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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"
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ColdDeckEd
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CoolTrick said:
What do you want Obama to do, slit the guy's throat?
The thing I love about politics though is that if Barack had completely thrown this guy under the bus, Obama critics and pundits would complain that he isn't loyal enough, and that he bends to pressure easily.
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Branduil said:
I'm sorry man I just don't agree with you at all! I just can't imaging an arab country doing that to us if we don't live Iraq.
What if that question was proposed to our government?
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You're right, I'm sure people would've slammed him for not staying loyal to a racist, anti-Semitic, radical bigot!
Deus Ex Machina
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uhh the japanese where going to surrender to the anyways.. there military might was already encircled in china by the ussr... you might say that anyone would defend thier country to th death... but the choices they had was either siberia or surrender to the usa...in that time.. death was prefered to siberia..
uhh the japanese where going to surrender to the anyways.. there military might was already encircled in china by the ussr... you might say that anyone would defend thier country to th death... but the choices they had was either siberia or surrender to the usa...in that time.. death was prefered to siberia..
Because I live in the real world, not some fantasy land where wars can be ended with sunshine and lolipops. Yes, it's unfortunate that innocent people died, it's always unfortunate, but war is a terrible thing, and if you have a chance to end it decisively you should. Japan was hardly some poor innocent country, they started the war with us, and their own atrocities during the war far outstrip the atomic bombs.duketogo88 said:
I just skipped to the back of the thread so I have no idea how this topic ended up here, but you have a pretty fucking naive view this. It was the Japanese's fault. They brought it upon themselves, and the alternative of a land invasion would have been worse for them and much worse for us. One thing I always wonder about is why the US gets endless shit from people for the atomic bombings on Japan but you never hear a peep out of those retards about bombing campaigns by other countries that resulted in similar casualties (I'm thinking of one in particular by Britain, I think in germany), especially considering they didn't end the war. I guess dying in a small explosion is okay.duketogo88 said:
Branduil said:
The point was about not needing to nuke them. The arrogance of the military faction that wanted to fight to death was only compounded by the faction in the US military that wanted to test out their new super-weapon or demonstrate it's capabilities.
Consider that the US has never used the bomb in such a way ever again, not even against the Chinese military during the Korean War, where one would have thought an atomic bomb would have the greatest strategic use. The MacArthur that felt the Japanese were on the verge of surrendering anyway was the same one who felt they needed to drop dozens of A-bombs onto North Korea during that war.
This recalcitrance to use the bomb in it's ongoing wars seems to indicate that the US learned not to use it in the same way ever again. Today, most of the world would consider such use on any populace an immediate atrocity, including Americans. The only ones that consider it valid, are those with too much pride to admit that mistakes were made and that no military force operates with flawless judgment.
Branduil said:
the nukes... where just posturing to show to the ussr what new toy the usa had got... japan was already broken and they where actively trying to surrendor to the usa.. cuz they didnt want to be invaded and half thier population sent to siberia.. JAPAN FEARED USSR.. the a bombs as i said was the usa posturing .. since the usa accepted the same terms that japan offered the usa before the bombing.. to not excute the emperor.. the japanese army in china was promptly encircled and destroyed.. the majority surrendored and where sent to gulags in siberia.. guess how many came back?
my point is... and others points are.. is that japan was already finished.. the war was over.. all that was needed was for the terms to be agreed upon.. but the usa wanted to SHOW its power before hand... those lives didnt need to have been snuffed out.. and the consequences of those attacks still live on by other generations... if we where the good guys.. why did we have to stoop to such an evil act?
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Atrus said:
You have to take things into context. Like the others said we really didn't have to do it. Now since people know what an atomic bomb can do guess what? They are now afraid.
True Mission Accomplished!
Tamanon said:
Dude you are such a blind Obama supporter. No American President should be attending a church with this kind of crap being spewed from it. Can you not just admit that this Pastor is a lunatic and that he shouldn't be associated with him?
I don't know why you are saying it's from Hannity either. I hate Fox news. Believe me, I would have a problem with this regardless of the candidate if hey attended this guys sermons for 20 years.
