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NVIDIA: PS4 GPU 3x less powerful than Titan, but more powerful than Xbox 720
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LiquidMetal14
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It does make me chuckle to see nvidia bring up their top of the line 1k GPU compared to what is likely a set of 3-500 dollar boxes that deliver pretty good performance.
I think nvidia has no bearing or can even say how good things will be on next gen. If this last gen is anything to go by then we will have some great looking games for years on next gen consoles.
I will still be there on PC ready to buy most of the games and play them at higher settings but I don't think the early part of next gen will see much of a tangible difference between the consoles and PC. You will still have great things on PC like mod support and editing settings plus customization.
I think nvidia has no bearing or can even say how good things will be on next gen. If this last gen is anything to go by then we will have some great looking games for years on next gen consoles.
I will still be there on PC ready to buy most of the games and play them at higher settings but I don't think the early part of next gen will see much of a tangible difference between the consoles and PC. You will still have great things on PC like mod support and editing settings plus customization.
Yes, I was careful to qualify that I was talking about the hardware side.
However if we want to factor in software costs...I think it should be said that an awful lot of console software gets sold well below RRP (second hand etc.), and new services like PS+ offer incredible value. Accumulating large libraries at relatively low cost won't be the sole preserve of Steam sales anymore. PC is better value on day one software in many places, but it's a bit more complicated than that, I think.
I think the problem with PC is there are a lot of unknown factors when it comes to determining value over the length of a cycle, whereas consoles do bring a lot of those factors upfront. Consumers like to reduce risk.
The Jason
Member
The chart is about GPU Flops. The PS4 GPU is capable of 1.84 TFlops according to the specs, which is pretty good. This chart says the Titan is 3x that (which its not), but anyone expecting anything close to a Titan in a game console is crazy.
The Next gen consoles are not weak, they look mid-range on paper but they will be able to run games much more efficiently, and so will be competitive with high-end PCs for a few years.
The Next gen consoles are not weak, they look mid-range on paper but they will be able to run games much more efficiently, and so will be competitive with high-end PCs for a few years.
Canis lupus
Member
Latest gpus in consoles=more expensive=bigger consoles=more heating issues=longer gens.
I'm happy consoles don't have the latest in tech. Next gen should be shorter due to consoles not having exotic architectures and manufacturers faster return on investment.
I'm happy consoles don't have the latest in tech. Next gen should be shorter due to consoles not having exotic architectures and manufacturers faster return on investment.
I have PC hooked up to my TV as well, and using anything but a controller flat out sucks ass. It's a pain to have the keyboard laying on your lap and even more of a pain to have the mouse on the couch or bringing a table close by to lay on it. It just doesn't work as good as a controller. You can just get by using a controller on a console but you can't do that on a PC. That is why I gave up on it, removed the GPU and sold it, and just use it for acestream.
So you did not want to upgrade from a card that uses about 200Watts to a card that only uses 140Watts because you think the computer that ran the higher power could not run it?!!!!
A card that is also an inch shorter!
Unbelievable!
SniperHunter
Banned
eh? this is really questionable. Luminous engine runs smoothly on PS4, Killzone Shadow Fall was impressive and was actually a game and not a tech demo and it featured all the effects that were missing in the Epic demo (depth of field, higher particle count, better lighting etc), Drive Club is a racing game so not comparable, Infamous second son - it was just a tease and yea it didn't look at that great. Knack looks like a cartoon but isn't comparable to Epic's tech.
And that's about it, I wouldn't Epic on some sort of pedestal. I beat Uncharted 3 then I started Spec Ops on PS3 and Uncharted 3 looked about 5x better than any UE3 game I have played on my PS3.
edit: Epic's tech is only great on a high end PC, where it runs at 60 FPS with all the features with super sample AA.
alexandros
Banned
I really have no idea. We'll have to see actual games running on both PC and PS4, benchmark modern GPUs to determine how they stack up and then we'll be able to calculate with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I think it's a pretty safe bet that the % will be much higher than the PS360 generation but I'm not ready to nail down a specific figure.
