Basically.
These people are born into the right wing bubble, and it's all they know. Critical thinking is a foreign concept to them, and when they are made to, they retreat into their bubble. I've seen it far too many times.
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New York Times: Trump Backers (the 45%) Like His First Draft of a New America
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Basically.
These people are born into the right wing bubble, and it's all they know. Critical thinking is a foreign concept to them, and when they are made to, they retreat into their bubble. I've seen it far too many times.
With Trump guaranteed to enact greater voter suppression to those that favour Democrats not to mention Russia likely giving him a hand in 2020 yet again plus the possibility of another Bernie type character to split the vote further, nah, if i were to bet, I'd stake it on Trump getting 8 years.
Perhaps I'm too pessimistic but I think this will be a war of attrition.
Frozenprince
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It's been a week.
Give it 6 months.
See how happy they are then that inflation hits and the next recession recovery is built on their backs, again.
Give it 6 months.
See how happy they are then that inflation hits and the next recession recovery is built on their backs, again.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Yep.
The nonsense about "5 million illegal votes" is definitely going to result in stricter voting laws.
Russia is ready and willing to keep this train going as long as possible.
Putin knows that if a Democrat ever takes office again, they'll sanction the fuck out of his country.
I'm not so sure about another Bernie-type, but there's already talk of a "Justice Democrat" movement, which is guaranteed to do more harm than good.
This all depends on if we even make it that far. In a little over a week, Trump teases the idea of massive worldwide tariffs, institutes a horrifying & disgraceful Muslim ban, then goes on to have phone sex with Putin.
Fucking Hell.
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Deleted member 17706
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It's really quite sad, but this appears to be the reality. They may not be the majority, but these people represent close to half of this nation's population. I really don't see how we can keep on like this. This is probably a gross generalization and I know this is far more nuance, but it looks like we have a more-or-less progressive and productive population being ruled by a regressive and fearful population that relatively does not have much output when it comes to the economy.
I fear there will be a breaking point at some point in the not so near future. It's infuriating to see people applaud hatred and racism and the reversal of progress that took generations to achieve.
I fear there will be a breaking point at some point in the not so near future. It's infuriating to see people applaud hatred and racism and the reversal of progress that took generations to achieve.
Currently seeing this on my Facebook.
Logic and civil discussions like we have here are imposible with these people.
Trump is turning them away from the economic crisis by doing Entertainment with xenophobia
They will find a way to blame Obama and the immigrants still.
Maximus.
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No no, just trying to make America great again.
SirClinksAlot
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Except most of them are just like Trump and completely unable to admit they are wrong.
gamerMan
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Stop fooling and lying to yourself. The Civil's Right movement didn't change anything except the laws. A significant portion of America believes in what this man is doing. Either that or they believe in one issue so strongly that they voted to put him in office, ignoring everything else he stands for. Some people don't even care that a man like this could come to power. That's even worse.These are no longer some fringe beliefs. They have become mainstream.
We knew what we were getting when he showed outright hate, bigotry, and sexism in his campaign. People still voted for him. The man himself is not as scary as the people who share his beliefs. They have just remained hidden and voiceless so long, biting their tongues whenever they see a person of color, woman, or someone different from themselves. Most of us live in an echo chamber.
The laws have been changed but the majority of people are the same as always. All we needed was fuel to start this fire so they could come out from behind the shadows. America needs to wake up to that reality and we need to pass laws so that this can't happen again. They needs to be extreme "vetting" of future Presidents.
And if this is true, what are they going to do now? Are they going to sit back and watch everything unfold or start to organize against this man they put in power?
Pretty much this, if thats how it plays out. At this point his doing things is aligned with what he got voted for under the pretense that those actions will be a benefit to our nation. If/when they backfire and people see the consequences in their bubble of reality...at that point Trump will start to have real fucking problems from the public/nation as a whole. Right now their is a line in the sand...That shit will be gone if peoples money/jobs/lifestyle experiences or expectations go south.
