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[OriginofHysteria]

Haha, that idiot should really shut up. He's not doing himself any favours with such comments. What's next, complaining that he's 0-3 because of refs? Fuck off, Brees. Spend more time with your receivers than on your fucking phone.

I think Brees represents the NFLPA so I'd say his vocals are necessary.

 

[squicken]

As it was, the pass was a mini-miracle, given that Wilson, Y! Sports has learned, called the wrong play in the huddle before lining up for the fourth-and-10 attempt with eight seconds remaining.

Instead of sending three receivers to the left corner of the end zone where Tate and Jennings ultimately fought for the ball, Wilson mistakenly called a "Waggle" play which called for him to roll right while several receivers ran underneath routes. Some Seahawks ran the play Wilson called, while others ran the one he was supposed to have called. Whatever – after he rolled right, drifted back to his left and planted at the 39-yard line before unleashing his high pass to the end zone, it all worked out in the end.

from the silver piece earlier

 

[yankeehater]

So it seems the big holdup between the owners and the real refs is the fact that several owners are opposed to pensions. Why cant they figure out the value of the pension and just give that to the real refs in a bump in salary? They have to get this settled now.

 

[Wrayfield]

At least place the blame properly, dude.

Whuh?

 

[Nameless]

https://twitter.com/drewbrees

Drew Brees ‏@drewbrees
Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?

Brees is turning into Season 3 Chief Tyrol on Battlestar Galactica. amazing.

 

[teruterubozu]

"Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now Rog? WHOSE?!"



:jnc

Brees is one bitter dude this year.

 

[Wrayfield]

I think Brees represents the NFLPA so I'd say his vocals are necessary.

Then let him represent it by tweeting even more snarky remarks, sure. Sooo important to helping the process.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

That's pretty much all I have been talking about.

But dat Seattle defensive is legit. It seems like GB has played nothing but top 10 defenses on short rest so far.

 

[eznark]

Whuh?

This is an issue between the owners and the refs union. Goodell has been mostly hands off. It was considered a big deal that he supposedly participated in negotiations yesterday.

 

[Narag]

Brees is one bitter dude this year.

Can you blame him? He's been exposed as mediocre without Sean Payton around to remind him which color jersey to throw at.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Then let him represent it by tweeting even more snarky remarks, sure. Sooo important to helping the process.

Well I think the concerns with him and all the players now realize that these calls could very well happen to them and could ultimately cost them a playoff spot. But if we are going by that standard then Brees shouldn't be concerned cause his team is 0-3.

Also he probably isn't too happy that he has to play the Packers next.

 

[gutshot]

So it seems the big holdup between the owners and the real refs is the fact that several owners are opposed to pensions. Why cant they figure out the value of the pension and just give that to the real refs in a bump in salary? They have to get this settled now.

I think that is what the NFL offered, a higher salary but less pension, and the refs wouldn't accept it.

 

[Wrayfield]

This is an issue between the owners and the refs union. Goodell has been mostly hands off. It was considered a big deal that he supposedly participated in negotiations yesterday.

Ah, ok. He is working for them though so...

 

[squicken]

So it seems the big holdup between the owners and the real refs is the fact that several owners are opposed to pensions. Why cant they figure out the value of the pension and just give that to the real refs in a bump in salary? They have to get this settled now.

It's sort of a line in the sand/ideological thing. The refs don't want the dollar value, they want the pension. They also object to the NFL's desire to have have bench crews on standby to replace poorly performing refs. The union says that the refs' "professionalism" compels them to not make errors, and the threat of removal is unnecessary.

 

[yankeehater]

I think that is what the NFL offered, a higher salary but less pension, and the refs wouldn't accept it.

Fuck I thought I was on to something.

 

[eznark]

Ah, ok. He is working for them though so...

Go tell your boss that he has to pay all the janitors more.

Report back on the results.

I think that is what the NFL offered, a higher salary but less pension, and the refs wouldn't accept it.

This morning someone on ESPNR said that the deal was all but done yesterday and then the refs demanded a signing bonus that would pay them for the three weeks they missed.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Seattle has beaten GB and Dallas at home.

New England goes there in week 6.I aint scared.

 

[Wrayfield]

Well I think the concerns with him and all the players now realize that these calls could very well happen to them and could ultimately cost them a playoff spot. But if we are going by that standard then Brees shouldn't be concerned cause his team is 0-3.

Also he probably isn't too happy that he has to play the Packers next.

I get what you mean, just wish he would contribute with the other team representatives instead of tweeting bitter stuff. Get them all together, try to create some sort of momentum as hard as it might be, make a suggestions, be involved if you can, but stop complaining.