Very true, which is why PC gaming needs a device like the Steambox to break into the mainstream market.
Indeed it is. I was not impressed by the original Elemental demo, but I do consider it better than what we saw in Killzone. Of course this is highly subjective and I have no interest in claiming that my opinion is the correct one.
Nope, they all have the same architecture. Both consoles have very similar APIs. Ports are not going to be a hassle.
SniperHunter
Banned
Killzone Shadow Fall impressed me a lot. The level of detail was very high with minimal pop ups, the real time reflections on the walls and the ground were very impressive, featured high quality motion blur & depth of field, all the bodies stayed on the ground and didn't disappear, the lighting was good. I am guessing the graphics will improve as the get closer to launch, especially the FX. Looking foward to seeing more at E3 and of course Epic's Durango game as well.
AquaMotley
Banned
Do tell me about the smooth way of interfacing windows with your 360 controller.
Wireless keyboard sounds very comfortable on a couch as well.
Is this is a joke? Seriously?
They created this thing called Big Picture Mode on Steam....
From this link:
I gotta say, I laughed when I read that considering GAF discussions on this topic.
Salty claims redeemed? Lol!!!
Seriously now nVidia is just giving their spin to the last consoles developments. As they should. They are in the same business as AMD and they should react to the market.
Steam is not an OS, and not many games support a completeley mouse/keyboard free experience on a PC.
Tell me how you enter your name in Skyrim on a PC without a keyboard or mouse.
Steam can run all of your games through a controller friendly UI, of all the things you're worried about it's putting in a name in Skyrim? Something you could just lean over to your wireless keyboard and accomplish in about 3 seconds?
Why would you play a game that isn't controller friendly with a controller? You can use this thing called a wireless mouse and keyboard.
You don't hook your PC up to a TV to play Hearts of Iron 3.
this needs new thread:
http://www.techradar.com/news/gamin...-gave-it-the-hardware-nvidia-couldn-t-1141607
Ludicrous Speed
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Wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360? And that didn't work out too well for Sony. In other words, who cares?
Every port on pc has controller support and most Indie games support it too. When I turn my pc on all I have to do is just hit the home button on my controller and i get big screen mode. And if I want to use my mouse and keyboard the top of my coffee table detaches from the base and hovers over my lap. Stop bringing 2005 logic to this.
go to steamapps/common/skyrim rename TESV.exe to SkyrimLauncher.exe
Or just having a cheap wireless mouse should not be a problem.
Only with heavy usage of the Cell (and even then it could not over come the lack of bandwidth and split memory pool).
Processing power is important.
Apparently not. I wish there was a way to block threads.
That's all they have left, pretty much any game you can play with a controller has controller support on PC.
cheezcake
Member
Nvidia said their ps3 GPU demolished the ati xbox 360 GPU, it didn't.
I think theirs point was comparison of current gen and next-gen. At the start of current gen high end GPU worth 600$ [7800GTX] was as powerful as consoles, then next year 8800GTX came out for similar price and it was 80-100% more powerful, but today they have GPU that is more expensive but 300% faster and its available half a year before next-gen console even launched.
They also have GTX 680 that cost 500$ and was launched year ago and still is 200% more powerful than next-gen consoles.
It shows that this gen will be outdated faster, especially when next gpu series came out and that was probably point of Nvidia.
Ps. Anyone who laughs at Titan's price, need to understand that GTX 780 that will launch next year, will cost around 500$ and have similar performance and 760Ti will have performance equal to GTX 680 and will cost around 300$.
SniperHunter
Banned
yea I want that function too! I accidently clicked on the bioshock infinite spoiler thread this morning :O
AquaMotley
Banned
Lovely, that'll work wonders with my fifa 13 game on Origin I'm sure.
FordGTGuy said:
There's that comfortable keyboard again. PC couch gaming needs only 2 input devices so far!
I'm sure you have a very comfortable wireless mous for the couch as well, if the need would arise for such an input.
There's that ignorance shining through again, keyboard and mouse use would take up probably less than 1% of the time you played games in this fashion.
Textual input and opening Steam is pretty much about it....
Tell me how to do that with only a controller?