If by some chance enough of his policies help the nation (fuck the world position), than, were going to be stuck with him the full 8.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't know about fantasies but it's seemed completely unavoidable to me that while people are going to stay and fight this, because we love a good fight here in America, our best and brightest will, in time, start abandoning our borders.
People are going to start leaving by the end of this year.
wild wild rice
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NZ is where all the hedge fund managers plan to escape to when the shit hits the fan in the US.
FunkyPajamas
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You think they'll have the insight to understand that their vote lead them to that? Trump will point to another boogieman (China! Canada! Europe! They're so fancy over there with their French!) and his followers will eat it up.
Damn it, damn it all. Make sure you vote in 2018 people.
This whole thing has been a massive wakeup call for America.
Now you can see the true underbelly of your country laid bare, you can't turn your heads and ignore it anymore.
The one unintentionally good thing Trump did (and probably will ever do) is drag this ugliness out into the light. Now you can all see exactly what you are dealing with.
For too long America has been apathetic. Now you have to face the monster head on.
Now you can see the true underbelly of your country laid bare, you can't turn your heads and ignore it anymore.
The one unintentionally good thing Trump did (and probably will ever do) is drag this ugliness out into the light. Now you can all see exactly what you are dealing with.
For too long America has been apathetic. Now you have to face the monster head on.
teruterubozu
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oh we knew already. And wake up call for who? Those who voted for Trump? They're living the dream.
Frozenprince
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I know three co-workers who plan on leaving already.
I've put feelers out myself.
onadesertedisland
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We all knew half of the country held beliefs that were abhorrent but did not express because they would be social pariahs. Trump's election gave them the "courage" to express their true selves. Dicks.
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Deleted member 17706
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We just bought a house last year, but I'm already considering the notion. This week has just been too much to not start thinking of contingency plans.
My wife is a foreign national. Her country is one of America's staunchest allies, but it is also one that has been the target of Trump's trade tantrums. We moved back here during the Obama presidency and I planned to settle down for the long haul, but I'm not so sure at this moment.
I plan to fight for now at least, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to find encouragement.
teruterubozu
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Let me guess: Japan.
Air Zombie Meat
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And there was us thinking his supporters would turn on him when he didn't follow through on his promises.
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Deleted member 17706
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Yeah. Don't get me wrong, Japan most definitely has its own issues with right-wing rhetoric and policies and nationalism. This time last year I wouldn't have even considered making the move back, but this past week and what is surely to come has really changed my perspective.
VeryGooster
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Good luck repairing those bridges when we stop getting concrete and cement from Mexico
CrispyBoar
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Someone help me win the lottery or something so that I could get the fuck out of this country.
I want to get out of the USA before it goes full blown fascist and 1) we're considered radioactive by all other countries sans Russia or 2) we're no longer allowed to travel abroad. But my wife refuses to entertain the idea and wants to buy a house in Phoenix (a stronghold of republican shitheads) and stay & fight. I don't think she has the historical perspective to understand how bad it can get how quickly.
but muh economic anxiety
It's really not that unusual for presidents to pursue fulfilling their campaign promises quickly. It happens pretty often. Trump is just unleashing more executive orders at the beginning of his presidency than usual, which is why other presidents' efforts to fulfill their campaign pledges "stall for years" -- because they're pursuing actual legislation with lawmakers, which takes a hell of a lot more time. Whether those EOs end up sticking is a matter for the courts and Congress. Obama signed an EO to close Guantanamo Bay on his first day in office, and that ultimately didn't pan out (as happened to many other EOs down the line).
capitalCORN
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Let's not forget that Obama has preserved more jobs than Trump could ever muster:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidki...y-lap-over-auto-industry-rescue/#46c585d15497
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidki...y-lap-over-auto-industry-rescue/#46c585d15497
FinaruDensetsu
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America is a strange country. I feel like it is one of the only countries where the uneducated, backwards people in rural areas have such a strong opinion and such pull, despite having no facts or understanding of anything.
Coming from Asia the uneducated rarely determine where the country heads and instead just stay quiet (which is also not a great thing).
Coming from Asia the uneducated rarely determine where the country heads and instead just stay quiet (which is also not a great thing).
