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[Aurvant]

While I definitely don't agree with it, it's no different then Mccain's hate for the Vietnamese.

Well said. I believe it is perfectly reasonable for McCain to hold a grudge against his own captors (he was a POW) but to hold an unbridled hate for an entire race of people because of a few bad apples is retarded beyond all understanding.

guilt by association is for fucking retards... so obama.. goes to a church.. where a guy preaches there... oh no!! now he shares all the beliefs of that ONE guy that preaches there.

now lets see.. hillary knows bill who knew al gore who ran against and met with bush jr whos great grand pappy prescot bush helped the nazis.. thus helped hitler.. now im waiting for hillary to denounce hitler.. she hasnt denounced him yet!! thus.. hillary must = hitler?


see thats what i mean... GUILT BY ASSOCIATION IS FOR FUCKING RETARDS.. PEOPLE HAVE THIER OWN MINDS... unless you are on the right that is... they are a bunch of sheep

Oh noez! The bible thumping conservative right-wingahs are coming to your houses to steal your reality! No one is safe...NO ONE!

 

[Particle Physicist]

:lol

Your example is pure shit.

how about this one. hillary and mccain are friends. her own words.

thus. hillary = mccain.

 

[nelsonroyale]

god damn America national anthem?

for some reason I find this hilarious

 

[Jtrizzy]

"We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."

Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.

Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community."

Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined the church in 1991 and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith.

The title of Mr. Obama's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people Mr. Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Mr. Obama consulted Mr. Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

At what point will you guys admit that this is more than this "they just know each other from church"?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

 

[mckmas8808]

Can we all just start focusing on the real issue -- namely, that America has a fixation with electing religious believers of ANY stripe to public office?

This is the real discussion.

 

[Aurvant]

how about this one. hillary and mccain are friends. her own words.

thus. hillary = mccain.

That would explain the scowl

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

This is Obama's pastor now

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-moss_bd17feb17,0,6761518.story

Thanks for the info.

 

[Jtrizzy]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

how about this one. hillary and mccain are friends. her own words.

thus. hillary = mccain.

And your point is? Neither have said anything as insanely stupid as Obama's pastor has. Hillary would not be McCain's "friend" if McCain was an out and out racist like this twerp is, and visa versa.

Another shit example.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

Do you know how to use google? There's a lot of knowledge at your fingertips if you choose to use it.. or remain a idiot. Its up to you.

 

[belvedere]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

For real dog, he's totally a terrorist. I read it on Facebook.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

are you serious?

 

[Tamanon]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

You mean he's a one-term senator that YOU know nothing about.

 

[Particle Physicist]

And your point is? Neither have said anything as insanely stupid as Obama's pastor has. Hillary would not be McCain's "friend" if McCain was an out and out racist like this twerp is, and visa versa.

Another shit example.

shit example?!

its the same fucken thing with this guilt by association thing going on.. mccain is not racist, but he stands for everything the democrats are against. yet hillary has no issues associating herself with him. obama has already mentioned many many times that he does not share the same views as j wright. what more do you want form him? reject and denounce? fire someone who has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign?

 

[mckmas8808]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

This is straight BS talk. Now you feel like you don't know Obama huh? Let me guess you're voting for Hilary right? Do we know enough about her? Where's her tax returns?

 

[Tamanon]

This is straight BS talk. Now you feel like you don't know Obama huh? Let me guess you're voting for Hilary right? Do we know enough about her? Where's her tax returns?

Nah, he wouldn't vote for Hillary, he'll grudgingly pull the lever for McCain, he's part of the Stop Hillary Express

 

[AmishNazi]

To all the people who say that we should just ignore history because it's the past should just fucking jump off a cliff. If you ignore history you're doomed to repeat it. Racism on both sides didn't die after the civil rights movement no matter what our generation likes to believe. As long as there are people from that era living on both sides there will be hate on both sides of the issues.

I also don't see how these remarks are any worse than McCain's adviser. Hell I go so far as to say McCain's advisers are worse because they support terrorism. First you have him going against one of the founding principles of this country religious freedom. Then you have him creating new propaganda for the terrorist to use against us and handing it to them on a silver fucking platter. Plus Obama's pastor didn't call out a group he said the US government, although apparently white people still believe they are the government.

