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Ninja Gaiden II: The Official GAF Thread of Chaos
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Agent Icebeezy
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TheRagnCajun said:
The camera isn't flawed.
"God's Beard!"
Member
news to me.DC R1D3R said:
Varanini said:
Varanini said:
Varanini said:
all I need to know.
Just a note: I don't think it's fair to lump the original Ninja Gaiden (NES) in with the rest as having a "bad story." If I remember, that game was one of the first to have an actual story, with cutscenes, characters that spoke at length, etc.
It's really one of the precursors to the cinematic story telling techniques used by most games today.
It's really one of the precursors to the cinematic story telling techniques used by most games today.
Please.duckroll said:
Bad.
I don't know how old you are, but if you were NES age, like 7 or 8 or whatever during the NES heyday, you know, I mean you KNOW, that the NG story was not bad. It was bad ass. Was there any cooler opening sequence than those fucking ninjas having a jump duel in the middle of the night? When they both land and stand there for a second and then the one drops. And then you see Ryu's face and the shadows are highlighting it in an ominous fashion and the text is all like... REVENGE.
That was the epitome of game storytelling at the time. No doubt. Respect.
HondaF1Fanatic
Neo Member
Brandon F said:
It was actually on hard, I didn't own a PS3 then so I borrowed my friend's to see if I wanted one (at that point I had just had two RRoDs and was deciding whether or not to take the jump into a PS3 or keep testing my luck with a 360). He had already beaten it so I just picked hard for shits and giggles. I died a TON but it was still fun and manageable.
God's Beard said:
That line got me too :]
So it seems as though the reviewers are split into two groups. NOVICE and HARDCORE.
When I go to a martial arts class, I don't require a novice of that same martial art to tell me shit.
I feel exactly the same way towards a Ninja Gaiden review.
Duck said:
I know. We've been over this before a few pages ago.
DC R1D3R said:
That's why I kind of trust the IGN review. Sure it's still a laundry list generic game review (like all theirs), but watching the video review it's obvious they know how to play the game. There was a line in the video review that sums it up nicely.
"It's a refreshing kind of action game, the likes of which you don't really see these days."
grap3fruitman
Banned
So the demo's up according to someone on the IGN boards but it's not showing up for me.
Monocle
Member
You make some very good points. I have to say your evaluation of the NG series' critical reception seems reasonable; critics' usual inexperience with deep, skill-based games and their obligation to write for a casual audience are important factors in determining the worth of their impressions on a title such as NG2. For these very reasons I find myself having to read between the lines of most reviews for action and fighting games. Interestingly enough, though, your list of critics' most common complaints about the first NG isn't that far off:Mamesj said:
- The game is notorious for its high difficulty. (Of course, gamers like you and I take this to be a good thing.)
- The camera leaves something to be desired.
- The less said about the story, the better.
- As engaging as the action is, it can be very repetitive. (This is, in fact, my biggest issue with the original game.)
- The environments could be a bit more inspired. (They're excellent for the most part, so I don't really count this against the game.)
- The platforming is atrocious.
Collectively, the reviews managed to paint a surprisingly accurate picture of NG1. This is part of the reason I don't think it's the best idea to completely ignore them this time around. Some of the observations made in reviews of NG2 about inconsistent difficulty and framerate issues would be hard for even a novice gamer to get wrong.
True, and it's the same for every major action or fighting game release. Still, speaking only for myself, balance changes and new subtleties of the combat system aren't nearly as important as the game's technical performance for the time being. As worrying as the reviews are, I'm leaving the last word to players like you. Next week, if the majority of reports suggest NG2 is at least as technically sound as its predecessor, I'll pick it up right away. Otherwise I'll probably wait for a sale or, fingers crossed, Black-style special edition.
Edit:
It's probably a lie. I check both the NA and JP Marketplaces and couldn't find it.grap3fruitman said:
pizzaguysrevenge
Banned
Has GAF sunken to the "The only reason you don't like it is because you're not good at it" defense?
For shame.
For shame.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I agree with Draft on the NG1&2 stories. They were great for thier time.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Ninja99 said:
The only thing I saw on new arrivals was nascar.
God damn.
Set the demo free.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
pizzaguysrevenge said:
When Ninja gaiden 1 came out a reviewer went on and on about how difficult (and bad) the game was, Every sing image he took from his time showed Ryu in his ninja dog uniform.
Most reviews are fucking mass market sheep.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Oldschoolgamer said:The only thing I saw on new arrivals was nascar.
God damn.
Set the demo free.
NASCAR is up? Cool beans. If they fixed the fucked up control from last year, I'll buy it.
Agent Icebeezy
Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
PhatSaqs said:
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=xbox&game=ninjagaiden
Che: Those are badass!
chespace said:The Forza community says hello to Ninja Gaiden II. :lol
I really wish there were some speed videos of people building these Forza paintjobs. It would be so awesome to watch it go from scratch to finish in hyperspeed. Amazing stuff.
Hurr1cane Ryu
Member
This is a small guide I hope will help new comers learn and whiny reviewers understand the basics of Ninja Gaiden combat. This is not for advanced NG fans, but basically to help people get used to the core of what makes NG fun and awesome.
Before we start let me describe a small FPS game "Halo". Part of what makes Halo combat fun is it's basis on key elements: Shooting - Grenades -Melee - Pointing the gun towards the enemy and shooting( Yes you have to point the camera towards the enemy you want to shoot. Mind blowing isn't it?).
Just like any action game NG basics include : Blocking - Dodge/Roll - Attack - Ultimate Techniques - Keeping enemies in your line of sight or knowing where they are.
Blocking - I cant stress this enough. The minute you are put into combat hold down the left trigger and watch your enemy patterns. Block effectively, attack when there is a opening and make the best use of it. This system begins to change when you move onto the later levels and get new techniques such as counter attacks.
