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New Ultra Street Fighter 4 Info
- Thread starter ponpo
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I don't know how this is gonna turn out, but it's a good time to be a Hakan player.
Seriously!?
Cammy's got some pretty hard nerfs to her fierce/roundhouse damage and stun.
DR2K
Banned
Her second ultra is useless. She has no unblockables anymore and does less stun damage. Tkcs should work.
Unblockable Fighter 4 becomes 50/50 Fighter 4 once again.
sixteen-bit
Member
American reset.
Also you can select two ultras with reduced damage?
Can we call this setup Wombo Combo ???
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
CrackPebbles
Member
oh man, stopped playing at super..gonna go in on this.
Septimus Prime
Member
I feel like Red Focus would be more useful if it acted like Red Parry, where you can only do it from block stun break out of someone's string. It should also be either really hard to do or cost meter.
These new mechanics are big enough to change the general flow we've become accustomed to. They may just not have to make V so soon if this proves popular.
Anyway, I hope they post balance changes for each character soon. I'm really interested in how they'll update the roster with these in mind.
Anyway, I hope they post balance changes for each character soon. I'm really interested in how they'll update the roster with these in mind.
Not-So-Solid Snake
Member
Red focus+Hakan=my god
For once im glad i use hakan a lot
For once im glad i use hakan a lot
Rickenslacker
Banned
Damage nerf or not some sets of ultras really should not be accessible at the same time. Red focus sounds... eh.
Considering the EH rumour article was spot on for these two mechanics, I'm gonna assume the unblockable fix is a button press to delay wakeup.
Considering the EH rumour article was spot on for these two mechanics, I'm gonna assume the unblockable fix is a button press to delay wakeup.
I think Aqua would never give in and use Ultra 1, even if he had the option. Always gotta protect the skies.
Why people scared of Gief when there's Hakan? I play Hakan and this new system mechanic has me quite happy but also scared.
Hakans ability to move while focusing was too good. Now with red focus and option to use both ultras in a match, I can see folks baiting people with the moving red focus to either jump to get U2 or take the hit to get U1 unless they quickly react with a focus breaking move. Too many new options setups going on my head.
Hakans ability to move while focusing was too good. Now with red focus and option to use both ultras in a match, I can see folks baiting people with the moving red focus to either jump to get U2 or take the hit to get U1 unless they quickly react with a focus breaking move. Too many new options setups going on my head.
sixteen-bit
Member
I like that idea better.
2 Ultras.
Zangief has anti-air and ground Ultras available
Aquasilk to wreck people online even more confirmed.
You do know that "rumour" originated from this site and not eventscrubs.
Omnistalgic
Member
seriously...i dunno how this is gonna play out. Can't say I'm initially convinced...
Well, let me just say I love SF, but this is the first thing that caught my attention as well. The problem with certain characters, was that there Ultra's sucked (read: not versatile) or didn't do nearly enough damage as others. (Ex. Ken's U1 vs. Ryu's U1) However, the core mechanics were solid, really solid. Footsies got more and more important after you figured out how to avoid most character's Ultra setups. I believe Ultra weren't really the strong point of a match either in high level play, but it was generally a moment of excitement since it generally isn't landed every single match but when an opponent catches you and causes big damage. This new system only seems to be enhancing Ultra's, which at first glance, seems to take away from there uniqueness and WOW factor.
Secondly, the vortex (Akuma's setups, Ibuki's kunai or not knowing which way to block Viper's burning kick) might be easier to handle with Red focus for players with less reaction time or time to study those characters in defending that stuff. IMO, that allows for a more balanced game, where the player is beating you versus his character beating you. I like this trade off quite a bit, and it also is enough to stop the 2 Ultra (besides damage) from being too offensive, it's a welcome addition.
Lastly, there's characters with really situational Ultra's. For example I play Chun completely different when she has U1, as she can go through FB or punish certain moves with long recovery, while Ultra 2 is more of a traditional combo setup. Giving her or characters like Gief both Ultras seem overkill. I mean as a shoto, how do you approach Gief knowing you can get grabbed from being too close or jumping away? Balancing this will be crazy tricky...
I'm all for Smash references.
SomeLurker
Member
I forgot about how deadly an oiled Hakan is. You're right.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Wondering if you can reversal Red Focus.
Akuma's vortex might be trash now that I think about it.
Demon flip palm is the only armor break, so that limits most of his guessing game from demonflip setups.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Fei Long is buffed heavily by double ultra and red focus. It's not as if you see his U1 much and his U2 is a damaging counter.
Rufus will gain little from red focus on account of his crap FA range and reliance on super meter. He also is almost certainly worse in double ultra mode as he loses the burst damage from U1 to gain an ultra that is of questionable quality, even in fireball matchups.
Seth is similar to Fei. Both his ultras are useful and it's not as if he is a burst damage character anyway.
Gen needs his ultras as damaging as possible and his U2 is crap. He also really likes super meter so red focus isn't much for him.
Zangief is only minorly buffed, as most sane Giefs are using U2 anyway and ultimately Gief's U1 is not critical to his game.
Fuerte probably will want to stick with U2.
TBH these are pretty sideshow features. A new mechanic for wakeup is what is needed.
Rufus will gain little from red focus on account of his crap FA range and reliance on super meter. He also is almost certainly worse in double ultra mode as he loses the burst damage from U1 to gain an ultra that is of questionable quality, even in fireball matchups.
Seth is similar to Fei. Both his ultras are useful and it's not as if he is a burst damage character anyway.
Gen needs his ultras as damaging as possible and his U2 is crap. He also really likes super meter so red focus isn't much for him.
Zangief is only minorly buffed, as most sane Giefs are using U2 anyway and ultimately Gief's U1 is not critical to his game.
Fuerte probably will want to stick with U2.
TBH these are pretty sideshow features. A new mechanic for wakeup is what is needed.
Luftwaffle
Neo Member
He has demon flip throw too.
Anyway I use Akuma and I think he will still be pretty good, a bit less scary with all these new features. Also he will still give Gief a terrible time even with double ultra.
However that double ultra is going to worsen some already tough matchups. (Yun-Gief).
Frostinferno
Member
Wasn't expecting new mechanics, now I'm really intrigued. Having both ultras gives me an interesting choice as Juri.
akachan ningen
Member
Where the hell is ultra mvc3?
From the video demo of the red focus, it looks like you can take 3 hits before dash cancelling out of it. Ryu dashed cancelled out after the third attack from Kens multihit attacks..
CountBlack
Member
This is definitely gonna bring a new spice to SF4.
Grapplers are going to be so scary
Grapplers are going to be so scary
I seriously hope these are DIMP-style switches like Third Strike OE had for messing about. I really can't see tournaments running this version if no-more-unblockables and stuff like that break the game like Yun did in 2012: AE before the console nerf.