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New Ultra Street Fighter 4 Info
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Duxxy3
Member
Protect the russian skies, protect the russian soil!
Professor Beef
Banned
I like how people are immediately claiming grapplers will be OP while forgetting that there will be a damage reduction if the grappler choose to use both Ultras.
Without any substantial buffs to the characters themselves, Gief/Hawk/Hakan are gonna stay right where they are on everyone's tier lists.
Without any substantial buffs to the characters themselves, Gief/Hawk/Hakan are gonna stay right where they are on everyone's tier lists.
RockTurtle
Member
USF4.
ITS MARVEL BABY!
ITS MARVEL BABY!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This was secretly Ono's plan all along, forcing his hand and allowing us to get another year out of this game before SF5
based Ono
Makes the game fresh. I'm sure people were hyped for isms in sfa3. To be fair capcom has done an awesome job balancing sf4 so far with the exception of ae which was seemingly intentional anyways. Hopefully theyre able to keep it up.
Troubled Bat
Member
Oh my. This is going to be so damn interesting! I'm so excited for Ultra. The game has changed entirely. 
I can't wait to find out all the possible things.
I can't wait to find out all the possible things.
PhantomZone
Member
It's amazing how addictive the game still is even though it's a few years old now.
BadAss2961
Member
Wow... Red Focus can eat an entire dragon punch. This'll take some getting used to.
I hope its still true.
And I love it!!
MasterRain
Neo Member
I was hoping it was a focus out of block stun, but that would be an absolute bitch to balance.
The changes aren't as crazy as people are making out. Red focus could easily be the Pandora of this game. It costs two meters, and is beaten by armor breakers and throws. You are not only gambling two meters, but if they react by evading or breaking your focus they could do easily >50% damage. There is NO SCALING when taking that white damage.
Red focus is only really an escape method. Using it for offense is a massive gamble, for example punishing stuff like Cammy buffering cannon drill after cr.mk to beat your normal focus. Good players will react to the red, not take the bait, and you have to backdash and have just wasted two meters... Guess you then have the yomi of being able to using normal focus coz shes scared of the red one!
The changes aren't as crazy as people are making out. Red focus could easily be the Pandora of this game. It costs two meters, and is beaten by armor breakers and throws. You are not only gambling two meters, but if they react by evading or breaking your focus they could do easily >50% damage. There is NO SCALING when taking that white damage.
Red focus is only really an escape method. Using it for offense is a massive gamble, for example punishing stuff like Cammy buffering cannon drill after cr.mk to beat your normal focus. Good players will react to the red, not take the bait, and you have to backdash and have just wasted two meters... Guess you then have the yomi of being able to using normal focus coz shes scared of the red one!
StriKeVillain
Banned
This is a boringly sober post from you.
RockTurtle
Member
maybe red focus has to be committed to with the entire animation of a focus attack.
I.E. you start it and can't cancel it with a dash?
I.E. you start it and can't cancel it with a dash?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Do you even know who Aqua is? Man doesn't even know the input for ultra 1 and would never be able to comprehend it.
Will be interesting to see how things turn out. Red focuses don't sound too bad to me right now as they seem to be a way for characters with no defensive options to get up safely for the cost of a fadc dp.
I don't understand. I thought Capcom formed a new understanding that the strength of the SF franchise (or at least, its perceived strength) is its relative purity and simplicity. If anything - I was hoping Ultras would be removed (against hope, I know) and maybe the engine speed would increase slightly, or something. The game will have 40+ characters, it doesn't need any more mechanics muddying shit up.
Omnistalgic
Member
all characters are getting balanced...there even was a request fan request period where you posted your issues with your respective character taken into account...
It can be dash canceled
Makoto V. Gief will be... interesting. *cries*Oh god.
That being said, Makoto definitely got scarier from this as well. HEHEHEHE.
I wonder if it's possible to red focus an entire Ryu U1 and then U2 him while he's recovering. Oh man.
Indeed, My Bison Just got a bit better.
This would be cool indeed, but I'd like to hear more about it as it stands. FA is a great part of SFIV that keeps it different from III, and I welcome any changes/improvements to the system.
Professor Beef
Banned
$15 says that Gouken doesn't get a red parry.
Omnistalgic
Member
I hope it's an improvement, I really do...
Both Ultra just seems like it's taking away strategy and to appeal to casual players. Where's the reward for footsies and studying character tech?
I hope this new focus balances everything, got my skeptic shades on as of right now...
I don't think so, but the meta game will probably be a lot layered.
(._. )
Harken Raiser
Banned
I can't wait to learn the specifics of what red focus can do.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
richardhawk
Member
Gief just went a few notches on tier imo though I hope it's a more permanent placement like in vanilla and not some bullshit 3 months down the line where everyone learns how to deal with grapplers and suddenly they're mid to low again.
Obviously, double ultra is just an incredible adjustment to gief's game by itself. Even if the damage is lower it'll making his jumping game more dangerous. You'll be even able to do RED focus cancel dash ultra gimmicks. Oh god even as I'm typing this I can see it being deadly in the corner where you could straight unblockable them or even bait with backdash.
PLUS ex hand knocks down now? I can focus sagat s.rk and bison scissor kicks?
This is so good I must be dreaming.
Obviously, double ultra is just an incredible adjustment to gief's game by itself. Even if the damage is lower it'll making his jumping game more dangerous. You'll be even able to do RED focus cancel dash ultra gimmicks. Oh god even as I'm typing this I can see it being deadly in the corner where you could straight unblockable them or even bait with backdash.
PLUS ex hand knocks down now? I can focus sagat s.rk and bison scissor kicks?
This is so good I must be dreaming.
omnislayer
Member
Well, it'll at least make the game fresh again, but balancing this shit has to be a nightmare.
I share this sentiment.
pillowtalk
Member
Was there any more clues given lately as to who the new fifth character is?
Poetic.Injustice
Member
A rumor's been floating around that it's Gouken's daughter...Yeah..
direct_quote
Member
The only rumor that probably has more weight now is that its a female. Because I think it came from the person who leaked that we'd get both ultras and red focus..?
Whatever Yun's tier is now he will get knocked down a couple pegs because of grapplers have air and ground ultras both at their disposal ..
Seasoned Badger
Member
transience
Member
I wonder what the input is for red focus.
my first reaction was that it's a little late to be introducing brand new mechanics, but thinking about it more, this probably isn't as much of a gamechanger and it seems. I doubt many people will use two ultras except on a couple of characters, and red focus seems pretty situational. I think getting out of vortex-like stuff is probably its best use, or for scaring the crap out of people when they're cornered against a grappler. two meters is a lot.
we'll see. that's certainly interesting, and I trust combofiend.
my first reaction was that it's a little late to be introducing brand new mechanics, but thinking about it more, this probably isn't as much of a gamechanger and it seems. I doubt many people will use two ultras except on a couple of characters, and red focus seems pretty situational. I think getting out of vortex-like stuff is probably its best use, or for scaring the crap out of people when they're cornered against a grappler. two meters is a lot.
we'll see. that's certainly interesting, and I trust combofiend.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Do we know the new character yet?
dipswitches*
Professor Beef
Banned
Red Focus is probably a third button or something. Making it a motion would fuck up too many things for too many characters.
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