I'm not going down any "route". Jesus.Really going the not all cops route, huh?
Putting aside the racial invective for a moment, how does a thug with transparent self control issues (if the story is true) manage to pass the NYPD's psych evaluations?
I can say from experience that we have "bad cops" in Australia, fuck me it's nowhere near this level of bullshit we read about American cops. What the fuck is wrong with the system over there that lets these fucking idiots through?
When you have 40,000 police, impossible that a few bad ones (few?!) get through.
I'm not going down any "route". Jesus.
Has it really come to the point where if I think generalizing is dumb that it makes me the asshole
whatever, I'm not going step any further into this bog
Glad to see the 3 "good" cops that were there stopped him...
I can say from experience that we have "bad cops" in Australia, fuck me it's nowhere near this level of bullshit we read about American cops. What the fuck is wrong with the system over there that lets these fucking idiots through?
The more stories I read about thuggish and abusive cop behaviour directed at blacks, hispanics or poor whites, the more Im convinced the "system" is fundamentally working the way it was set up to work. American police are as much about enforcing the social status quo (with blacks and hispanics as second class citizens) as they are about crime prevention. Im not saying there is a directive to go out and kick minorities heads in, but its the logical consequence of public policies that target groups that dont have the political clout to seriously fight back.
It's a shame how actual good cops are usually punished for doing the right thing.
The more stories I read about thuggish and abusive cop behaviour directed at blacks, hispanics or poor whites, the more Im convinced the "system" is fundamentally working the way it was set up to work. American police are as much about enforcing the social status quo (with blacks and hispanics as second class citizens) as they are about crime prevention. Im not saying there is a directive to go out and kick minorities heads in, but its the logical consequence of public policies that target groups that dont have the political clout to seriously fight back.
The more stories I read about thuggish and abusive cop behaviour directed at blacks, hispanics or poor whites, the more Im convinced the "system" is fundamentally working the way it was set up to work. American police are as much about enforcing the social status quo (with blacks and hispanics as second class citizens) as they are about crime prevention. Im not saying there is a directive to go out and kick minorities heads in, but its the logical consequence of public policies that target groups that dont have the political clout to seriously fight back.
Sounds like one dumbass ruining it for everyone. The rest of the cops seemed pretty happy to entertain the mother's request.
The three shitheads standing by doing nothing further cement my point about good cops and bad cops. If you think you're a good cop and you don't try to stop the bad ones you're actually full of shit.
I agree that they should have stepped in, but "not fighting the bad ones makes you a bad one" is a pretty dangerous line of thinking that's often been used to harass various groups, from feminists to Muslims to gay people.
The system changes when "good cops" take a stand.
If there was as many "good cops" as people keep pretending there are, and all of them decided enough was enough, policing in the United States would change almost instantly. It wouldn't even require all the protesting and everything else that has proven ineffective so far.
And yet, that hasn't happened. Either there aren't as many good cops as people keep telling me there are, despite being in the overwhelming majority according to some folks, or ...
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You've just taken your first steps into a larger world.
Because an ideology, a religion, and a sexuality are certainly the equivalent of a state regulated organization.
The more stories I read about thuggish and abusive cop behaviour directed at blacks, hispanics or poor whites, the more Im convinced the "system" is fundamentally working the way it was set up to work. American police are as much about enforcing the social status quo (with blacks and hispanics as second class citizens) as they are about crime prevention. Im not saying there is a directive to go out and kick minorities heads in, but its the logical consequence of public policies that target groups that dont have the political clout to seriously fight back.
You must have missed the last part of his post. Here, I'll quote it for you so you don't have to scroll up:What an odd remark considering he never insinuated that they were the same.
various groups, from feminists to Muslims to gay people.
What an odd remark considering he never insinuated that they were the same.
Implying that I would only be satisfied with publishing an article if there is a police version? Yes he was.
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It's a shame how actual good cops are usually punished for doing the right thing.
He certainly insinuated they have the same, or at least comparable, level of culpability for the actions of those in their ranks.
Which is a stupid notion.
Uhh lol. It's their duty to uphold the law, and not meekly stand around while their knuckle dragging pal abuses his authority.I agree that they should have stepped in, but "not fighting the bad ones makes you a bad one" is a pretty dangerous line of thinking that's often been used to harass various groups, from feminists to Muslims to gay people.
He's saying that the argument is comparable, not that the subjects were the same. I dislike when people dismiss the points of a discussion because they don't enjoy the comparisons. It's right up there with the slippery slope and taking logical inferences to their illogical extreme. But I'm not trying to derail the thread with an argument on semantics, so I will just drop my complaint.
So where's the department's side of the story???
