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Nintendo hits a Metroid fansite with a DMCA Takedown notice, file no longer hosted
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LordRaptor
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But you seem to be under the misapprehension that there aren't any Mario fangames floating around out there....?
RPGCrazied
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I told you. Selling it or not, its still Nintendo's IP. But yeah, they waited a little to long for this one. Its out there, and I have it!
Alright, fair enough. You guys shut me down hard.
I really don't get why everybody is talking like the site is down and the game was removed. The person who said the they received a takedown notice wasn't even the main site for game, but a metroid fansite.
Guy who made game tweeted he never received anything.
Game is still up
You can still download
Why so much misinformation, I'm so confused.
Guy who made game tweeted he never received anything.
Game is still up
You can still download
Why so much misinformation, I'm so confused.
At the present time, Sonic fan games aren't doing Sonic any favors, nor are the official games. Sonic, as an IP, is still widely considered as a joke, and its' popularity continues to slip for a variety of reasons, the series' fans, and how they are perceived, included.
If Nintendo starts licensing out their IP's wholesale like they did in the 90's, you run the risk of shit like Mario is Missing and the CD-i Zelda games happening. Nintendo games, their IP's, are supposed to be known for their quality, but they tried what you're suggesting before, and it simply didn't work. On top of this, licensing out their IP's too much would over-saturate their brands, which is also a bad thing, even if all the games were 10 out of 10.
I was also under the impression that this is the kind of thing you get sent a cease-and-desist over instead of a DMCA takedown. It's not like the original site and creator are hard to find here.
Yes, there would never be a "DMCA" for AM2R. That doesn't even make sense. The DMCA is about piracy.
False, I have been an active member in the Bombergames/Streets of Rage Remake community for a long time now and the donations were only to keep the forums running as the bandwidth back then was costing Bomberlink quite a bit. Bomberlink gave the reasoning behind the C&D notice on this post: http://www.bombergames.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1012
He explains that there was no permission from Sega of Japan to distribute a Streets of Rage game, and Sega of Europe requested that the game be taken down. I know an older GAF member mentioned that it was about profiting off of the project, but I tried to contact him for proof with contacting Bombergames (because he supposedly did and mentioned as such in a post awhile back). I never did get a response from him on that matter, so it's safe to say the whole donations were made for the game itself rumor is false.
Agent_Carnage
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So you cant prove that not defending an IP will make company lose it, then why bring it up. The thing with generic is a different matter entirely which is why we have generic drugs.
Heres a link to a page of a reproduction game
https://gamereproductions.com/~gamerepr/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=238
Same thing but someone is making money from this. This site has been up for years and Nintendo has yet to make a C&D order against them.
Much better than the 'No, idiots! Nintendo has no history of doing this!!' Since, you know, one is objectively false.
Agent_Carnage
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Sonic has been a joke for years and fan made games dident make it that way. Sonic became a Joke when Sega made bad games which fan made games eclipse them. Thats why Sega brought on people who made fan made to make Sonic Mania.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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And people thought it wouldn't happen.
I'm not surprised personally. It makes sense.
I'm not surprised personally. It makes sense.
ShadowOwl
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Seriously now, AM2R is using Nintendo's IP without their permission, doesn't matter if you like it or not. No idea what makes you think otherwise.
This is true, but I'm just glad the game was released in the first place. No matter what actions Nintendo takes, the game is out there so we did get to play it. That's really what matters here.
It's just like the Powerslave EX situation.
Multiplayer online co-op action game with chibi models and no Captain Falcon unless you use an amiibo to unlock the costume.
Sir_Crocodile
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Yeah, whatever's gone on here at least they're not square-enix. They at worst allowed it to come out and get disseminated before upholding their IP.
Still no clue how legit this is though. A DMCA rather then a C&D, AND to the wrong place.
lol are you serious with this bull?
Labrynian Rebel
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There's a reason I downloaded AM2R ASAP.
