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I think she was already top tier in Super anyway. Seems like the bigger advantage goes to the grapplers with this update.
RockTurtle
Member
except Abel. hopefully the new char is a female grappler
You keep him out?
R_thanatos
Member
2 supers at the same time ?
Red focus ?
#GAMECHANGER
hearing this made me exited for 2014 SF community i can't count how many stratégies will be void now and there is still the matter of life and damage reduction /upgrades for everyone.
how will Gen players will react , now that they will be able to unleash 4 supers and maintain pressure with red focus ? how many possibilities ?
Red focus ?
#GAMECHANGER
hearing this made me exited for 2014 SF community i can't count how many stratégies will be void now and there is still the matter of life and damage reduction /upgrades for everyone.
how will Gen players will react , now that they will be able to unleash 4 supers and maintain pressure with red focus ? how many possibilities ?
DryEyeRelief
Member
I don't want to dogpile on the theoryfighting seeing as we still need to play and see how loctests go, but Hakan legit scares me, not just because he's a bad matchup for gouken, he could be strong for real. That said everyone I'm thinking is gonig to be a whole lot more nuanced now. It's legit a new game now, there is going to be so much meta-fuckery/gimmicks/ and tech to be found for a long while after the games release, I think.
I'm not happy with these changes either, but it's still being adjusted, based on fan feedback at location tests. Let's give it a chance.
Robot Pants
Member
Along with the nerfs they already gave him, these changes just sealed Seth's death. RIP
Overall this seems like a really terrible idea. It completely changes the game.
Overall this seems like a really terrible idea. It completely changes the game.
He has yoga sniper back though, that's cool right?
Robot Pants
Member
No that move was dumb and gimmicky. Glad it left with Super. It ain't gonna help him at all.
Hours Left
Member
Just tell us who the fifth character is please.
Did you see the paltry damage done? Let's take a breath.
Fan feedback must be inaccurate if he's gone this far. Maybe crowd source online forums where many professional theory groomers can provide invaluable input.
I agree with your sentiments that we should wait, but damage is relative to the character and to the ultra bar. This could make for some devastating wakeup shenanigans/mind fuckery. All we can do is wait for the loc tests. Saying it's broken is very premature.
Ragingnight
Member
fucking rufus ultra did shit damage. If zangief u2 is just a tad more than that then its not even a worry. All it does is secure the win at the last bit of health.
I mean if zangief ultra 1/2 only does like 15/20% damage MAX. Then why should I care that much considering he is only going to get 1 max ultra majority of the time?
Let it rock and you can always tweak it later. Ultra won't be the last patch if shit is super broken.
I mean if zangief ultra 1/2 only does like 15/20% damage MAX. Then why should I care that much considering he is only going to get 1 max ultra majority of the time?
Let it rock and you can always tweak it later. Ultra won't be the last patch if shit is super broken.
Exactly, besides double ultra will probably be matchup specific more than anything else. Somehow an Ultra II Zangief being able to do 230 dmg via hard spd vs 304-450 ultra 2 dmg isn't broken yet being able to 230-343 ultra 1 vs 200-297 ultra 2 dmg is beyond broken and a surefire sign that he's going to be top tier.
I'm hoping they would just make it hard + hard. Make select taunt if they have to, who gives a fuck if you can't taunt on an arcade machine.
Well the guy who leaked red focus and double ultra did say watch out for Oni, Ken, Chun and Yang....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86873713&postcount=85
I mean it was obvious with their buffs they would be strong, like when one of the SFIV players wrote in to Ayano and said Momochi switched to Ken from Cody after seeing the upcoming buffs.
Teknopathetic
Member
The reason why grapplers are relatively weak will not be addressed just because they have access to both ultras.
I like these significant system mechanic changes, though.
I like these significant system mechanic changes, though.
Tesseract
Banned
strat fogger iz seeroos bidneez 2 me!
anyway, i hope they playtest the hell out this shits before release.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
To make all these changes to the game this late is stupid.
I really hope combofiend is not all of a sudden a game developer and breaking shit.
I really hope combofiend is not all of a sudden a game developer and breaking shit.
Professor Beef
Banned
Gief's Ultra 2 does 450 fully charged. Bear in mind this is less than his U1, which is 520.
