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Nvidia Kepler - Geforce GTX680 Thread - Now with reviews

gatti-man

Member
The Samaritan story was the first thing NVIDIA has done/said/revealed, period. It's everyone else who's speculating like mad and pulling "facts" out of their asses.

Not true it got a huge kickstart when an nvidia shill made duplicate accounts on some tech site and started spreading rumours. That's how this thread got started in the first place.
 

pestul

Member
I can't believe how even the CeBit article is mostly rumours. 670ti (if the image is real) means it should be quite fast though.. I guess depending on which model that is.
 

artist

Banned
I can't believe how even the CeBit article is mostly rumours. 670ti (if the image is real) means it should be quite fast though.. I guess depending on which model that is.
That CeBIT article is decent, nothing there stands out rumorish. It's also the first article to spill the beans on the dynamic clocking.
 

pestul

Member
VR Zone mentioned the hotclocks quite a while back and it was dismissed then. I'm thinking now that this card will be the flagship card for quite some time. The pic in this thread is wrong btw as it's a GTX570ti.. the card will indeed be a GTX680.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038472599&postcount=89

Kyle_Bennett HardOCP Editor-in-Chief, 14.8 Years

Status: Kyle_Bennett is offline
You will start to see benchmark leaks and such probably in the next couple of days. I think most of those will be at less than 2560 resolution. And let's face it, you don't need a flagship card for resolution that small. Honestly, like always, we are going to have to put it through [H] large resolution gaming paces before we make a call on where it is compared to 7970. I think the 680 will be faster but by how much, we don't know yet, and I have seen NO MSRPs confirmed.

Sounds like a good card for the 1080p gamer. Faster than the 7970 for general use at lower rez. What this also means is that the card will be well over $400 I'm guessing for the performance competition.

On the other hand Vr-zone

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-...r-dynamic-clocking-2-and-4gb-gddr5/15148.html

The rumored performance is a mixed bag between HD 7870 and HD 7970: 10% faster than Radeon HD 7970 in Battlefield 3, but 10% slower in 3DMark11.

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-...king-2-and-4gb-gddr5/15148.html#ixzz1oZwGhCqK

Hilarious.. can't wait to see the leaked benches.
 

pestul

Member
i keep seeing this thread, why hasn't nvidia launched their new shit?

They should have cards out by the end of the Month from the latest rumblings. No one is sure of how many though. We should see some NDA breaks within the next few days on review cards according to Kyle at HardOCP.
 

pestul

Member
They are just translating the heise.de article here.

Yeah, I should have noticed the ":" after the 'mixed bag between' part. Then finishing off with the same thing mentioned in the CeBit article. Kyle seems to hint that the GTX680 might be faster than the 7970 across the board at 1080p though.
 

artist

Banned
Kyle seems to hint that the GTX680 might be faster than the 7970 across the board at 1080p though.
His earlier comment was that it was not the case with a disclaimer that drivers were not mature, so his expectations are that it would end up faster eventually with review drivers.
 
has this been posted?


gtx670TI

Kepler-GTX670Ti.jpg



http://wccftech.com/nvidia-kepler-gk104-gpu-shot-leaked-geforce-logo-unveiled/


:) my body is... quite prepared indeed!
 
There is a VR-Zone quote (here) that I'd like to comment on:

When it comes to availability, partners are typically saying one thing in public, and another thing behind closed doors. The availability isn’t known, and it won’t be known until partners receive launch quantities. The estimations we heard went from pessimistic “small quantities of Kepler graphics cards only”, “no overclocking boards at launch” to “they had the first silicon in September 2011, they (NVIDIA) must have to stacked up the chips to flood the market and claw the market and mindshare back”.

The bolded part is very interesting. I know developers who had working Kepler parts back in November-December.
 
Not looking good on availability imo. AMD has had trouble keeping 28nm parts that have been out for months in stock, plus rumor of TSMC shutting down 28nm temporarily recently. Plus Nvidia has usually had worse yield problems than AMD in recent times.

Availability will likely be pathetic unless the price is commensurately high.
 
It seems numbers saying it would be between a 7950 and 7970 are for a 670ti. 680 seems 500 points faster in 3dmark extreme ( 3500 ) than 7970.
 
At highest resolutions though it's somewhat doomed to struggle due to 256 bus/lack of bandwidth.

Nvidia is supposedly launching a 670ti on March 12 too???
 

gatti-man

Member
There is a VR-Zone quote (here) that I'd like to comment on:



The bolded part is very interesting. I know developers who had working Kepler parts back in November-December.

