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No 3D in Pokémon Sun & Moon? Why?
- Thread starter jax
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Sammy Samusu
Member
Incompetence.
But besides Retro, who would do a great job at a Pokémon game? Maybe Square Enix?
Beyond that, I'm sure Mario Maker runs better on a N3DS than on a O3DS. Unlike Pokémon.
The 3DS also has development confirmed until well into 2018. It wouldn't be surprising if Pokémon was one of those late 2018 titles as well, likely without improvement with N3DS hardware or 3D again due to "reasons".
But Mario Maker didn't have two previous 3DS titles that utilized 3D.
Beyond that, I'm sure Mario Maker runs better on a N3DS than on a O3DS. Unlike Pokémon.
The 3DS also has development confirmed until well into 2018. It wouldn't be surprising if Pokémon was one of those late 2018 titles as well, likely without improvement with N3DS hardware or 3D again due to "reasons".
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
How was Xenoblade's 3D framerate for comparison?
A pretty steady 30 fps. It actually runs better in some spots on the 3DS than it did on the Wii, though the lower resolution plays a big part in that.
This is a great post that I'm sorry I somehow missed. I actually knew a lot of that information, such as Game Freak not being owned by Nintendo.
But at this point I still feel like Nintendo, in order to protect their own branding (3DS, NS) should step in and use that 32%+ to dictate what is needed in a mainline Pokémon game. If Game Freak can't handle that then a dev that can should be commissioned to help fill in the blanks. Things like Streetpass and Amiibo are glaring omissions to the 3DS games and I believe they ultimately hurt Nintendo's marketing efforts.
Problem is, it seems like Game Freak is a very stubborn company (look at the Pokémon Amiibo problem) so I don't know if they would veto that idea or even be able to veto it.. but there's certainly an issue with how these games are being developed. The fact that the demo for S&M runs the same on an O3DS as it does on a N3DS suggests the game is not optimized for the new hardware in the least bit. This is a huge issue.
The only way I see 3DS being phased out next year is if Switch gets ridiculous sales numbers from launch. It's far more likely that Switch will get an average-to-mediocre start, then either ramp up to more success or tank like Wii U. Nintendo may phase out 3DS if Switch is a runaway success, but it seems far more likely to me that we'll see a successor to 3DS.
It's also not really fair to say "nobody cares about 3D anymore" in a topic full of people complaining that a game doesn't utilize 3D.
SomedayTheFire
Member
It's really not a huge issue.
Astral Dog
Member
too much Graphics
Captain Europe
Member
Because GF is incompetent, or cheap, the Pokemon games are the only 3DS games I own without texture filtering.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Game Freak wanted to use all that processing power to implement HDR.
TheDinoman
Member
I said "begin to phase out", for the record. I don't really see the 3DS getting a successor in a true sense because the whole point of the Switch is to combine their handheld and console stuff together. Right now, they're still selling 3DS stuff while the Wii U is dead, so that's why I was under the impression that's why Nintendo is referring to the Switch as a "home console" at the moment. It's basically similar to their "third pillar" PR speak when it came to the DS and GBA.
ss_lemonade
Member
I know, and it was sort of ok with ORAS since the new 3ds came out a little later. I'm expecting the new games though to take advantage of the New 3ds' hardware without resorting to homebrew.
I always wondered about this too. Is it an artistic thing? Didn't that old 3ds pokedex app have filtering applied to the models? Because that one looked really good.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
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I'm really not seeing why it should be so hard for the system. It's just a bunch of 2D sprites layed out in a grid. Even the New style uses 2D elements for pretty much everything except Mario. Why should that be so hard on the system?
The more intense levels have bullet hell intensity with all of the moving parts that can happen. Granted, they did say that not every Wii U level is playable on the 3DS version, but they can still get pretty nuts.
Let's just say Gamefreak are the only popular studio I know that makes From Software look like technical wizards.
I honestly don't know how people at Nintendo haven't stepped up and tried to help them lol.
Yeah if that qualifies as running well then I sure am thankful it doesn't have 3D.
I honestly don't know how people at Nintendo haven't stepped up and tried to help them lol.
Yeah if that qualifies as running well then I sure am thankful it doesn't have 3D.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Sigh...guess I will wait for the citra version to force 3D. Unless there comes a hack for the 3DS.
It's weird because the box says 3D for select areas like the other Pokemon games
It's weird because the box says 3D for select areas like the other Pokemon games
The funny part is that apparently they do, but they're still awfully optimized. From the demo I noticed that Sun and Moon take advantage of the full power of the system like Smash and MH4 so it has to reboot when you exit the app, unless you're playing on a n3DS.