Dodging - Blocking does not always mean you are safe from enemy attacks. In later stages enemies are going to break your guard and put you down. When you have a lot of enemies attacking you, roll away and position yourself for an attack.
Attack - Well this is the no brainer. Before you begin using any weapon try to learn some of the combos, eventually you will be able to pull of the tougher moves. Ninja Gaiden combos are not tough to execute, its all in timing and the situation you are in. Using the previous techniques effectively will always give you a chance to deliver devastating blows to your enemies. I think everyone know how that ends. Obliteration!
Counter attacks is another way you can finish enemies. While blocking, watch when the enemy attack connects your blade and press X or Y to do a reversal and chop that suckers arm/leg/head off ( Wow, so many options to choose and people still whine ).
Using the above three techniques will definitely make you a good player and open you to perfect some of the advanced techniques.
Well the story doesn't end there. If you master the game using the above three, ultimate techniques will finish the rest of the enemy group.
Ultimate techniques: Try your best to make quick work of the initial 2-3 enemies. Then use UT's on the remainder. Having said that don't just hold down the "Y" button when you see an enemy jumping towards you or circling around you. Use ultimate techniques whenever necessary. But use them effectively. Another thing that you have to notice is, as long as your blocking you will never absorb the essence around you. This is the best way to hold onto the floating essence and use UT whenever you see fit.
Camera: Using the camera in Ninja Gaiden is not a skill or technique, it is your responsibility to make it right when it strays away and doesn't suit your point of view. I have seen numerous videos so far and I have to say lot of them seem to use the right thumb stick to position the camera or put themselves in awkward positions and angles by using the same move over and over again.
This is what I have to suggest.
KEEP YOUR THUMB AWAY FROM THE RIGHT THUMBSTICK. NO MATTER THE SCENARIO DONT USE the Free form camera.
Now that we have it out of our way. The right trigger/Camera snap-on is your friend at all times. Initially getting used to the camera is tough, even i find myself in tough situations sometimes. To counter that you have to be good at the first three techniques. Roll away until you are in a perfect position and snap the camera.
Ninja Gaiden is a tough game there is no denying that fact, spending some time learning the basics will definitely reap benefits. This is one game that makes you feel like a super ninja and a badass superhero both at the same time.
For all you whiny reviewers complaining, you can all go _____ (use your imagination and fill in the blank).
Before we start let me describe a small FPS game "Halo". Part of what makes Halo combat fun is it's basis on key elements: Shooting - Grenades -Melee - Pointing the gun towards the enemy and shooting( Yes you have to point the camera towards the enemy you want to shoot. Mind blowing isn't it?).
Just like any action game NG basics include : Blocking - Dodge/Roll - Attack - Ultimate Techniques - Keeping enemies in your line of sight or knowing where they are.
Blocking - I cant stress this enough. The minute you are put into combat hold down the left trigger and watch your enemy patterns. Block effectively, attack when there is a opening and make the best use of it. This system begins to change when you move onto the later levels and get new techniques such as counter attacks.
Dodging - Blocking does not always mean you are safe from enemy attacks. In later stages enemies are going to break your guard and put you down. When you have a lot of enemies attacking you, roll away and position yourself for an attack.
Attack - Well this is the no brainer. Before you begin using any weapon try to learn some of the combos, eventually you will be able to pull of the tougher moves. Ninja Gaiden combos are not tough to execute, its all in timing and the situation you are in. Using the previous techniques effectively will always give you a chance to deliver devastating blows to your enemies. I think everyone know how that ends. Obliteration!
Counter attacks is another way you can finish enemies. While blocking, watch when the enemy attack connects your blade and press X or Y to do a reversal and chop that suckers arm/leg/head off ( Wow, so many options to choose and people still whine ).
Using the above three techniques will definitely make you a good player and open you to perfect some of the advanced techniques.
Well the story doesn't end there. If you master the game using the above three, ultimate techniques will finish the rest of the enemy group.
Ultimate techniques: Try your best to make quick work of the initial 2-3 enemies. Then use UT's on the remainder. Having said that don't just hold down the "Y" button when you see an enemy jumping towards you or circling around you. Use ultimate techniques whenever necessary. But use them effectively. Another thing that you have to notice is, as long as your blocking you will never absorb the essence around you. This is the best way to hold onto the floating essence and use UT whenever you see fit.
Camera: Using the camera in Ninja Gaiden is not a skill or technique, it is your responsibility to make it right when it strays away and doesn't suit your point of view. I have seen numerous videos so far and I have to say lot of them seem to use the right thumb stick to position the camera or put themselves in awkward positions and angles by using the same move over and over again.
This is what I have to suggest.
KEEP YOUR THUMB AWAY FROM THE RIGHT THUMBSTICK. NO MATTER THE SCENARIO DONT USE the Free form camera.
Now that we have it out of our way. The right trigger/Camera snap-on is your friend at all times. Initially getting used to the camera is tough, even i find myself in tough situations sometimes. To counter that you have to be good at the first three techniques. Roll away until you are in a perfect position and snap the camera.
Ninja Gaiden is a tough game there is no denying that fact, spending some time learning the basics will definitely reap benefits. This is one game that makes you feel like a super ninja and a badass superhero both at the same time.
For all you whiny reviewers complaining, you can all go _____ (use your imagination and fill in the blank).
Mr. Durden
Banned
Yeah it's awesome storytelling, but doesn't mean the story itself is good, only the way it's presented (like with God of War).Draft said:
Still, people bitching about needing a good story in Ninja Gaiden..... since when are there games in the genre with an actual good story.
Mr. Durden
Banned
Ok ok :lolDraft said:
TheRagnCajun
Member
Shakespeare only wishes he could write a ninja story that good...