If they really did hold back parts then someone should be fired. Why would anyone do that? Charge a premium when parts are low, get your high end money then drop the price when parts become more available or there is competition.

Those bolded quotes are like saying "nvidia had the parts ready but they decided nah lets let amd get to market first and charge a premium, we already have plenty of money" It BS.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
If they really did hold back parts then someone should be fired. Why would anyone do that? Charge a premium when parts are low, get your high end money then drop the price when parts become more available or there is competition.

Those bolded quotes are like saying "nvidia had the parts ready but they decided nah lets let amd get to market first and charge a premium, we already have plenty of money" It BS.

You could say that about any product. They're stockpiling 3DS' for launch? Why not sell the first 25,000 3 months early for 500.00 dollars. The early adopters would buy it!
 

gatti-man

Member
You could say that about any product. They're stockpiling 3DS' for launch? Why not sell the first 25,000 3 months early for 500.00 dollars. The early adopters would buy it!

Not a real comparison. Consoles need games to be ready and a certain scale of product to be ready for launch. Not to mention online/OS and infrastructure ready. Even then consoles sold out plenty. The 360 and wii both experienced sell outs. I dont even want to continue that comparison because it so flawed. So I will end that here.

The PC has games already available and a system already in place with wallets open to pay for the biggest and best. Anyone remember the X800 XT PE? That never was really in stores and prices soared. You take your profit asap in a hardware world. Nvidia knows this as does amd with their $600 7970.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
Not a real comparison. Consoles need games to be ready and a certain scale of product to be ready for launch. Not to mention online/OS and infrastructure ready. Even then consoles sold out plenty. The 360 and wii both experienced sell outs. I dont even want to continue that comparison because it so flawed. So I will end that here.

The PC has games already available and a system already in place with wallets open to pay for the biggest and best. Anyone remember the X800 XT PE? That never was really in stores and prices soared. You take your profit asap in a hardware world. Nvidia knows this as does amd with their $600 7970.

It's not flawed in the sense your whole argument is flawed.

If they're getting low yields, of course they'd need to stockpile. And yeah, I suppose you could sell this part at a high MSRP and then drop MSRP when production ramps up. But is it worth the PR hit for such a swarmy move?

And that assumes this is true. Which is questionable.
 

gatti-man

Member
It's not flawed in the sense your whole argument is flawed.

If they're getting low yields, of course they'd need to stockpile. And yeah, I suppose you could sell this part at a high MSRP and then drop MSRP when production ramps up. But is it worth the PR hit for such a swarmy move?

And that assumes this is true. Which is questionable.

What PR hit? This is the way GPUs have been for EVER( and anything in a free market). When I bought my 7970 it was sold out almost every where. Was anyone complaining about that? no. They were complaining about price but it wasnt negative PR because everyone knew why it was so expensive. You pay to play.

Thats also not what the quote says. If you have tiny yields not worth a launch thats one thing but the bolded quote I was responding to suggested they would "flood the market" which is just rampantly stupid.
 

1-D_FTW

Member
What PR hit? This is the way GPUs have been for EVER( and anything in a free market). When I bought my 7970 it was sold out almost every where. Was anyone complaining about that? no. They were complaining about price but it wasnt negative PR because everyone knew why it was so expensive. You pay to play.

Thats also not what the quote says. If you have tiny yields not worth a launch thats one thing but the bolded quote I was responding to suggested they would "flood the market" which is just rampantly stupid.

I don't wanna argue either. There's so much info that conflicts, I wouldn't believe anything.

And my point about PR is this: If they were selling a 570ti for 499.99 and then dropped that identical hardware to 299.99 a couple months later. With no changes. People would bitch. And I don't know why you're bringing up the 7970. This is exactly what you're saying Nvidia should have done. I'm saying if AMD drops the 7970 by a couple hundred dollars next month, plenty of people will be bitching.

But it's all moot. Because it just seems like a bunch of FUD.
 
I lol at the fact that they censor it like Japanese porn. You're already leaking the fucking thing, just go all the way instead of trying to be cool and tease it out one morsel at a time.
 
I don't give a shit about any of this shit, nvidia is late and there is no hint at price. Only way I give a shit is if it launches a bad assed part at 200 dollars that rivals the 8800 GT in cost/performance
 

Aeana

Member
So is nVidia expected to launch the higher tier cards in this series before the lower/mid tier ones this time around?
 

Fixed1979

Member
From B3D.