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Yeah, Nintendo probably doesn't even know what a 2D Metroid even looks like anymore XD :I
pizzaparty
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Courts assert jurisdiction, not plaintiffs. Copyright infringement requires infringing use, not theft. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
mhayes86
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Right; Metroid Database has nothing to do with AM2R, and that site is still active with the game intact for download. Someone in the AM2R OT mentioned that Nintendo tends to shut down things that compete with their own products, or can be misconstrued as their official product. If Metroid Database is a huge fan site, perhaps they requested the removal of the game from being hosted there to not be thought of as an official release, or just don't want it circulated anywhere other than the AM2R dev's site. I'm just pulling that out of my ass, but that's my guess.
If AM2R was going to be shut down entirely, I imagine that Nintendo would have done that long ago.
ShadowOwl
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm SO glad that AM2R was released.
wild wild rice
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This is probably because Nintendo has their own remake on the way, right?!?!
HandsomeCharles
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I'm not a lawyer. I don't have this information immediately on-hand, but saying "It hasn't happened therefore it can't happen" is utterly foolish.
As for that repro thing, I'd say that looks like major copyright infringement. Again, I don't know why there haven't been C&Ds because I don't work in Nintendo's legal department. If I had to make a guess, I'd say it's because they're not very well known. I'd never heard of them anyway, unlike this metroid remake.
You know where you can find this game?
On its official website: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com.es/
Because Nintendo has done NOTHING against this fan remake. They are not trying to stop it. They are not trying to "face the whole Internet". They haven't even contacted the dude who made the remake. I honestly don't know what you're all getting upset about. Have you not even read the OP?
Trademark Genericide is not really a thing when it comes to works of art and entertainment. It could have possibly happened to Nintendo in regards to the NES, with a nintendo equaling a video game console, but it does not happen to books, movies, games, etc. Only hardware and peripherals are in danger of that.
What they do have to worry about is falling into the public domain, though thanks to Disney that's pretty much a non issue.
What they do have to worry about is falling into the public domain, though thanks to Disney that's pretty much a non issue.
ShadowOwl
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Eh, taking down one of the official mirrors is at least to some degree trying to stop it. We don't even know if the other 3rd party mirrors have received DMCA notices.
Let's just wait and see, it's very early in the morning in US and I'm pretty sure that we will get some new info on this matter today.
Why would they take down a mirror before the main site? It makes absolutely no logic to think they would do that if they are trying to "stop" this fan remake. They could have enforced they copyright years ago. Why wait until now? And if any other third party mirrors had received any DMCA takedown notice, we would have known by now.
But, hey: damned if you do, damned if you don't, Nintendo!
Whether they let it stay up or not, Nintendo themselves has done NOTHING for Metroid's 30th Anniversary.
The fact the most exciting thing about the 30th Anniversary is the fan-remake of Metroid II tells you everything.
C'mon, Nintendo. You've kicked Metroid fans down for the past six years. No need to be vindictive about it.
The fact the most exciting thing about the 30th Anniversary is the fan-remake of Metroid II tells you everything.
C'mon, Nintendo. You've kicked Metroid fans down for the past six years. No need to be vindictive about it.
ShadowOwl
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It was the only the smallest mirror, while all the other mirrors are handled by big third party companies which get a TON of DMCA takedown requests every day. And the mail received by Metroid Database arrived most likely on frigging Sunday evening.
Alternatively, they targeted Metroid Database specifically because MD sells their own merch and them rehosting AM2R could be seen as a way of driving visitors to their site to see that stuff.
For what it's worth, there's a point to be made that people are not helping AM2R endear itself to Nintendo when they act like it's the only Metroid thing happening this month/at all when Nintendo is releasing a new Metroid game in less than two weeks.
Whether or not Federation Force is something that people are actually happy or not is irrelevant when fans are inadvertently positioning AM2R as effectively being competition.
Nintendo decide to release Metroid 2 remake. People are like "nope, why pay when I has it free", see the problem?