At 66%, the new damage totals become 297 (U2) and 343 (U1). Remember that this is fully charged, which means that it will be doing even LESS damage if they decide to blow their load early.
People are truly worried that the sky is falling, but aren't taking the time to sit down and think rationally. Having access to both Ultras is nice, but it is by no means a rocket ship to Top Tier-land. Gief and the other grapplers aren't going anywhere on the tier list unless they get individual buffs (which Hawk and *maybe* Hakan need).
At 66%, the new damage totals become 297 (U2) and 343 (U1). Remember that this is fully charged, which means that it will be doing even LESS damage if they decide to blow their load early.
People are truly worried that the sky is falling, but aren't taking the time to sit down and think rationally. Having access to both Ultras is nice, but it is by no means a rocket ship to Top Tier-land. Gief and the other grapplers aren't going anywhere on the tier list unless they get individual buffs (which Hawk and *maybe* Hakan need).
Why is complacency better? We've been playing the same game for 5 years so let's keep it the same blemishes and all? This shakes things up a lot, let's see the changes in action before we collectively shit on it.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Changes sound good and it'll get me to pick the game back up, which is nice! Also, this helps justify the price tag as it becomes more of a 3rd strike" kind of revision by changing some core gameplay functions.
If red focus is a legit #gamechanger they seriously need to address how some characters have excellent focus attacks compared to a lot who have shit ones. I remember Seth's commentary for Fei Wong Justin Vs Daigo Ryu @ Season's Beating that they gave the characters varying qualities of focus attacks depending on how strong they thought they were. (i.e, Fei's ass but we gave him a good focus attack!) Obviously that was either bullshit, they had no fucking idea how to properly judge how strong characters were or that concept was thrown out the window since they never adjusted anyone's focus attack in the following 3 revisions.
But the guy who leaked red focus and double ultras said that a level 2 red focus is an unblockable, characters like Fei and Evil Ryu will get a lot of mileage out of that compared to say Ken or Boxer etc.
But the guy who leaked red focus and double ultras said that a level 2 red focus is an unblockable, characters like Fei and Evil Ryu will get a lot of mileage out of that compared to say Ken or Boxer etc.
RockTurtle
Member
do female characters still need to freak out?
I had heard about the dual Ultras already but the damage sacrifice means the grapplers won't be OP after all
the dream is dead
You wouldn't be op with it regardless
kappa
Professor Beef
Banned
What's the dmg on a fully charged ultra 2 (using double combo so 66%) c.lk, c.lk, ex legs ultra 2 for chunners?
I agree, it should've been made earlier, even so it's still welcome, better late than never. It's silly that it took 4 revisions before we got any significant change outside of a second ultra to choose from and some characters getting wallbounces.
I agree, it should've been made earlier, even so it's still welcome, better late than never. It's silly that it took 4 revisions before we got any significant change outside of a second ultra to choose from and some characters getting wallbounces.
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That's what I'm thinking. I don't feel too good about this, especially two Ultras. They were never designed to both be used at once, damage normalization or not.
Adding so many variable this late in the game is highly questionable to me.
Don't forget fuerte
GodParticle
Member
Focus is almost as dumb as parry and now they give an uber version. Great...
RockTurtle
Member
holy crap i didn't know fuerte and the twins were so small framed. twins i understand but Fuerte? also Vega has 1k HP.
That vagina tax yo. So widespread that it affects male characters too
to be fair fuerte's a bitch
Professor Beef
Banned
Vega's mask also falls off which leaves him with less defense.
And of course Fuerte has less health. You thought he had 1k? lol
RockTurtle
Member
the mask thing yeah its understandable. I guess i never took into account fuerte's low HP cause i barely get a hit on the fidgety little bastard.
Anything that fucks Fuerte is good by me.
Okay, but Super Turbo and Third Strike were nowhere near as well balanced as AE 2012 and people seem to love those games anyway.
Balance isn't everything.
Okay, but Super Turbo and Third Strike were nowhere near as well balanced as AE 2012 and people seem to love those games anyway.
Balance isn't everything.
You might be right, but I think it's more interesting than playing the same exact game for another 5 years.