Jtrizzy said:
I mentioned Hannity, because for some reason he kept bringing up that he married the two as if that is a big deal, over and over again. It just seemed odd timing that on the day he hammered that point home over and over again, you would bring it up out of the blue as if it was some sort of key point.
I don't hold a man responsible for what a preacher says. Where have I ever supported what this guy says? I've said constantly that some of what he preaches is bad. There's much more to church than a preacher. Have we ever held a Presidential candidate responsible for their preacher?
Not to mention, do you think that John McCain is now unqualified to be President because of his adviser?
Jtrizzy said:
How is it divisive to say that a country doing evil things should not say god bless you divisive? Seriously. I don't get it. It's like all you guys see is god damn America and instantly you go off.
Tamanon said:Not to mention, do you think that John McCain is now unqualified to be President because of his adviser?
An adviser that says we should wipe out islam in a country founded on religious freedom. *sigh*
Tamanon said:
Why would you attend a church when you don't agree with the Pastor? That's where I'm confused.
Gee, I don't really agree with anything this guy preaches but I think I'll join the church and take my children there. Just explain that to me because I don't understand. That's all I'm saying.
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Tamanon said:
I see what you did there.
Tamanon said:
A) I'm sure there are some things a Pastor can say that would make him leave the church. Apparently these things don't qualify.
B) True but point A applies
C) No, I don't. I'm starting to believe Obama's rhetoric of being above it and setting a new tone isn't as important to him as he claims.
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Tamanon said:
In respect to A)
I personally think it's a problem if you don't agree with your preacher or whomever when it comes to things that he said in those videos. Even I will agree to that.
mckmas8808 said:
I can see that, although I guess it all depends on what your options are. Plus, remember, some preachers have just incendiary moments, or occasional speeches. I know we've definitely seen that in the past.:lol
Either way, this'll fade off the newscycle by the weekend and we can get on to the next way people will try and prove that everyone running for President hates America for some reason.
Cooter said:
C is kinda an odd point, because he already tried to defuse this whole rhetoric thing earlier, and yet somebody else has chosen to bring it forth. In no way has he endorsed or encouraged it.....but c'est la vie. There's no such thing as bad press! Fox gets Obama's preacher, MSNBC gets McCain's!
I think you guys need to watch the entirety of his comments. It's not just about that GD America stuff. He has multiple sermons that are simply insane.
Personally, I would get up and walk out of any church where this kind of stuff was being spewed.
As far as the marriage thing goes, yes I think that's a big deal. But no bigger than the fact that he sat there all these years and listened to this vitriol.
Personally, I would get up and walk out of any church where this kind of stuff was being spewed.
As far as the marriage thing goes, yes I think that's a big deal. But no bigger than the fact that he sat there all these years and listened to this vitriol.
The problem with the family argument as put forth here and by Obama himself, is that of course outside of marriage and adoption you can't choose your family. You can choose both your faith and where to congregate, if at all. And as a politician--not to mention a President--to do so carelessly carries more weight than a private citizen. But hey, they're all deluded sky-worshipers in the end.
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we already had one mod go into a meltdown. do you really want to be next? ;psp0rsk said:
Kitschkraft
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Is there anything a black man can say in america, in opposition to white America, that is not going to be seen as crazy/militant/racist?
The divisions in this country are pointed out by everyone...yet everyone is SHOCKED when blacks make statements opposed to white views/culture/whatever.
This to me, is what I find to be so different from the black struggles of the past and of today, at least in regards to outside views. There was a time when you could find whites not only supporting MLK, but also groups like the Black Panthers, and other more hardline factions of the civil rights movement...people weren't worried about trying to point out some percieved double standards, they were being real about situations in the country, they knew where the power lay, and they understood that some people eventually have to sacrifice for others to gain.
Nowadays, any brutha that isn't up there shucking and jiving, spreading some extreme message of the brotherhood of man, and who basically, isn't being FAKE about certain shit, is called out as some sort of race obsessed lunatic. I hear people trying to call Michael Eric Dyson some sort of racist.....I think both black and white are too fucking sensative these days.
