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That's actually a pretty good description of Bernie Sanders at the moment.
I'm your metaphor man whenever you need me.
That's actually a pretty good description of Bernie Sanders at the moment.
He already conceeded and made his good bye speech?That's not even remotely what he said.
Lol some of you want him to roll over. Democracy is there for all. If he wants to continue running then I see no problem as long as there are enough people backing him. Really feels warped how some can't handle competition.
Are you talking about your uncle at the thanksgiving dinner table or a presidential candidate addressing a country of over 300 million people? I speak to voters every day who have no fucking clue what Bernie's platform is. Not everyone follows this to the same degree that you or I do.
And you have no issue with not so subtle dog whistle about the confederacy/land of cotton/high AA population?
No, but it's trying to sell a narrative that Hillary can only win in the South, or can only win with conservative voters. If that were the case, this race would look significantly different.
I take issue with reducing those parts of the country as "cotton states" or "confederate states." I think it's fairly evident why that image is problematic.
I'm going to repeat what I said in quotes. A straight, candid response would be wonderful.
"We lost the south because it has, statistically, a higher percentage of both conservative voters and African American voters, both of which we performed poorly with"
This is the essence of what Bernie himself has said regarding the south.
Do you think this is racist?
Bernie said:Look, let me acknowledge what is absolutely true. Secretary Clinton cleaned our clock in the Deep South. No question about it. We got murdered there. That is the most conservative part of this great country. That's the fact. But you know what? We're out of the Deep South now. And we're moving up.
There is no competition. It is pointless. He isn't going to accomplish anything that he already hasn't by staying in the race.
People want him to quit because it is pointless and would like to see an end/reduction to the friction on the left.
Dude I live in south Georgia black belt. So not really.
There is no competition. It is pointless. He isn't going to accomplish anything that he already hasn't by staying in the race.
People want him to quit because it is pointless and would like to see an end/reduction to the friction on the left.
That's a variation of the "black friend" defense I haven't seen in a while.
Can't be your own black friend mate.
I don't even think anyone really has a problem with him staying in the race if he stops throwing BS at Dems.
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Depending on how far we advance with cloning in the next couple decades, that's quitter talk.
I am sure there were a lot of voters who never got the chance to hear Jeb/Rubio/Cruz/O'Malley/ etc. But those candidates can accept reality and do what's best for their party. Bernie doesn't care about the party, only himself
Are you saying twins are the same person? Same genes/epigenetics does not make you even close to the same person
He's a rival candidate, he isnt her hype man, its not his job to get her elected.
Two bodies enter, one consciousness leaves!
If I look at it from Bernie's perspective, I think he still wants to push Hillary further left if indeed he's destined to lose, and through debates.
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Can someone explain this article to me that I happened to stumble upon on Twitter?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...rs-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html
Like......is this for real? I legit don't know.
(not sure where else to ask this)
Can someone explain this article to me that I happened to stumble upon on Twitter?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...rs-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html
Like......is this for real? I legit don't know.
(not sure where else to ask this)
Lol some of you want him to roll over. Democracy is there for all. If he wants to continue running then I see no problem as long as there are enough people backing him. Really feels warped how some can't handle competition.
Can someone explain this article to me that I happened to stumble upon on Twitter?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...rs-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html
Like......is this for real? I legit don't know.
(not sure where else to ask this)
Couldn't he, like, talk with the DNC and agree to drop out now in exchange for bonus speaking time or something? If he's going to be suggesting measures for the DNC, it seems like it would be to his advantage to not have them ticked off at him.
I don't even think anyone really has a problem with him staying in the race if he stops throwing BS at Dems.
If he does as promised and run a positive campaign on issues, he can stay and campaign till November if he wants.
She's a human being, she's flawed, he's pointing out her flaws like he should. He's a rival candidate, he isnt her hype man, its not his job to get her elected.
I dont even disagree with your overall point that he should probably go ahead and just suspend the campaign, but the idea that any criticism of Hillary is "BS" is frankly pretty sad.
