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[Shaddy]

This is a sad day for America.

I watched the TGS streams, I know what Playstation is all about. All of you Playstation lovers with your loli obsession and your anime avatars, if you love Japan so much, why don't you just move there? It saddens me that Americans would choose to associate with that rather than the sturdy, rugged, masculine, patriotic The One. Yet, throughout these sad times that we live in, I have still kept alive a lingering flame of hope that the great American values will endure, and Pacther’s predictions this week helped kindle that flame. But if these news are true, I may have to finally abandon that hope.

If these news are true, that is. Anyone else think it’s suspicious how NPD starts hiding console numbers, so that we are left at the mercy of the console manufacturers to provide us with what information they will, and suddenly Playstation starts doing better than Xbox? No one else finds it suspicious how the well-informed and knowledgeable video games analyst Pachter, who usually makes predictions with great accuracy, after consulting his vast retail contact network, predicts that The One will come out ahead, yet when we get “official” numbers, suddenly PS4 has sold more? It’s not like this is the first time that Sony is caught with juking the stats. Esteemed video games sales expert ioi recently revealed how Sony was lying at Gamescom with their 10 million consoles sold number. You may think Sony wouldn’t go that far, but they have lied to us before. They lied to us about the Driveclub PS Plus version and they lied to us about the power of their systems. One lie leads to another and once you have gotten into the habit of lying, it is very hard to stop.

But I guess this is to be expected. People who want to harm America always have a propensity to believe in made-up numbers. Look at how North Korean citizens swallow lies from their own leaders. Or closer to home, look at how liberals are gulping down the Obama administration’s lies. Look at how they are cooking the books on Obamacare and job reports. 250000 new jobs added in September? Hah, where I live, in real rural America, most people have given up looking. 250000 new jobs, my ass. Plus, under President Romney, we would have had at least 400000 new jobs. Or look at how they lie about inflation as an excuse to print money, debasing the dollar further. President Reagan (may he rest in peace) is turning in his grave. Inflation below target? Tell that to my local grocery store and gas station! These Washington types, always coming at you with their fancy numbers and their facts and their smug grins, thinking they know better than you. (And don't get me started on those IRS bullies. Federal income tax is theft and, even worse, unconstitutional, and I'm not paying to help finance a government I never voted for. So they can take their tax return forms and their court summons and shove them up somewhere. Don't bother coming back here!) And throughout all this, the mainstream media keeps cheering the administration on, helping them pull the wool over Americans’ eyes. This is very similar to the gaming media, incidentally, with their strong Sony bias. Kotaku is far too close to Sony. Always has been.

Maybe it’s time we started unskewing the NPD results. Even though they started shilling for Sony only relatively recently, I have always felt that their numbers are suspect. They don’t track sales from online stores, where more and more customers are taking their business these days. Also, it is well-known that they don’t take digital download sales into account. Who knows how many console sales they miss that way?
 
Still, I am always the optimist. I have hopes for the future. It looks like people are finally starting to see through the Democrats’ lies. If polls are to be believed, we will put a patriotic majority back in the Senate in November. If it can happen there, we can get the powers for good back into power in the video game business at the same time, with the arrival of Halo: The Master Chief Collection and, most importantly, the monthly OS updates. Until then, God bless you all, and don’t forget to vote in November!

MrXmedia is that you?

 

[JNA]

So can we finally just take whatever Patcher says with a huge pile of salt? The guy almost always predicts the exact opposite of the real outcome.

Hell what does even do? I remember reading the Patcher thread and it seems there was some confusion on what he does for a living. Is making baseless incorrect predications apart of his job description? 0_0

 

[KalBalboa]

PS4 number is just batty.

I'm sure the Vita won't be too far behind.

Love you, Dave. We PSN bros yet?

 

[FDC1]

Crazy. Much lower install base and exclusive marketing deal with Sony, yet Destiny sells more on Xbox 1? Has to be wrong, no?

read the topic...