So yeah, it takes advantage of it, it's just that they're such a mess that you can barely tell because it runs as terribly as past titles.
Conkerkid11
Member
Maybe the title screen.
I agree that it's the same as the third pillar. If DS had tanked they would've released a successor to the GBA. But DS ended up succeeding so they didn't have to fall back on GBA.
I'm simply saying that this time they're banking on what's essentially a home console to be a big success and if it is, they won't need dedicated handhelds anymore. But their home consoles have done progressively worse every generation with the exception of the Wii, and I personally don't see this panning out differently.
I'm primarily a handheld gamer and I play Nintendo games more than anything else so I'd love to be wrong and Nintendo's future to be in handheld/console hybrids, and I'll be a day one adopter, but I'm just personally predicting another dedicated handheld after Switch not being as popular as it'll need to be to replace handhelds.
In the demo I believe the photo-taking minigame is in 3D.
BlueBadger
Banned
I'm cool with it. The 3D function tends to give me a bit of a headache anyway.
Weltall Zero
Member
"Game A lacks feature B"
"That's good because I don't use B"
If you don't care that others want feature B, why would they care that you don't want B? Who are you even talking to?
"That's good because I don't use B"
If you don't care that others want feature B, why would they care that you don't want B? Who are you even talking to?
SoulUnison
Banned
Have you never seen a discussion about the 3DS's 3D before?
It's like there's no middle ground.
It's 40% "I love the 3D and have never turned it off" and 60% "I don't use the 3D and therefore nobody else should ever, either."
I'm the former.
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
Member
I like the 3DS's 3D. It's the only thing that makes the system's awful resolution bearable. I don't use it 100% of the time, but I use it pretty often. How godawful it was in X/Y was honestly shocking, and seeing people happy that a feature is removed because of Game Freak's incompetence is mind boggling.
Just because you don't like/use a feature doesn't mean it should go away. If Game Freak had any idea how to make games, they'd be able to make it run well, look good, AND have 3D. Resident Evil Revelations looks far better Sun/Moon do, could do 3D and it came out years ago.
Just because you don't like/use a feature doesn't mean it should go away. If Game Freak had any idea how to make games, they'd be able to make it run well, look good, AND have 3D. Resident Evil Revelations looks far better Sun/Moon do, could do 3D and it came out years ago.
outunderthestars
Banned
Why bother with it when they know everyone will buy the games anyhow.
Conkerkid11
Member
I don't use it, but at least if 3D were supported, they might have a reason to somewhat optimize the game.
Right now it runs like shit, and 3D user or not, that affects me.
DarkConfidant
Member
The part when you take photos of Pokémon has 3D strangely.
Play the demo with your 3Dswitched on, and do the photography section.
I don't know if it's by accident or not.
Play the demo with your 3Dswitched on, and do the photography section.
I don't know if it's by accident or not.
MindGamingMantis
Banned
No they don't. Compare RE:Revelations, Xenoblade and others to Pokemon. Pokemon is so half-assed it's like buying a new wwe game.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
They really should have designed the 3DS with some kind switch or slider of that enabled and disabled 3D. Big design flaw IMO.
Pretty much. For me where I draw the line is content. If the content isn't up to par, I'll skip
Sauce Marlow
Member
SoulUnison
Banned
People actually use the 3D on the 3DS?
It's incredible how much "wrong" is crammed efficiently into this post.
A real marvel of engineering.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
That's such a stupid stance to take with an IP like Pokemon. GF is becoming the software variant of Apple in that they want to create a game with the least possible effort.
God Dayumm
Banned
Why spend development time and money on such underused feature? We got too few new Pokemon as it is
Banana Aeon
Member
I can't actually see in 3d, so this doesn't matter to me.
Orniletter
Banned
The sheer hyperbole in this thread.
Sun and Moon have by far some of the best visuals of any 3DS game, the only JRPGs that are even close are the port of DQ VIII, which incidentally is 2D only too and Xenoblade 3D which is n3DS only and fakes it's 3D effect.
I can't believe people want a Hyrule Warriors esque 20 fps max on n3DS 3D mode . I'm sure that would have gone over well.
Sun and Moon have by far some of the best visuals of any 3DS game, the only JRPGs that are even close are the port of DQ VIII, which incidentally is 2D only too and Xenoblade 3D which is n3DS only and fakes it's 3D effect.
I can't believe people want a Hyrule Warriors esque 20 fps max on n3DS 3D mode . I'm sure that would have gone over well.