Basically confirms 1536 CCs if its 48 per SM.

Was just posting this...should be an interesting weekend/Monday.


I lol at the fact that they censor it like Japanese porn. You're already leaking the fucking thing, just go all the way instead of trying to be cool and tease it out one morsel at a time.

They haven't leaked anything, the top two images and the bottom set are different sources. One is doing a review and the other is a Chinese forum.


I find it quite funny that they censor the plastic case, but not the interior. It's like censoring clothes instead of the body.


Sigh, I've updated my post so it's clear that the two sets of pictures are from very different sources. Sorry for the confusion, I thought it was more clear than it actually was.
 
I lol at the fact that they censor it like Japanese porn. You're already leaking the fucking thing, just go all the way instead of trying to be cool and tease it out one morsel at a time.

I find it quite funny that they censor the plastic case, but not the interior. It's like censoring clothes instead of the body.
 

Fixed1979

Member
Does this make sense to anyone?

GTranslate said:
The GK104 670TI dual DVI + HDMI + DP interface, dual-6P-powered turbine radiator performance lags behind the number of 79 705% and then "680" has the same SP broke the news: The brush bios can improve the performance of 40% (as you believe it or not I Anyway, the letter) strongly despise the ZOL forum reproduced the photo and hold the original link! ! ! The paste has been synchronized to the admin microblogging

original said:
GK104 670TI 双DVI + HDMI +DP接口 双6P供电 涡轮散热器

性能落后7970 5%左右

然后和“680”具有相同的SP数量

爆料:通过刷bios可提高40%的性能(至于你信不信 我反正信了)

强烈鄙视ZOL论坛转载照片 不放原文链接!!!
该贴已经同步到 admin的微博

Link


5% under the 7970 but you can unlock through the bios for a 40% increase? What?
 

Elios83

Member
So is nVidia expected to launch the higher tier cards in this series before the lower/mid tier ones this time around?

Everyone is making up their own version, I was left at 'mid-range in March/April, high end in fall due to shitty yields'.
 

Aeana

Member
Everyone is making up their own version, I was left at 'mid-range in March/April, high end in fall due to shitty yields'.

Ah, so nobody really knows. Sorry, I didn't know. My 560Ti died and Gigabyte are being jerks about it, so I figured I might just go ahead and get the equivalent 600 model upgrade if it's coming out soon.
 

Theonik

Member
So is nVidia expected to launch the higher tier cards in this series before the lower/mid tier ones this time around?
If it's the 670 then it's a deviation from nVidia's record of releasing the high end first. Rumours seem to be converging on the 670Ti, though we don't really know yet. We should know soon though. Looks like this puppy is about to blow.
Red herrings aside.
 

dr_rus

Member
Ah, so nobody really knows. Sorry, I didn't know. My 560Ti died and Gigabyte are being jerks about it, so I figured I might just go ahead and get the equivalent 600 model upgrade if it's coming out soon.
GK104 based cards are coming this month. GK106 and GK107 will follow in April. GK110 which is a faster GPU than GK104 should probably launch sometime this summer but that may change.
 

Aeana

Member
GK104 based cards are coming this month. GK106 and GK107 will follow in April. GK110 which is a faster GPU than GK104 should probably launch sometime this summer but that may change.

I don't know what any of those numbers mean. :( I just want whatever the 600 series's 460/560 Ti equivalent is.
 

tokkun

Member
I don't know what any of those numbers mean. :( I just want whatever the 600 series's 460/560 Ti equivalent is.

None of us really know what those numbers mean in terms of products. They are different chip designs, but we don't know what actual retail products will come from which chips. The 560TI equivalent might come from lower binned GK104 chips or they might come from GK106 chips. At this point all you can get are rumors and speculation. Maybe we will have something more concrete from this event going on Monday.
 

artist

Banned
There is no event on Monday, it was a press event/media briefing and it's already over. See the press kit photo from phk posted above. Charlie seems to think that the NDA expires on Monday and we'll get reviews but I'm not holding any bets on it.

GK104 will be 680. From a design perspective, its the successor to the GF114 or the 560Ti. But due to product positioning, Nvidia feels they can brand it as a 680. Chips below GK104 - GK106 (May) & GK106 (April) are replacements for GF116 (550Ti) & GF108 (530) but may end up being branded as higher numbers just like GK104. And there will be a dual GK104, very soon.

GK110 is different from from GK104 in more ways than GF110 was to GF114. It might get a showing at Computex.
 
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