 

[Einbroch]

But are digital sales not counted?

They are not. Sony/MS/Nintendo release that info on their own.

 

[Majmun]

For the people that had a PS4 and XB1 already, it sold more on XB1. The rest is assumptions.

Even that's an assumption actually.

It is, because digital sales aren't being counted either...

 

[Queen of Hunting]

There are over 460,000 people on the leaderboard

usa only or worldwide....

 

[Eolz]

That software decline is pretty bad, despite the big titles.
Interesting hardware sales.
Good job for Hyrule Warriors and some others, expected less.

 

[phanphare]

Actually, it would be less. 190k includes digital sales.

geez, twisting the knife on him

 

[Conduit]

Well it isn't good, hard to say if it's bad. Forza Horizon 2 launched on Sept. 30th. NPD's measurement period for Sept is actually Aug. 31-Oct 4.

So five full days of FH2 sales should be included in the NPD numbers.

But Shadow Of Mordor made in top 10.

 

[RyudBoy]

I blame Forza Horizon 2 not charting due to its stupid commercials that showed no gameplay at all.

And terrible music choice.

 

[The Llama]

Honestly doesn't even surprise me that Forza didn't chart. Racing games just aren't super popular in the US.

 

[BMO = GOAT]

Really? Why


E: He was asked when we will get hardware numbers

If numbers were to leak out soon, NPD ninjas will find their target faster than it took me post this post.

Cream and the rest wait 'til waters are calm, so NPD people don't get mad.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

For the people that had a PS4 and XB1 already, it sold more on XB1. The rest is assumptions.

Even that's an assumption actually.

That's not an assumption. It's called math. If more people play more on one system, if one system doubled it's sales in the month of a major release, if one month digital sales was up for a major release, I think it's clear that the PS4 is the best selling console for Destiny. The Xbox did certainly sell more physical copies though, how much is not yet announced... But


.. Obviously, it has sold more and is being played more on the PS4. We can recognize that as a fact

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Hey, we live in the now.

Very true. Companies won't release numbers when they are losing though is the point. Not when they don't need to.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Overall software down again.

Digital transition, smaller release slate and GTA comp. Not a surprise, actually better than expected.

 

[Welfare]

It is, because digital sales aren't being counted either...

So no one bought Destiny digital on the One?

 

[Chobel]

They definitely do but I still didn't expect the Xbox One standalone to do better even with that deal.

Honestly expected a 55/45 split in favor of PS4 Destiny.

Well MS also offered it free with Xbone purchase for a week*, so that could change things.

*It was any game free, but I'm pretty sure most people will choose Destiny.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Crazy. Much lower install base and exclusive marketing deal with Sony, yet Destiny sells more on Xbox 1? Has to be wrong, no?

Free game will have made a huge difference. Essentially the XB1 "bundle" counts toward the ranking whereas the official PS4 set does not.

 

[Hockeymac18]

it comes from nintendo's pr, which includes digital sales. we don't know what npd tracked.

Ah, thank you for clarification. So it's not really #11 by NPD. I don't really understand the logic of putting it as #11 when it includes digital but none of the other games in the ranking do.

 

[Nirolak]

Hyrule Warriors was No. 11 on the chart. I'm adding that to my story now.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134659909&postcount=280

Destiny stuff appears to be WW

Thanks.

Is that #11 single skus or combined?

 

[sturgboski]

Oh juniors. You really don't know better.

Hey I knew better. Been to a few of these threads. Also I read all the posts prior pointing out bundles don't count AND the free games Microsoft gave out do ( weird but I understand why). All in all great job on Sony for landing this.

 

[Heratiki]

Real funny the only game PS4 lost out to XB1 was Destiny. Kinda surprising but explains the early Destiny PR.

Does the free game with XBO deal mean that those Destiny copies are counted as standalone sales since they weren't prepackaged?

