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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Probably Monday as usual.
Barlow
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FukuDaruma
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Damn. Pretty disappointed with FH5's DLSS implementation.
Even DLAA looks worse than TAA.
Even DLAA looks worse than TAA.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
I made some comparisons between FM4 vs FM7 with some direct feed gameplay screenshots i found for FM4. Both games where the last releases on X360 and XBX1. I can't wait to do the same for FM8 vs FM7. I love seeing improvements like these and graphical advancements. I will do the same for GT if i can grab some more screenshots.
FukuDaruma
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FM4 is a lot more vivid.I made some comparisons between FM4 vs FM7 with some direct feed gameplay screenshots i found for FM4. Both games where the last releases on X360 and XBX1. I can't wait to do the same for FM8 vs FM7. I love seeing improvements like these and graphical advancements. I will do the same for GT if i can grab some more screenshots.
Cheezewizz
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Yeah it is. It does suggest that Turn 10 is at least moving the right way as far as lighting goes.
If you're looking for a wow factor though. Go take another look through those pics. Ignore the cars and stuff for a minute. Just take a look at the tracks and road surface. Itll make you do a double take, and not necessarily in a good way.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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Cant wait for the shitstorm when FM8 and GT7 start getting compared. This thread is gold.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Lots of photo mode shots I bet. I love GT7 but a looker it isn’t…
Hobbygaming
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GT7 is definitely a looker just ask Digital Foundry, it made their top 10 for best graphics of 2022
LostDonkey
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So did Fortnite.GT7 is definitely a looker just ask Digital Foundry, it made their top 10 for best graphics of 2022
Hobbygaming
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Fortnite is now using Lumen for real time GI
nemiroff
Gold Member
I think the point is that basically no amount of "Lumen" is going to make Fortnites aesthetics miles better. So DF isn't exactly a perfect barometer for that kind of angle. With that said, GT7 is holding its own in that specific context.
Hobbygaming
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I can see both sides of it. I can see someone not being impressed with Fornite's textures, aesthetics and art style but I can also understand why Digital Foundry included it. They chose it for its new lighting
drotahorror
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TDU Solar Crown
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Looks better than what they showed last time, hope they improve it a little more. That buggy shot reminded me to Crew 2 for some reason. I hope this game delivers, TDU was one of my favorite racing game. I put maybe 300h just cruising on the island looking for dealers to see different cars, which was in the time mind blowing.
drotahorror
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Their latest newsletter brings hope. Lack of gameplay shown does not.
Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown - Solar Club Letter #2 - Map & Exploration - Steam News
Exploring Hong Kong Island and much more!
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Looks good, but FH5 is still better imho.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
They probably have 1/10 budget of Forza Horizon 5 and 1/20 size team of PG. It looks decent for what it is, its a AA game.
drotahorror
Member
Graphically yeah. Should be pretty easy for TDU to be better as a game though.
Hell that 2nd picture I posted with the red truck? That tiny ass road on the side of a cliff looks more fun to drive on than the entirety of FH5.
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FukuDaruma
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Assetto Corsa - CSP - Shutoko Express Highway
drotahorror
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FukuDaruma
Member
Dire need of FH5's TAA and DLSS/DLAA...
Also, never understood this inconsistency in the level of detail between windshield corner and the interior details... it happens in every single car game.
Also, never understood this inconsistency in the level of detail between windshield corner and the interior details... it happens in every single car game.
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Bunta_Fujiwara
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The dynamic time of day and weather combined with the amazing lighting system of th game are staggering
TrebleShot
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Is Forza going for more of a cartoon style?
nemiroff
Gold Member
No, but that's clearly your domain.
Agent Ironside
Member
Don't like the way lighting interacts with the car in the new Forza Motorsports, almost makes it look like it's not part of the environment. GT7 does it better in that clip above. Other than that, the improvements to the environments are nice.
Nemesisuuu
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That's also what bothers me, cars just don't seem to blend with environment. It's like they counted on some ray tracing during development that would better 'plant' cars but at some point they realised it won't work well on console and removed it. There's something off.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
This game has one of the best non RT lighting ever, they always nail this like no other.
They used RT lighting back on GT Sport. An in-house raytracing system called IRIS but it was precomputed. They showed realtime raytraced at SIGGRAPH but I believe they have just improved IRIS with precomputed raytraced lighting that matches the weather/TOD changes in GT7. So technically it's raytraced lighting for the track but the dynamic parts like GI from light bouncing off car positions aren't there.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yeah i remember that, it was one of the reason there was no dynamic tod in GTS.
