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GaviotaGrande
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Krappadizzle
Member
It's the same thing. The only thing they could improve on the the 3080 Standard is to either add more memory, which is what's happening. OR give it the same BUS as the 3090 and/or add more memory.
But the TI versions are always 20-30% faster than the base xx80 version. That’s what makes it a TI. If it’s not faster then it’s not a TI. No TI card has ever been just a VRAM upgrade???
Or are you saying that the card that will be slotted into the position that was formerly taken up by the TI version will be the tweaked 3080 version? You must be saying that?
Either way, it looks like we won’t be getting a faster version of the 3080 that runs almost as fast as the 3090, but costs less (which, again, is what the TI was all about).
EDIT: I don’t think I’m speaking for just myself here.... weren’t some of you hoping for a TI version, say, 6 months from now? I sure was.
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
This. But there's so much crap and disinformation out there right now that I don't know what to trust.
The Last Ninja
Member
I thought there wasn't enough room between the 3080 & 3090 (besides VRAM) for a Ti. Nvidia themselves are saying 10-15% performance difference at 4K and below. AIB partners could just slap another 10GB on, but that's not a new model and Nvidia wouldn't necessarily need to manufacture or announce it.
nemiroff
Gold Member
How could they add more performance to the 3080 for a Ti version when the gap towards the 3090 is only 15-20% (at best), there's simply no possible room for a Ti.
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The Last Ninja
Member
Hopefully, although that will surely cannibalize 3090 sales.
Krappadizzle
Member
I think a lot of us were hoping for a what you speak of, essentially a 20% boost over the 3080, but with how little a performance differential there is between the 3080 and 3090, there's not much room for a Ti model in between. Which, in other generations would be reason to be upset, but with how much performance we are getting from the 3080, there's no real reason to be upset. More memory is just a nice buffer and offers some overhead for the 3080 to help a bit with future proofing.
Krappadizzle
Member
This has been what we've all been saying for the better part of the last 2 weeks.
DemonCleaner
Member
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Rikkori
Member
Usually the Ti skus are based on a superior chip which would be used for Titans. In this case 3090 & 3080 share the same chip but a bit cut down for the latter. So there's a lot less room to make a further cut for it. It's still possible, but I don't think it's likely.
TheContact
Member
Very likely
| Gigabyte RTX 3060 (Ti/SUPER) | Gigabyte RTX 3070 16GB (Ti/SUPER) | Gigabyte RTX 3080 20GB |
|---|---|---|
| GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 30 Series (unreleased) | ||
| Gigabyte RTX 3060 (Ti/SUPER) EAGLE OC8GB GV-3060SEAGLE OC-8GD | Gigabyte RTX 3070 (Ti/SUPER) GAMING OC 16GB GV-3070SGAMING OC-16GD | Gigabyte RTX 3080 GAMING OC 20GB GV-308GAMING OC-20GD |
| Gigabyte RTX 3070 (Ti/SUPER) AORUS MASTER 16GB GV-307SAORUS M-16GD | Gigabyte RTX 3080 AORUS MASTER 20GB GV-308SAORUS M-20GD |
Below: watch dogs compatbility, compare it to the 20GB SKU
Also a 3060 likely as well:
| VideoCardz | GPU | Board (FE/Ref) | CUDA Cores | Memory | Launch Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RTX 3090 | 8nm GA102-300 | PG136/132 SKU 30 | 10496 | 24GB G6X | September 24th |
| RTX 3080 20GB | 8nm GA102-TBC | PG133/132 SKU 20 | 8704 | 20GB G6X | After Big Navi |
| RTX 3080 10GB | 8nm GA102-200 | PG133/132 SKU 10 | 8704 | 10GB G6X | September 17th |
| RTX 3070 Ti/SUPER | 8nm GA104-TBC | PG142/141 SKU 10 | 6144 | 16GB G6 | After Big Navi |
| RTX 3070 | 8nm GA104-300 | PG142/141 SKU 10 | 5888 | 8GB G6 | October 15th |
| RTX 3060 Ti/SUPER | 8nm GA104-200 | PG190 SKU 20 | 4864 | 8GB G6 | Late October |
| RTX 3060 | TBCnm GA106 | TBC | TBC | TBC | No date |
Allnamestakenlol
Member
I guess that's true. In some ways I still base their offerings and the performance differences between said offerings on the older gens, like the 7xx and 9xx series. Remember when the x90 cards were dual gpu? Ah, those were the days.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You've gamed at 8K on an 8K screen before?
GaviotaGrande
Banned
It will be noticeable but not as noticeable as the jump from 1080p to 4k (x4 vs x2).