 

[ethomaz]

I'm right to think 300-400k Destiny bundles was sold in September?

 

[vpance]

Well damn, I knew Forza wasn't a sales giant but not even 500k?

The tiny install base isn't helping matters.

 

[Kayant]

For the people that had a PS4 and XB1 already, it sold more on XB1. The rest is assumptions.

Even that's an assumption actually.

Lmaooo and your's isn't a huge assumption. Come on now.

Am a idiot and need some sleep

Does the free game with XBO deal mean that those Destiny copies are counted as standalone sales since they weren't prepackaged?

Apparently so it was answered earlier in the thread but yes as it wasn't an official bundle.

Did you actually read my post? I specifically said mine was also an assumption.

I guess i didn't .... Sorry for that.

 

[Verendus]

It might not have sold more retail but the gameindustry article says



They are probably including bundles and digital sales in that statement right? Unless I am reading this wrong.

Yes. They'll count it all. Destiny has been massive for them.

And with that, I have no thought of another line.

You are my Destiny
You are my shining star
Shining every night
And shining, oh, so, bright

Song is coming along well now.

 

[AniHawk]

Sony is already prepping for that this holiday with LittleBigPlanet3. That game will appeal to more casual and family gamers.

they're slowly starting this year with tearaway and lbp3. tearaway should get decent exposure since the only other version is on a dead system, but lbp3 is a ps3 game too and i doubt will sway people to the platform.

 

[Diprosalic]

Those reviews didn't do shit

good.

 

[FDC1]

Retail is down, though much of that is likely due to the digital boom.

most likely due to GTAV.

 

[ElTorro]

forza bombed if its below hyrule

People are more likely to buy XBO digitally than Wii U games. I buy all my XBO games digitally, but would not do that on my Wii U, where the internal storage and Nintendo's licence management are ridiculous.

I would not put to much trust in these numbers.

 

[Paganmoon]

There are over 460,000 people on the leaderboard

Is the leaderboard world wide? If US only, it'd suggest it sold more digitally than retail. (and that'd be a first for a major game right?

 

[Kathian]

I blame Forza Horizon 2 not charting due to its stupid commercials that showed no gameplay at all.

And terrible music choice.

I blame it on being just another Forza game.
Good games but they can't thrive with annual releases

 

[IAmRandom31]

MS is being awfully quiet on hardware numbers. Even Nintendo was quick to toot their own horns.

Can't be a good sign ....

 

[Nightengale]

I wonder what the ASP is for Destiny on the Xbox One?

Assumption : 90% x no.of XB1 consoles sold during OFG week x $60 + cost of setting up a perfume website

 

[Asd202]

I understand that Forza is not GT but still less than HW at retail when it's on 2 console and the other is on Wii U? Come on it's bad really bad.

 

[soundscream]

usa only or worldwide....

Worldwide, but it doesn't matter if your talking bombing.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

XBONE have no Destiny Ad and still pulled it off.

Bundles aren't included and clearly it was the Destiny bundle that pushed the PS4 over 500k. Think about it.

 

[Pit]

RIP in pieces Pachter

 

[Magwik]

Does the free game with XBO deal mean that those Destiny copies are counted as standalone sales since they weren't prepackaged?

Yes.

 

[NateDrake]

Ah, thank you for clarification. So it's not really #11 by NPD. I don't really understand the logic of putting it as #11 when it includes digital but none of the other games in the ranking do.

The NPD chart has HW placed at #11 with whatever figures NPD tracked, which would be 190k minus digital sales.

 

[Xpliskin]

With the holiday season coming up and heavy hitters in February.

Man Sony is ballin'

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Lmaooo and your's isn't a huge assumption. Come on now.

Did you actually read my post? I specifically said mine was also an assumption.

 

[Killer]

So Panther is wrong again? Lol

 

[Mass Effect]

Wow that is surprising, my copy is still in shrink wrap, may return it and wait for the inevitable black Friday sale.