She's a human being, she's flawed, he's pointing out her flaws like he should. He's a rival candidate, he isnt her hype man, its not his job to get her elected.
It's all in the tone. Sanders' words at the last debate were:
There's no mention of his campaign "performing poorly". Heck, There's no mention of his campaign doing anything wrong at all, either philosophically or strategically.
There's just the reminder that the South is very Conservative, signaling to viewers that those states are irrelevant in the General Election. Which then begs the questions "If I'm a Southern Democrat, is Sanders taking into account my concerns? Does he care about my issues? If so, why didn't he campaign down here to try to earn my vote? Why is he dogwhistling that my vote doesn't matter anyway?"
I trust that Sanders himself and the vast majority of his supporters aren't intentionally racist, but I don't think it's unreasonable for a lot of Southern Democrats to feel slighted by him.
Bernie knows he won't win. This is his grand gesture at the end of a storied career of public service, his magnum opus. He is energizing and mobilizing the progressive base of the next 4 decades, showing them how they can have a powerful and immediate impact on the political landscape, and the remarkable value of activism.
I think it's beautiful and admirable.
If I look at it from Bernie's perspective, I think he still wants to push Hillary further left if indeed he's destined to lose, and through debates.
It' admirable he's doing so, but I think it's a bit shortsighted because he's in effect weakening the party as a whole this way because it seems divided rather than something of open discussion between agreeing parties.
Now if it seemed like they agreed on 90% of the issues and took advantage of the spotlight to just discuss major issues at hand without any mudslinging AND on top of that team up to attack Trump, then THAT would be both refreshing and unexpected, and the RNC/Trump would not know what to do.
The DNC and Bernie agree on some things, but ultimately, Bernie wants to essentially dissolve the party system by attacking the concept of capitalism (hear me out).
Had Bernie never said he was socialist, he might have had a shot, but now the DNC doesn't care.
Both parties have many big businesses with their fingers in the parties' pockets; this is why I stopped declaring myself as a democrat. The head of the DNC has been reported to have accepted funding from major alcohol and liquor companies to demonize cannabis despite data supporting its medical usage.
Both parties have fallen down the rabbit hole, but that is just my opinion; I don't expect it to accepted by many, but it upsets me that people think that democrats are angels vs the GOP. Neither party really has truly good intentions IMHO.
I wish the U.S. would get over the whole "party" system...
No, different elections. Primary picks dem candidate, general election picks between the dem and rep (and some irrelevants)
Glad to see Bernie stay in. His talk of winning is pretty transparent wishful thinking (to keep people engaged), I'd like to see a gradual shift towards reforming the party. Hard to do that in the midst of primary season though
Lol some of you want him to roll over. Democracy is there for all. If he wants to continue running then I see no problem as long as there are enough people backing him. Really feels warped how some can't handle competition.
People are flat out mad at him for daring to stay in the race. It's not so hard to assume that people are making up shit as justification.
Basically this.
We've been so brainwashed into thinking what an election should be that when this stuff starts happening, we throws shitfits.
Right and wrong. The Democratic party is important but not more important than a democratic party equip with actual progressive values. It's certainly not more important than democratic principles and keeping one's word.
Jeb/Rubio/Cruz/O'Malley had bullshit to say and are wrong on virtually every issue. Their campaigns were dependent on big-money donors and their inevitable failure meant funds begin to dry up. Their message was also entirely average for a right-wing Republican is a destructive message for America.
Bernie Sander's message is anything but ordinary and needs to reach as many people as possible for the betterment of the American future. If Hillary Clinton is so weak of a candidate that Uncle-at-the-dinner-table, 74-year-old, Socialist, Jew, Bernie sanders costs her a victory against Donald fucking Trump, maybe we shouldn't have voted for her.