See, while I get what you're saying, that's a problem with NINTENDO, not the fans who have been clamoring for a Metroidvania, classic-style exploration game (ESPECIALLY a traditional side-scrolling installment) since bloody 2004(!). There hasn't been an old-school Metroid game like AM2R in nearly 12 years! That's INSANE to me.
And, regardless of Federation Force's quality or reception (I'm going to give it a shot), it's not even close to the gameplay style or presentation that neglected Metroid fans have wanted (again, even more so if you're a fan of the 2D installments). It's effectively a spin-off with none of the gameplay features or world design that made Metroid so famous and beloved.
It's not "competition" other than sharing the name anymore than Mobius Final Fantasy is competition for Final Fantasy XV. They're two entirely different beasts altogether.
... And I'll peg that separate on NINTENDO, because obviously the demand is there for a proper old-school Metroid experience, but Nintendo decided not to cater to that audience and has done something different instead. That's not entirely bad, but it's still disappointing to the fans who grew up with, treasure, and value that traditional experience (enough to make their own when Nintendo won't bother).
Wouldn't be the same game, though. If Bethesda tried to charge money for a "Turn a Dragon into Macho Man Randy Savage" DLC, when that mod already exists, is the mod creator who initial made it somehow in the wrong?
You should play Axiom Verge, it's great !
If Nintendo really did go after AM2R all it would do is further embitter people who already are ticked off about Federation Force. It would easily do more damage than good.
Unrelated to the quote above, it's an interesting phenomenon online seeing wild assumptions being treated as fact. I really wish I'd have saved where I saw it, but I read quite a long explanation as to how the notion that they will magically lose their rights to the franchise over fan games is false. Nevermind the oodles of fan projects that aren't shut down. Heck even emulating servers: Contrast Activision-Blizzard's nonsense response claiming allowing the WoW legacy fan server is impossible while Daybreak publicly granted the right for Project99 (a legacy EverQuest fan server) to exist (making Activation-Blizzard's statement look remarkably foolish since the Project99 blessing came before the WoW fan server takedown).
That big list of examples posted earlier doesn't really prove anything when that list was about trademarks being used in general speech to refer to products and had nothing to do with entertainment franchises or characters.
Metroidvania is still alive and well with franchises other than Metroid and Castlevania....
I could do with a Shadow Complex 2 though.
Starphoenix
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So why was this website taken down?
Oh, for sure. They are very different games and, yeah, would normally not be competition in any sense of the word.
That said, to work off of your Final Fantasy comparison, a more apt comparison would be if somebody released a popular Final Fantasy fangame that was a normal JRPG with ATB combat the same month as FFXV and a bunch of people started playing it up as the actual FF being released that month and not the official game. Sure, it'd be on SquareEnix for making their own game not be as appealing as the fan game, but it's still dumb on part of the playerbase to try and openly spin the fan game as the more legitimate game.
Which is my point with the Metroid situation. Yeah, it's still on Nintendo for not making the kind of metroid game that people want, but that still doesn't mean you shouldn't use discretion in how you talk up AM2R when there is a new game with Metroid in the name coming out in close proximity.
Nobody knows yet.
I know what you're saying but...
I have to be petty.
This was basically a Final Fantasy game in everything but name (though it's by the actual creator and had a publisher), but I know I'm not alone when I call it "the real Final Fantasy XIII". I literally put it on my shelf between FFXII and FFXIV...
... Just wanted to give yet another shoutout to Lost Odyssey. Great FInal Fantasy game.
Edit: Actually, I just remembered Capcom gave their full blessing to this as well.
Wouldn't it be nice if Nintendo did the same thing and hosted it themselves?
A little off topic, but wow, HEROIN.
FloweryMarston
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relieved that nintendo didn't actually take down the game, disappointed that some are ignoring this. I don't think nintendo will go after the game
March of the Crabs
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Because the "Evil Nintendo" narrative is fun. Hopefully this post gets quoted until people learn how to read.
I do the same for what it's worth
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