 

[eznark]

It's sort of a line in the sand/ideological thing. The refs don't want the dollar value, they want the pension. They also object to the NFL's desire to have have bench crews on standby to replace poorly performing refs. The union says that the refs' "professionalism" compels them to not make errors, and the threat of removal is unnecessary.

I'm still convinced this is the real sticking point.

 

[yankeehater]

Seattle has beaten GB and Dallas at home.

New England goes there in week 6.I aint scared.

You should be. I believe they have the best home record over the last 5 years. There is something to them winning at home.

This morning someone on ESPNR said that the deal was all but done yesterday and then the refs demanded a signing bonus that would pay them for the three weeks they missed.

So stupid if that is true. No way should they be paid for games they didnt work.

 

[Bowser]

UPDATE ON BMARSH / SAPP FEUD

Brandon Marshall @BMarshall
So @warrensapp just emailed where and when. I assume he wants to fight. Exactly what I’m talking about. #comeonmannn

https://twitter.com/BMarshall/statuses/250298193932345346

 

[Wrayfield]

Go tell your boss that he has to pay all the janitors more.

Report back on the results.



This morning someone on ESPNR said that the deal was all but done yesterday and then the refs demanded a signing bonus that would pay them for the three weeks they missed.

Now that's not nice, they are all professionals, man.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

You should be. I believe they have the best home record over the last 5 years. There is something to them winning at home.

Didnt they beat the Eagles up there too?

I might be scared.

 

[Narag]

Seattle has beaten GB and Dallas at home.

New England goes there in week 6.I aint scared.

You should be. A win would adversely affect your draft position.

 

[yankeehater]

Didnt they beat the Eagles up there too?

I might be scared.

Yes they did. I believe afterwards the players said it was the loudest stadium they played in all year, and they played in a dome earlier in the year.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Does anyone know what time today's NFL press conference about last night's game starts?

The only thing that could possibly cap off this hilarity is if they give the win to the Packers.

 

[BakedPigeon]

Seattle has beaten GB and Dallas at home.

New England goes there in week 6.I aint scared.

You act like GB and Dallas are a good measuring stick......

 

[Alligatorjandro]

You should be. A win would adversely affect your draft position.

They could get a nice player at 32.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Go niners biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!!

Also great OP!

 

[Gucci Messiah]

UPDATE ON BMARSH / SAPP FEUD



https://twitter.com/BMarshall/statuses/250298193932345346

lol

 

[Spectral Glider]

"Saints will appeal losses."

Ha ha, nice.

 

[squicken]

I'm still convinced this is the real sticking point.

I wouldn't discount the pension thing, but I think the refs know the public won't side with them on the removal thing, so they use their media friends to downplay it. The union has also offered to make all new refs go in under defined contribution, but all current refs keep the pension.

I think people assuming the NFL gives are a little wishful. The refs don't create revenue directly, and clearly needed some sort of remedial mechanism in place for how bad they have become. But replacing them with even worse refs wasn't the brightest of ideas. I still think the NFL just needs more people in the booth with two way radios to help with every call, but after last night, I'm not sure how many employees of the NFL actually know the rules of the game

 

[Nightz]

Nice OP.

 

[Narag]

They could get a nice player at 32.

Not sure any super bowl champ would have enough second/third round picks to convince Belichick to give up the first overall though I'm sure he'd be sorely tempted.

 

[Levyne]

God. I can live with the Packers winning the division if the Lions continue to underwhelm...but if I have to deal with Godawful, stupid ignorant Bears fans, breathing sausage breath about how great Jay Cutler is and the defense being like the 85 team, I'm going to spaz. They're already ignoring their beat down against GB and saying wins vs Indy and STL make them best in division. Ugh.

Need to move away from Chicago, haha.

I feel the same.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Not sure any super bowl champ would have enough second/third round picks to convince Belichick to give up the first overall though I'm sure he'd be sorely tempted.

I will not take insults from someone who cant beat Blaine Gabbert.

 

[yankeehater]

I wouldn't discount the pension thing, but I think the refs know the public won't side with them on the removal thing, so they use their media friends to downplay it. The union has also offered to make all new refs go in under defined contribution, but all current refs keep the pension.

I think people assuming the NFL gives are a little wishful. The refs don't create revenue directly, and clearly needed some sort of remedial mechanism in place for how bad they have become. But replacing them with even worse refs wasn't the brightest of ideas. I still think the NFL just needs more people in the booth with two way radios to help with every call, but after last night, I'm not sure how many employees of the NFL actually know the rules of the game

This really is a problem. I was thinking they could have someone in the league office who they call like the NHL does, but what are the odds that anyone actually knows the rules. We have seen the scabs totally not know simple rules so far, and the NFL has some really archaic rules that even the real refs dont know. I am not sure how they can ever make sure stuff like last night never happens again.

 

[bionic77]

Was this posted in the previous thread? I lolled.