What the fuck, why didn't the other cops do anything? It's not enough to just tell him "we're not supposed to act this way", DO something about it.
I wanted to be a cop for such a long time in order to help people, but I've become so disillusioned with them in this country.
Do "good" officers simply not last a long time on the force? Are they shunned by the majority for trying to speak up? I refuse to believe a good portion of them are like this, but, why do the others not report these fuckers? This needs to change, this all needs to fucking change.
What the fuck, why didn't the other cops do anything? It's not enough to just tell him "we're not supposed to act this way", DO something about it.
I wanted to be a cop for such a long time in order to help people, but I've become so disillusioned with them in this country.
Do "good" officers simply not last a long time on the force? Are they shunned by the majority for trying to speak up? I refuse to believe a good portion of them are like this, but, why do the others not report these fuckers? This needs to change, this all needs to fucking change.
What the fuck, why didn't the other cops do anything? It's not enough to just tell him "we're not supposed to act this way", DO something about it.
I wanted to be a cop for such a long time in order to help people, but I've become so disillusioned with them in this country.
Do "good" officers simply not last a long time on the force? Are they shunned by the majority for trying to speak up? I refuse to believe a good portion of them are like this, but, why do the others not report these fuckers? This needs to change, this all needs to fucking change.
Schoolcraft reports being harassed, particularly in 2009, after he began to voice his concerns within the precinct. He was told he needed to increase arrest numbers and received a bad evaluation. The next day, he found a paper in his locker reading: "If you don't like your job, maybe you should get another job."[3]
Schoolcraft reports that the Department directed him toward psychological treatment rather than taking his concerns seriously. When he discussed issues like understaffing and stop-and-frisk with NYPD psychologist Catherine Lamstein, she directed him to surrender his weapons.[3] Schoolcraft was reassigned to a desk job.[3]
for 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police
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Charles barkley doesn't think theres anything to it as well. As he never has the encounters that others describe. In his mansion, in Tempe Arizona...
You would think that if the cops that spoke up got fired for some made up shit that the news would still be littered with interviews with former officers giving their stories. So that's probably not what's happening.
Since this is a frequent go to put down argument for Black people saying the police are fine I'll just point out I'm not rich.
I definitely see a problem because I don't bury my head in the sand when faced with damning evidence. While the statistical probability isn't great it isn't implausible for someone to rarely have problems with the police even if they are brown.
One last thing I'd like to append to my last post:
If you want to look like the bigger man by refusing to continue to argue, refuse to continue to argue.
Continuing to argue but then ending your argument with a declaration that you're not going to argue anymore doesn't make you look like the bigger man, it makes you look like a five year old with their eyes closed and hands over their ears.
You're absolutely right. I should have just given my view and let you retort instead of just trying to end the argument. I was genuinely trying to prevent a derail, but I went about it in the wrong way. What I did was disrespectful to you and I apologise sincerely.
I'm responding more to the "fuck the police" mentality. Indeed, fuck police doing immoral and unethical things. In many places, the whole organization could be rotten. But you can't tell me with a straight face you think most cops in America aren't good people. I feel like people are creating false perceptions of reality, much like they do with Muslims. There are a smaller set of egregious examples of evil, there is a larger set of cops with ingrained problematic and deplorable cultural practices, and there are outdated, flawed, misguided, and malicious parts of code and law that drive bad behavior and bad results all over.People telling you there are good cops are saying it from their perspective. Inherently, this perspective is blocking them from the perspective this mother and others consistently experience. Its so frustrating to see that while you can say "But my friend is a cop and hes good! So not literally every single one is bad!" in the face of the data pointing out the large nation wide problem, that same person can't admit that the system needs a fix. Which shouldn't be a problem for good cops.
Charles barkley doesn't think theres anything to it as well. As he never has the encounters that others describe. In his mansion, in Tempe Arizona... But we need everyone on the same page, as browns don't have enough political clout to change things. Getting everyone on the same page is what the government has rendered impossible through media and laws. But communication between people is creating that conversation. Its a shame it takes so many mistreated/killed people to do it. But we are seeing salt and pepper crowds protesting this shit. The pressure will hopefully continue to mount. And more importantly, with all of the facts coming out, people can no longer double down on their bias/lack of acknowledgement, without some serious mental gymnastics.
Uhh lol. It's their duty to uphold the law, and not meekly stand around while their knuckle dragging pal abuses his authority.
Oh yeah, I agree. Avoiding confrontation was cowardly, but doesn't make them as bad as the abusive cop.
That's a pretty damn low bar to clear.
Oh yeah, I agree. Avoiding confrontation was cowardly, but doesn't make them as bad as the abusive cop.