I notice a trend, when it comes to far left politics in media.
It only succeeds when it's piggybacking on an already popular franchise. When something "Woke" is created from scratch, it usually bombs.
This tells you a lot.
Do you include remakes/remasters in this list? How would this look like if you removed those?So, I took the time to make a list of all protagonists in PS5 reveal games based on sex and race if and when possible.
Males 10 (4 white, 4 black, 1 Asian, 1 undefined)
Females 6 (they were all whitish, light skinned or in one case otherworldly)
Cars 2
Animals/monsters 4
A doll 1
Robots 1
Undefined 3
My take on this is that it’s not all doom and gloom and games that really go off the deep end like BFV can face tremendous backlash that will affect their sales and perhaps even more importantly image of the brand for the future. And keep in mind, many of these games are going to end up being indie shovelware like usual. I really don’t believe games with female protagonists sell as well as games with male protagonist for the simple fact that vast majority of AAA gamers are male. How did it work for Control, for example?
But anyway, these games are really secondary to new CoD, FIFA, Ass Creed and other major multiplats that will sell new hardware. This is always the case. Just look at what Modern Warfare is doing since launch sales wise. And those games will stay firmly in dudebro male category.
It's evident that's the opposite of what's actually happening.Let the developers make what they want
It's evident that's the opposite of what's actually happening.
It's evident that's the opposite of what's actually happening.
You wish they were asleep, because they make the world a nightmare for the rest of us.
Marxism is Great for a Designer, that view is the most twisted view someone can present, Marxism does not allow for freedom of thought, nor does it allow one to live of off their creations.
and that second point "Before Socialism must be Capitalism" that's the problem, socialism eats out the riches of capitalism, after a while you have no choice but to return to another system because you exhausted all the resources from when you were capitalist and prevented all the creative people to create new ones for too long. However you can argue that an artist who is not starving is not really an artist, and a lot of people starve in socialist regimes.
That's fierce, manI hope next God of War has Kratos in a wheelchair.
Who do you think is forcing developers to do things and what do you think they are forcing them to do?Do you include remakes/remasters in this list? How would this look like if you removed those?
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It's evident that's the opposite of what's actually happening.
It really isn't, though... But if you've got evidence that lots of devs are being forced to work shit they don't like, especially in an era where making games independently has never been easier, I'd be willing to look at it.
Do you include remakes/remasters in this list? How would this look like if you removed those?
Ah, the classic misrepresentation of this point.I still don't get the "keep politics out of mah vidya farms!" types when Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear Solid are considered some of the best games of all time.
Please explain why this was the case for 90%+ of western developed games before the likes of Sarkeesian and Quinn appeared.That's actually hilarious that you think that developers primarily want to make a games with white dudes as the main characters.
Well, there are those GDC pics in the OP for starters.It really isn't, though... But if you've got evidence that lots of devs are being forced to work on shit they don't like, especially in an era where making games independently has never been easier, I'd be willing to look at it.
Just buy the games you want (to support).
Sooner or later the gaming industry will learn.
yes, an exception, I meant in TV shows this has happened quite a few times.
it's not about sales, it's about how they can make your game look bad on social media. I assure you, noisy minorities don't play games; all they do is complain in twitter. Every gay person i've met (like 5, they are not that many at all) has shown little to no desire to play games
So wait, you are going place all gay people in a single box, simply because the 5 you have meant don't like video games? This is some funny shit right here. That's like saying, "I have known 5 blonde women and not a single one like baseball, so you know blonde women don't like baseball." Seriously, think harder.
I still don't get the "keep politics out of mah vidya gaems!" types when Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear Solid are considered some of the best games of all time.
Jesus Christ this thread.
Because that was before the big indie boom.Please explain why this was the case for 90%+ of western developed games before the likes of Sarkeesian and Quinn appeared.
Because that was before the big indie boom.
Prior to that you had to go through a big publisher who only wanted to make the most safest thing in existence.
this meant forcing their developers to make games primarily aimed at the biggest crowd, which happened to be white dudes.
Post indie boom, people are free to make whatever game they want featuring whatever kind of characters they want,
there's no singular big market anymore videogames are a mainsteam global thing now, and you never know what will blow up.
We live in the golden years of game development freedom.
publishers don't have any power because they have no idea what's gonna be popular,
indie game devs can make anything they want
kickstarter and patreon allow creators to find an audience for anything.
and you think developers are being "forced" to make whatever they want to make.
The irony is half the people here want to "force" gamedevs to make games with white dudes,
all because of their weird insecurity.
If it means so much for you that a game features a white dude main character,
then make a game yourself.
Problem is, this hasn't really been a thing.... It's a boogeyman.You made very good points, especially around greater indies freedom and the topics they want to explore, but as your budget rises and the risk grows, having say a big gaming news outlet lower your review score because they would like your character to be different in race and gender from what you have can be limiting and market bending (see Days Gone and the controversy around the main character, there are financial implications to reviewers of “big” groups trying to police your content in that way).
Problem is, this hasn't really been a thing.... It's a boogeyman.
Days Gone didn't get lower scores because it had a white dude,
If you legitimately think Decon being white lowered review scores in a world where uncharted, gow, rdr, keep getting goty awards.You are joking, aren’t you?
Two seconds Google Search:https://boundingintocomics.com/2019...-complain-about-days-gones-white-protagonist/
Also, please do not assume my views without reading my posts... please .
If you legitimately think Decon being white lowered review scores in a world where uncharted, gow, rdr, keep getting goty awards.
well, I don't know what to tell you.
Strong Men and Women create good times achually.
As long as it suits the atmosphere of the game they are making, they can have any type of protagonist they like. But most of the big AAA games are action based, with hand to hand combat and shooting. If they are in a realistic setting, having a 120lb woman beating a 250lb mercenary can be offputting. And the bald space marine trope was a thing because hair rendering wasn't there (it still isnt, as tress fx sadly didn't set the world on fire)
Take for example TLOU, which is maybe the game with the most realistic depictions of violence, hand to hand combat and shooting. I could not buy the idea that family man in his 50's (Joel) could beat so many people in hand to hand combat. And now in TLOU2 we have 120lb 5.6 Ellie beating loads and loads of mercenaries and shoving trained dogs off herself as if they were rabbits. Same with the latest Tomb Raider trilogy.
In Sci Fi or fantasy games it's all good because you can always justify it one way or another: Bionic enhancements, powers, magic you name it.
VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET.
Easy to say, but I'm curious how are you going about doing this? Can you cite specific examples?
My only worry is that when we all vote no to woke trash, there will be so much of it that the whole industry collapses.VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET.
Skipping TLOU2, MK whatever that #taliban version was, for instance, buying Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
We all know gay guys don't waste 30 minutes to get down to business .Why should it be different for gay people?
The irony is half the people here want to "force" gamedevs to make games with white dudes,
all because of their weird insecurity.
If it means so much for you that a game features a white dude main character,
then make a game yourself.
I notice a trend, when it comes to far left politics in media.
It only succeeds when it's piggybacking on an already popular franchise. When something "Woke" is created from scratch, it usually bombs.
This tells you a lot.
I played tons of games this generation and none of them were overly woke. I am sure there are some out there, but I can easily avoid them. There's more games out there to play then ever before. I think a lot of this stuff gets blown up to sound worse then it actually is here on GAF sometimes. I'm not worried at all about next gen.