That wouldn't be a terrible idea. The original Horizon went for $15 on Black Friday on the Microsoft Store, which is when I bought it.

Just an FYI.

 

[schuelma]

Well, looking at Infinity 2.0, at least one 3rd party franchise might actually stick around on Wii U.

Small victories and all that.

 

[QuantumZebra]

This is a sad day for America.

I watched the TGS streams, I know what Playstation is all about. All of you Playstation lovers with your loli obsession and your anime avatars, if you love Japan so much, why don't you just move there? It saddens me that Americans would choose to associate with that rather than the sturdy, rugged, masculine, patriotic The One. Yet, throughout these sad times that we live in, I have still kept alive a lingering flame of hope that the great American values will endure, and Pacther’s predictions this week helped kindle that flame. But if these news are true, I may have to finally abandon that hope.

If these news are true, that is. Anyone else think it’s suspicious how NPD starts hiding console numbers, so that we are left at the mercy of the console manufacturers to provide us with what information they will, and suddenly Playstation starts doing better than Xbox? No one else finds it suspicious how the well-informed and knowledgeable video games analyst Pachter, who usually makes predictions with great accuracy, after consulting his vast retail contact network, predicts that The One will come out ahead, yet when we get “official” numbers, suddenly PS4 has sold more? It’s not like this is the first time that Sony is caught with juking the stats. Esteemed video games sales expert ioi recently revealed how Sony was lying at Gamescom with their 10 million consoles sold number. You may think Sony wouldn’t go that far, but they have lied to us before. They lied to us about the Driveclub PS Plus version and they lied to us about the power of their systems. One lie leads to another and once you have gotten into the habit of lying, it is very hard to stop.

But I guess this is to be expected. People who want to harm America always have a propensity to believe in made-up numbers. Look at how North Korean citizens swallow lies from their own leaders. Or closer to home, look at how liberals are gulping down the Obama administration’s lies. Look at how they are cooking the books on Obamacare and job reports. 250000 new jobs added in September? Hah, where I live, in real rural America, most people have given up looking. 250000 new jobs, my ass. Plus, under President Romney, we would have had at least 400000 new jobs. Or look at how they lie about inflation as an excuse to print money, debasing the dollar further. President Reagan (may he rest in peace) is turning in his grave. Inflation below target? Tell that to my local grocery store and gas station! These Washington types, always coming at you with their fancy numbers and their facts and their smug grins, thinking they know better than you. (And don't get me started on those IRS bullies. Federal income tax is theft and, even worse, unconstitutional, and I'm not paying to help finance a government I never voted for. So they can take their tax return forms and their court summons and shove them up somewhere. Don't bother coming back here!) And throughout all this, the mainstream media keeps cheering the administration on, helping them pull the wool over Americans’ eyes. This is very similar to the gaming media, incidentally, with their strong Sony bias. Kotaku is far too close to Sony. Always has been.

Maybe it’s time we started unskewing the NPD results. Even though they started shilling for Sony only relatively recently, I have always felt that their numbers are suspect. They don’t track sales from online stores, where more and more customers are taking their business these days. Also, it is well-known that they don’t take digital download sales into account. Who knows how many console sales they miss that way?
 
Still, I am always the optimist. I have hopes for the future. It looks like people are finally starting to see through the Democrats’ lies. If polls are to be believed, we will put a patriotic majority back in the Senate in November. If it can happen there, we can get the powers for good back into power in the video game business at the same time, with the arrival of Halo: The Master Chief Collection and, most importantly, the monthly OS updates. Until then, God bless you all, and don’t forget to vote in November!

You need to go to Breitbart / #gamergate with this information.


#thetruthisoutthere

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Now someone just needs to get tagged in a post about Nintendo winning and we will have a perfect trinity.

So we won't have the trinity until the next generation at the earliest

 

[GribbleGrunger]

That MS silence though....

Yep, you can almost hear a pin number drop.