I'm not even talking about the pastor, just trying to dig deeper into this whole thing, because this man could have basically said anything, and I feel people would have caused an uproar. If some are willing to throw the future of the country back into the hands of George Bush III because of this then so be it, we will reap what we sow.
I hate this shit....this is why I've always been weary of Obama and his campaign, I knew that eventually, he would be forced to make a choice between stripping every bit of "blackness" in his life out or becoming the next POTUS. Once again, I'm not even speaking directly about Rev Wright and his comments, while he comes off as strong...it's hard to explain to people why this kind of fire is so acceptable to many blacks, and I feel it's an issue where Obama and his family will be in direct contrast to the majority of white Americans...who he obviously needs to win. I hate to see this happen to another brother, like I said, it used to be fucking damn near mandatory for famous blacks and those in high ranking to be "pro-black"....and I'm talking sports, politics, entertainment, whatever....nowadays you can't even imagine a Jim Brown type running back in the league....
The divisions in this country are pointed out by everyone...yet everyone is SHOCKED when blacks make statements opposed to white views/culture/whatever.
This to me, is what I find to be so different from the black struggles of the past and of today, at least in regards to outside views. There was a time when you could find whites not only supporting MLK, but also groups like the Black Panthers, and other more hardline factions of the civil rights movement...people weren't worried about trying to point out some percieved double standards, they were being real about situations in the country, they knew where the power lay, and they understood that some people eventually have to sacrifice for others to gain.
Nowadays, any brutha that isn't up there shucking and jiving, spreading some extreme message of the brotherhood of man, and who basically, isn't being FAKE about certain shit, is called out as some sort of race obsessed lunatic. I hear people trying to call Michael Eric Dyson some sort of racist.....I think both black and white are too fucking sensative these days.
I'm not even talking about the pastor, just trying to dig deeper into this whole thing, because this man could have basically said anything, and I feel people would have caused an uproar. If some are willing to throw the future of the country back into the hands of George Bush III because of this then so be it, we will reap what we sow.
I hate this shit....this is why I've always been weary of Obama and his campaign, I knew that eventually, he would be forced to make a choice between stripping every bit of "blackness" in his life out or becoming the next POTUS. Once again, I'm not even speaking directly about Rev Wright and his comments, while he comes off as strong...it's hard to explain to people why this kind of fire is so acceptable to many blacks, and I feel it's an issue where Obama and his family will be in direct contrast to the majority of white Americans...who he obviously needs to win. I hate to see this happen to another brother, like I said, it used to be fucking damn near mandatory for famous blacks and those in high ranking to be "pro-black"....and I'm talking sports, politics, entertainment, whatever....nowadays you can't even imagine a Jim Brown type running back in the league....
Liara T'Soni said:
Really? So, your going to dig up the old "the man" argument?
I guess my ancestors got the treatment they deserved then, right?
Kitschkraft
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Aurvant said:
Aren't you the guy that was trying to frighten me into going to church?
You are a prime example of what I'm talking about...look how quick you were to get on the defensive, trying to make this about some corporate/political boogeyman as opposed to addressing what I'm saying.
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Aurvant said:
LMFAO!!!! Wow...you are really a good example of the attitude I am discussing.
What would cause you to believe I support the persecution of Irish people, or anyone else, for that matter?
Liara T'Soni said:
No, I'm just trying to figure out why you think anyone should so damned special to be able to be excused for saying stupid shit. If Pat Robertson or whoever was out there saying that stuff then he would also be a damn idiot (not that he hasn't already said ignorant shit).
All I'm saying is quit trying to justify his comments by bringing up the whole "is there anything that a black man can say in this country without....etc etc etc". It's a tired fucking argument and all it does is make the person arguing look like a whiny bitch.
Yeah, he has freedom of speech and he is perfectly entitled to say whatever he wants but with that freedom comes the responsibility of taking whatever backlash comes along with it. Just because he is a black man doesn't mean he is omitted from the criticism of being a fucking tard.
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