Mouse/KB on couch = instafail. Do not underestimate the usability and practicality of a device that does not need multiple uncomfortable input devices to accomplish a task.
Just Cause 2, Skyrim, Mass Effect, Fifa 2013? Those are pretty big titles you know.
Also good luck playing shooters with a controller on a PC when everyone else has mouse/KB. Console evens the playing field.
Clearly your mind is already made up what's the point of continuing with your obvious trolling?
So you have to use the mouse to click play? boohoo. Of course not every single game is going to work but most do including Just Cause 2 and Skyrim.
Keep telling yourself that, I've killed plenty of people competitively using a controller in shooters on PC including ARMA 3 Alpha.
DragonSworne
Banned
Biggest news out of this thread is nvidia thinks Xbox720 is coming out after PS4 and it will be weaker as well.
wow MS, you better have something good...
wow MS, you better have something good...
RibbedHero
Member
Playing online shooters with a controller? PC gives you the choice, though I struggle to see why someone would want to use a controller.
AquaMotley
Banned
You're the one doing all the ignoring. You dismissed an important part of "comfy couch gaming"; that is, using 1 input device (the controller) for everything. Using the OS, the apps, browsing and gaming.
And in a couple of posts we went from only occasionally using a keyboard (comfy) to also using the mouse as well, defeating the purpose of comfy couch gaming. Having a mouse/keyboard on the (side)table somewhere is NOT comfortable.
Doesn't matter if it's less than 1% of the time ... it should be 0%.
You're the one with the abrasive and attacking writing style not me, i.e. "boohoo". What I say is supported by sales figures and PC usage scenarios.
The key to sales is ease of use. PC is not easy to use and will never be easy to use unless you can buy one that directly boots to Steam, comes with a controller, NEVER requires dropping back to windows or any other input method (motion games notwithstanding), and all games (except motion) can work with a controller.
Play something more than 3 people know about like COD or Battlefield and let's see how you fare.
Give me a break sweetheart, don't break a nail.
Did you just say ARMA 3 isn't well known?
Metalmurphy
Member
It was slightly more powerful and much much harder to work with.
Now the difference seems to be bigger, and it's much much easier to work with. (Not easier then 720, easier then PS3)
Because ARMA is such a twitch shooter right? lol. Play me on anything, and I'm not even that good.
You haven't really played ARMA 3 competitively have you?
AquaMotley
Banned
Exactly the response you'd expect from someone who has no arguments left. The matter is settled then.
Doing it with a mouse once is not a big deal.
I did not say anything about using a keyboard! A mouse is fine for everything you would need to do!
Just Cause 2, Skyrim and FIFA 2013 should (based on the older games I have played) all support controllers! The only one of the 4 that does not is Mass Effect!
Stop stating incorrect info!
Whatever let's you sleep at night.
Metalmurphy
Member
No one has played Arma 3 competitively.
But no really, play me on anything right now with a controller.
What drugs are you on? People have been playing ARMA 3 competitively since the Alpha launched.
I didn't say M/KB wasn't better I just said the idea that M/KB completely dominates the controller is overblown, I've played plenty on multiplayer games with a controller and felt completely competent with it compared to the competition.
Omnistalgic
Member
Isn't that the reality of the situation?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-playstation-4
Except it is.
Mouse is off limits for couch gaming, and so is a keyboard.
How do you enter your name on Skyrim with a controller? And Fifa 13 working well with a controller must be the reason huge threads like these exist. Blame the Fifa problem on EA all you want but the console versions don't have these issues.
Let's compare it's sales figures with COD or Battlefield. You don't see commercials for Arma on TV or even on gaming networks like G4TV.FordGTGuy said:
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Regarding this PC comfy couch vs console squirmish makes me realize just how ridiculous such a debate is. Thank you to all parties. You have stopped me from ever getting involved in future debates. Ugh.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Best post in the thread.
Strawman arguments never solve anything.
Because of DayZ ARMA 3 is quite well known now in the PC shooter world.
How do you compare sales of a game that hasn't even come out yet and is only on a single platform to Battlefield and CoD?