In Cold Blood
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Traditionally GT has the more accurate car paint shaders. It will be interesting to see how Turn 10 do this time around, and I'm really hanging to see the Forza MS vs GT comparisons.
I'm also interested to see the difference in tech being used on the two. Will Ray Tracing make alot of difference over GTs cube maps for example.
From what we have been led to understand, the new Forzatech engine is taking advantage of all the XSX and DX12U features like Sampler Feedback Streaming, Mesh Shaders and XVA.
For them to have full 4k/60 AND in game ray Tracing, when neither Forza Horizon 5 and GT7 were capable of doing that, seems to indicate that it is in a different league engine wise.
I'm also interested to see the difference in tech being used on the two. Will Ray Tracing make alot of difference over GTs cube maps for example.
From what we have been led to understand, the new Forzatech engine is taking advantage of all the XSX and DX12U features like Sampler Feedback Streaming, Mesh Shaders and XVA.
For them to have full 4k/60 AND in game ray Tracing, when neither Forza Horizon 5 and GT7 were capable of doing that, seems to indicate that it is in a different league engine wise.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Forza Motorsport is disappointing af.
Wasnt this supposed to be the GT7 killer? Theyll have the benefit of next gen only and almost 2 years time. The only thing this killed my excitement.
It's looking on the same level ad GT7 now. Once again Microsoft first party just does not know how to be honest in their early reveals > how the game will actually look on console.
When they originally showed it, it was at an Xbox showcase. They implication was it was going heavy on RT and was going to be a stunning Next Gen game. Fast forward to now it doesn't look better than gt7 and we have "ray tracing on track" still. Actually, this didn't mention RT in that gameplay demo did they, just "4k/60/dynamic tod". I wouldn't put it past them to only have RT in replays.
Even if I'm wrong about RT and it's in the game I'm still underwhelmed
Wasnt this supposed to be the GT7 killer? Theyll have the benefit of next gen only and almost 2 years time. The only thing this killed my excitement.
It's looking on the same level ad GT7 now. Once again Microsoft first party just does not know how to be honest in their early reveals > how the game will actually look on console.
When they originally showed it, it was at an Xbox showcase. They implication was it was going heavy on RT and was going to be a stunning Next Gen game. Fast forward to now it doesn't look better than gt7 and we have "ray tracing on track" still. Actually, this didn't mention RT in that gameplay demo did they, just "4k/60/dynamic tod". I wouldn't put it past them to only have RT in replays.
Even if I'm wrong about RT and it's in the game I'm still underwhelmed
AeonGaidenRaiden
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Oh man that song brings memories. I believe it was in the Wangan Midnight Maximum games.
It takes up to much polygons if you make the corners round. That’s is probably it, and they need the polygon budget for other things . Cutting cornersDire need of FH5's TAA and DLSS/DLAA...
Also, never understood this inconsistency in the level of detail between windshield corner and the interior details... it happens in every single car game.
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FukuDaruma
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It's not 'the' corners. It's ONE (or two) corner. If you look at that interior, literally *everything* else is perfectly round. Every single little detail, including pieces that are *a lot* smaller. Then that corner, that occupies a big portion of the screen, looks like the LOD of a game from 10-15 years ago...It takes up to much polygons if you make the corners round. That’s is probably it, and they need the polygon budget for other things . Cutting corners
It's a good looker but hamstrung being a cross gen game. It uses a lot of PS4 assets from Sport. You'd hope FM8 should beat it as a purely current gen title.
I love GT7, it's my favourite game on PS5, and I love the series. GT7 was a leap ahead of previous titles in many ways and it's always a unique feeling game presentation wise. But compared to the competition the series has been stagnating a long time.
FukuDaruma
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Bry0
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Come on, the game looks nothing like that without mods.
FukuDaruma
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Senua
Member
I'm really impressed by The Crews cockpit view animations, the hands and the motion shake are really immersive and convincing. A shame about the fake mirrors though, a damn shame!
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yup the animations are really nice and make Forza Horizon 5 interior animation look like a joke. Also im impressed by the CM sounds, they have improved it alot compared to C2.
Senua
Member
Yup!
Also GT7 sounds are great in cockpit view but sound muffled on external, there is not enough exhaust rasp.