I'm also wondering how noticeable it will be on most popular TV sizes for sofa gaming (55/65 inches). On a big ass 80+ inch TV obviously it will make a huge difference...
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I tried 8k on my 4k 27" monitor and it looked amazing in ds3 but 14 fps
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It really depends on the end user's past experience, the viewing conditions, and the equipment. There's a lot of variables out there.
Take your first sentence, for example. It's biased towards an enthusiast point of view in that it assumes the average person is going from 4K to 8K. It completely disregards the possibility of someone's mind getting blown by going from 1080p to 8K.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Wrong person lol
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Senua
Member
Dude...8k and 8k downsampled to 4k is not the same thing.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
It's not biased, it's based on the progression of technology. We went from 720p to 1080p to 4k to now 8k for HD TV resolution.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Even 1080p to 4k is not too justifiable visuals to performance ratio. But it looks sharp and I hate aliasing. 8k downsampling looks like a ground truth render
MightySquirrel
Banned
MightySquirrel
Banned
F* amazon.de 
GaviotaGrande
Banned
True! I don't know what I was thinking to be honest.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Think of it this way,
That is not going to be the end user experience of every person on Earth, because everyone has a slightly different history and so the jump for enthusiasts like us who are very familiar with that progression of technology is going to be very different from someone, say, who is has only really experienced 1080/30p gaming the majority of their life.
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Krappadizzle
Member
It wouldn't be obsolete at all. The memory bus alone is a huge difference not to mention the quality of the memory in GDDR6X being completely different and substantially better than GDDR6. The vast difference in bandwidth alone is what puts the 3080 in a class above the 3070 or any Ti variants.
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
Pointless discussion, I was wrong. 1080p to 4k = the same jump as from 4k to 8k.
It will be noticeable. The bigger the screen, the bigger the difference.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
lol I was so preoccupied with pointing out the importance of acknowledging the subjective difference, I didn't even notice that error.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Yesterday I bought LG CX 65'' and I honestly don't know if more pixels are needed for this screen size and screen viewing distance (~ 2.5 meters). I guess it's one of those things that you don't know that can be better until you see it with your own eyes and then you can't go back.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's what I mean when I stress the importance of viewing conditions and end user experience and history. There are so many variables that influence this subjective viewing experience. The more picky among us could objectively measure things like pixel pitch and viewing distance until screen door effect and other such things, but that just sucks the fun out of what should be an enjoyable entertainment experience.
Ulysses 31
Member
People with 4K screens go back all the time to consoles games at 1080p or even lower with Switch. 8K won't bring a dramatic difference unless it's a very HQ 8K source and then you'd have to be close to the screen to see it.
Rikkori
Member
Yes. I've played around with the ZX you see the reviewers get sent as well as a Sammy (even though that's a faker 8K - low CM).
BWJinxing
Member
I had camped the stock pages yesotray. i had 3 attempts and fucked up.
1) Stepped away to let my cat in and missed stoc
2) Newegg started selling the cards in bundles, and caught people off-guard ... but i forgot my paypal password
3) People caught on to newegg selling the cards as bundles, the website imploded. by the time i got to the shipping speed, all you could buy was the combo add-on.
1) Stepped away to let my cat in and missed stoc
2) Newegg started selling the cards in bundles, and caught people off-guard ... but i forgot my paypal password
3) People caught on to newegg selling the cards as bundles, the website imploded. by the time i got to the shipping speed, all you could buy was the combo add-on.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Is it that hard to implement a queuing system for online retailers?
Krappadizzle
Member
I'd feel so much better if I could just preorder my shit and step away and have them send me my card within a few weeks. I don't mind waiting, I just hate having to camp by my PC to even hope for a spot of a chance that maybe I can order a card.
BWJinxing
Member
I was looking at CDW, and they have some on backorder and will allow you to order one, but there is no guaranty of potential ship date, the prices are abit high, and ive never ordered from them before.
Also thy just have MSI and Zotac
gunslikewhoa
Member
I called them this morning when the TUF said it would be available in 1-3 days. She said that was an error and that they have no idea when they will be getting more 3080s of any flavor.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
I just got off the phone with Microcenter. I was told that there are already over ten people lined up for the RTX 3090! I'm headed there now. Hopefully I can get there before there are twenty people.
Chiggs
Member
Good luck, man!
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Thanks! I can't believe people are already lined up. Damn.
Herr Edgy
Member
Valve got this right. When the Index got back in stock in, what was it, March? It was available for about 3 seconds. But if you managed to push that green button, it was reserved for you. Due to server traffic I couldn't pay for it for multiple hours, yet I still got it once I could finally pay.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I can't believe so many people just have this much cash for gpu laying around.
I would've never expected such a super high end gpu to be so very sought after item