:lol

 

[eznark]

I wouldn't discount the pension thing, but I think the refs know the public won't side with them on the removal thing, so they use their media friends to downplay it. The union has also offered to make all new refs go in under defined contribution, but all current refs keep the pension.

I think people assuming the NFL gives are a little wishful. The refs don't create revenue directly, and clearly needed some sort of remedial mechanism in place for how bad they have become. But replacing them with even worse refs wasn't the brightest of ideas. I still think the NFL just needs more people in the booth with two way radios to help with every call, but after last night, I'm not sure how many employees of the NFL actually know the rules of the game

That's the thing. Think of all the times over the past few years where Mike Periera, a guy who was in charge of officials, said the refs were wrong. Happened a few times a week. I don't think anyone involved in the NFL has any fucking clue what the actual rules are.

The best thing about the old refs is that while they fucked up all the time, they had been doing it long enough that they were able to fool us into thinking they didn't and they did it incredibly fast and without hesitation.

The little stuff that the replacements are getting ripped on for happens all the time (wrong number announced, pointing the wrong way, bad spots...oh lord the bad spots!) happened week in and week out previously, but guys like Hochuli just sold us on them knowing what they were doing.

 

[Seda]

God. I can live with the Packers winning the division if the Lions continue to underwhelm...but if I have to deal with Godawful, stupid ignorant Bears fans, breathing sausage breath about how great Jay Cutler is and the defense being like the 85 team, I'm going to spaz. They're already ignoring their beat down against GB and saying wins vs Indy and STL make them best in division. Ugh.

Need to move away from Chicago, haha.

I am so glad I don't live in Chicago.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Who dat?! WHO DAT?!!

Saints get first win of the year this week. They're used to playing in ankle deep salt water.

I love you.

Also, I don't know how Bucket, but you keep outdoing yourself. Amazing.

 

[Nori Chan]

It's going down in arrowhead

We gonna shut down JC after his ego boost on the shitty saints D

 

[Narag]

I will not take insults from someone who cant beat Blaine Gabbert.

Pats will have a shot come week 16 although Gabbert might be resting for the playoffs by then. It'll be a hollow sort of victory.

 

[Heysoos]

 

[gutshot]

Going through Simmons' mailbag. Some good ones in here...

If this ending doesn't lead to the real officials being brought back, Gary Bettman could travel the country and physically shit on every NHL fan and still not look as terrible as Goodell. Ew.

I am in shock right now. Without a doubt the sickest bad beat in my gambling career which is saying a lot. All I know is that Ref #28 is the one who made the bogus phantom Pass Interference call on Sam Shields on Seattle's second to last drive for 32 yard. He is also the one who failed to see Golden Tate's blatant shove in the back on the final play, and of course he is the one who called the touchdown. It is absolutely impossible for me to stop wondering if that guy was in some way not financially compensated or bribed to affect this game for the Seahawks. I am begging you as a prominent media figure to please bring up this particular individual, Ref #28 somehow on your site and possibly raise some groundswell for an official investigation. This is the biggest injustice possibly in the recent history of sports and sports gambling and it would be a travesty if this guy gets away with it. Please at least mention this in passing somehow in some format somewhere on Grantland. What an absolute joke, again I am in complete shock right now …

The NFL is a joke, so let's make it funnier. I would like to propose the Black Flag. The Black Flag can be thrown by a coach when they think the refs have made a bad call. The offending ref is then placed against the uprights and a player of the offended team gets to throw a ball at them. It won't make up for the bad call, but it would be damn fun to watch and make you feel better.

 

[eznark]

I hate to bring actual football talk into this thread but man, BJ Raji showed up last night. He played really well.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Pats will have a shot come week 16 although Gabbert might be resting for the playoffs by then. It'll be a hollow sort of victory.

I might go to that game.

 

[Spectral Glider]

That's the thing. Think of all the times over the past few years where Mike Periera, a guy who was in charge of officials, said the refs were wrong. Happened a few times a week. I don't think anyone involved in the NFL has any fucking clue what the actual rules are.

The best thing about the old refs is that while they fucked up all the time, they had been doing it long enough that they were able to fool us into thinking they didn't and they did it incredibly fast and without hesitation.

The little stuff that the replacements are getting ripped on for happens all the time (wrong number announced, pointing the wrong way, bad spots...oh lord the bad spots!) happened week in and week out previously, but guys like Hochuli just sold us on them knowing what they were doing.

And they have a replay system that kind of blows.

 

[eznark]

************************BREAKING NEWS**************


THE NFL WILL HAVE IT'S WEEKLY TUESDAY PRESS CONFERENCE AS PER USUAL


***********************BREAKING NEWS*****************

 

[Narag]

I might go to that game.

You should. I would if I was in your position.