Others might call that lying and dishonesty
That's your opinion. He doesn't get any special privileges just because you like him. I'm sure even Cruz had supporters that thought his message was the only thing important and the only thing stopping the destruction of America. By the way there's nothing special about Bernie's message, it's just populist garbage like Trumps, but without racism
Lol some of you want him to roll over. Democracy is there for all. If he wants to continue running then I see no problem as long as there are enough people backing him. Really feels warped how some can't handle competition.
Not to single you out directly... But basically every one one of his campaign promises requires congressional support.
Which:
A) He apparently doesn't care about
B) Refuses to support down ticket races which could possibly make any of his promises possible.
C) Repeatedly describes this nebulous 'revolution' as some kind of plan.
I don't get it. Even Jake Tapper tried to ask him this question last night, and he dodged that too.
Bernie Sander's message is anything but ordinary and needs to reach as many people as possible for the betterment of the American future. If Hillary Clinton is so weak of a candidate that Uncle-at-the-dinner-table, 74-year-old, Socialist, Jew, Bernie sanders costs her a victory against Donald fucking Trump, maybe we shouldn't have voted for her.
Presidential elections aren't about rewarding the candidate for campaigning so hard. It's about us. Millions of people whose lives will be affected in a significant way for decades to come depending on whether Trump or Clinton wins in November.
I don't want Hillary to win because it's "her turn". I want her to win because that's what would give me, my friends, my loved ones, my future children, and hundreds of millions of other people (Bernie Sanders included) the best possible life for the next several decades.
If I look at it from Bernie's perspective, I think he still wants to push Hillary further left if indeed he's destined to lose, and through debates.
Bernie hasn't been "competition" for months and there aren't enough people backing him. He's just wasting time and money, among other things.
The democrats lose elections by going national and refusing to support local candidates that people can actually get excited about. They alienate state parties and local grassroots movements unless they play ball with establishment politics and money. In turn, we see decline in democratic membership and low voter turnout.
The future of the democratic party is not pretty and the party has no one to blame but itself.
It's objectively quite special in the context of American politics, particularly with how well its gained traction among the youth. I think you'd have to be in a peculiar state of denial to disagree with that.
I'm not saying electing him will change everything overnight...
Bernie's not reaching anyone with his "message" anymore. He's given the same stump speech for over a year. The only difference is his surrogates have now entered an unholy alliance with right wing pundits to paint Hillary as corrupt and dishonest. All this is doing is fueling Trump's campaign in the general, not make her a better candidate. It would be one thing if Bernie still had a shot at winning, but there's no feasible way for him to get the nomination. Hillary is America's best hope for progressive policymaking at this point. So what is Bernie going to accomplish by attacking her?
How "special" can the message be since he losing so badly? Maybe you should instead talk about how much more special Hillary's message has to be since it appeals to many more people.
Participating in the Democratic election equals wasting his time apparently. Stop being salty for crying out loud.
No you are actually incorrect here. Bernie has numerously stated that without Congress there is no way he can achieve what he wants. He is very aware of this. His political revolution isn't about solely him. He coined that to reference the need and urgency to get back the House. I'm not saying electing him will change everything overnight, but it will absolutely be a step in the right direction. We can sit around and let the same crap happen over and over or we can ignite the spark that will jump start some change.
Like many have said, it's not about him getting the nomination. It's about spreading his message. You can't fault him for repeating his very specific substantive policies again and again and, in the same breath, claim he's not reaching anyone new. He factually is. You are factually wrong. When Bernie campaigns in a state, his poll numbers go up. Why does this occur? Because some people are learning of his message and choosing to side with him. If everyone already knew of his positions and either agreed or disagreed with it, polling numbers would be static. You know this is obviously not the case, so why bother with this line of reasoning?
H.A. Goodman is for real, as in he's a person who unironically believes what he's typing, but practically nothing about his articles should ever be taken seriously.
Nope. Its HA Goodman. Poligaf has a long running joke about him.
The guy is basically nuts - he's a Clinton equivalent of a birther. He spews forth a torrent of articles saying the same thing constantyl across multiple media outlets.