It's only 1 week but what you are saying is true. The base is in love right now. This reminds me of primaries: Liberals and this forum in outrage at everything he said and did, and meanwhile a significant portion of his base was loving every minute and solidifying. Trump is doing no wrong for those that voted. He is delivering on what he said with a speed unexpected by many
Everything people are suggesting, that he is worse than they expected, are all liberals that were already freaked out by his views
America is divided as fuck, that's the reality of the situation. These dumb ignorant fucks that are being catered to right now won't ever have to deal with any of this because it doesn't affect their rural white trash lives at all.
Unfortunately, the majority of the country that does have to deal with this shit is due for a rough four years. I guess that's the price to pay for living in a country where those seemingly forgotten rural Americans can vote and make their voices heard, no matter how ignorant that message/wants actually are.
Maybe that's what makes America so unique and is the real message behind true democracy. The will of the people.
And if those people are backwards, racist, stupid and increasingly hateful towards everyone that's not like them, then that's a reality and conversation that Americans need to handle and deal with themselves.
That's a battle that goes way beyond politics. Way beyond Trump. That's personal, neighbor to neighbor, culture against culture. Where is the country headed?
Unfortunately, the majority of the country that does have to deal with this shit is due for a rough four years. I guess that's the price to pay for living in a country where those seemingly forgotten rural Americans can vote and make their voices heard, no matter how ignorant that message/wants actually are.
Maybe that's what makes America so unique and is the real message behind true democracy. The will of the people.
And if those people are backwards, racist, stupid and increasingly hateful towards everyone that's not like them, then that's a reality and conversation that Americans need to handle and deal with themselves.
That's a battle that goes way beyond politics. Way beyond Trump. That's personal, neighbor to neighbor, culture against culture. Where is the country headed?
1.21Gigawatts
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This: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/...ve-order-illegal-immigration-norris-pen-obama
Is the kind of propaganda a majority of the country watches.
Even if the will suffer, they won't connect that to Trump.
He is the hero, he can't do wrong.
And just listen to the first sentences of the video... disdain for intellectualism. This will help them tremendously in deflecting any blame away from Trump.
Also, as long as there is someone telling them that Trump is great and other factors are at fault for bad things, people will never admit that they voted for the wrong guy.
TarpitCarnivore
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Not to stir that pot, but Democratic voters who "can't believe this happened" on election day. The amount of people on Twitter I saw decrying this and friends I heard say was shocking. Almost every single one of my friends never for once thought Trump could win.
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thepotatoman
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Where's the "No, they should be punished for invading a US ally" option?
hydragonwarrior
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YOu know the sad thing is that, out of all of the shit Trump is doing or about to do, guns is probably the one thing I'd concede on being not as bad out of a list where EVERYTHING is bad lol
USA went from the land of the free to a Russian sattelite which weaponised immigration in less than a fortnight. Still reckon this is a smokescreen to make us look the other way whilst the real damage is done elsewhere (Trump as Putin's mannekin).
History is happening now. How will we be seen when future generations look back on us?
History is happening now. How will we be seen when future generations look back on us?
It was always about that.
Fox Mulder
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No. I want our side to stand up and take this country back. Trump is doing what he ran on but millions stayed home and didn't vote.
America is better than this.
hydragonwarrior
Member
The issue is you get bullshit news places like Fox News coexist as a legitimate news source (and similar rightwing radio shit) and ALLOW them to spread like legitimate news sources in the name of Freedom of Speech.
Something has to be done THERE. However, that beast has grown huge enough to affect an entire election. You guys have to fight it with the equivalent grass-roots force and it'll HAVE to be tooth and nail because you guys are pretty fucking behind, especially since Dems are still not even sure who they want in 2020 yet.
Unfortunately you can't do away with hate speech nor misleading news because the next few decades will not allow it (Trump's SCOTUS pick will certainly not allow it). But if you can start convincing swing voters to start seeing what you're seeing and start looking past their right wing sources, it will do a world of good in moving towards 2018 and 2020.
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