Even the extremist Muslims haven't been stupid enough to give us a rallying cry by saying they want to eradicate Christianity. Closest they came was to say Israel.

 

[Jtrizzy]

My point is that the general public has had the wool pulled over their eyes about Obama. Turn on the news and what do you hear? How he's run an incredible campaign, how he's above the fray, and how such a charismatic speaker.

If the media wasn't so obsessed with the guy, we would've heard much more about this guy as well as his socialist mentor.

As far as I can see, this is the first time the media has really taken him to task over the people who have influenced him in his life, the people he writes about in his books.

Anyway, please don't let me distract you from your undying love for the man regardless of who he surrounds himself with.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I'm not reading thru this whole thread now but is the pastor's claims patently false?

I wonder where are the Anti-PC police when you needed because it sounds just inflammatory but not false.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Nah, he wouldn't vote for Hillary, he'll grudgingly pull the lever for McCain, he's part of the Stop Hillary Express

Wrong. I am a supporter of Hillary. I have never voted for a Republican for any public office. I will begrudgingly vote for Obama if he wins.

 

[Jtrizzy]

I'm not reading thru this whole thread now but is the pastor's claims patently false?

I wonder where are the Anti-PC police when you needed because it sounds just inflammatory but not false.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Obama's+pastor&search_type=

Ridin dirty one is actually kind of funny.

 

[PhoenixDark]

The real issue is that we don't know enough Obama as a result of the cult like infatuation with him. He's a one term Senator who no one knows anything about beyond what he says in his speeches.

Eh, to be fair we do know a lot about Obama. This talking point may have worked last March but it's quite obsolete right now. People who claim they don't know anything about Obama are really saying they're too lazy to look up his positions

I agree with your previous post though, but it's clearly a waste of time. You better believe the knives would be out if McCain was defending his pastor's idiotic comments, or (even worse) if Hillary had connections to a pastor guilty of racially charged hyperbole. The standard Obama is given in the media and on this board is absolutely laughable, but there's nothing we can do about it. The train is on the tracks, the passengers are comfortable in their seats

 

[AmishNazi]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Obama's+pastor&search_type=

Ridin dirty one is actually kind of funny.

Most intelligent video in that search.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99NvAjAU7c8

 

[Dr_Cogent]

shit example?!

its the same fucken thing with this guilt by association thing going on.. mccain is not racist, but he stands for everything the democrats are against. yet hillary has no issues associating herself with him. obama has already mentioned many many times that he does not share the same views as j wright. what more do you want form him? reject and denounce? fire someone who has absolutely nothing to do with his campaign?

He should absolutely reject and denounce him. If you do not share the same views as someone, you certainly don't have them as your fucking pastor - you find a new church or just stop going. You don't go to listen to them on a weekly basis. I know I wouldn't.

 

[AmishNazi]

I agree with your previous post though, but it's clearly a waste of time. You better believe the knives would be out if McCain was defending his pastor's idiotic comments, or (even worse) if Hillary had connections to a pastor guilty of racially charged hyperbole. The standard Obama is given in the media and on this board is absolutely laughable, but there's nothing we can do about it. The train is on the tracks, the passengers are comfortable in their seats

So the government = white people now.

 

[Jtrizzy]

OK let me rephrase or backtrack whatever you want to call it. The general public, who learns about the candidates from the televised media, knows very little about him as a person.

All they know is what they hear on CNN, which is: "Barack Obama is an incredible campaigner and speaker." "Barack Obama has started a movement, because he is above divisive rhetoric, which is want the people want"

Clearly he is not totally above the fray when it comes to his Pastor and what church he attends.

 

[v1cious]

And your point is? Neither have said anything as insanely stupid as Obama's pastor has.

Mccain: "I hate the gooks. i will hate them as long as i live."

Clinton: "I think lobbyists represent real Americans."

 

[Tamanon]

OK let me rephrase or backtrack whatever you want to call it. The general public, who learns about the candidates from the televised media, knows very little about him as a person.

All they know is what they hear on CNN, which is: "Barack Obama is an incredible campaigner and speaker." "Barack Obama has started a movement, because he is above divisive rhetoric, which is want the people want"

Clearly he is not totally above the fray when it comes to his Pastor and what church he attends.

Then I would just counter that if the general public only learns of their candidates through televised media, that FOX news balances CNN out with their Obama is a muslim, Obama hates America, Obama sounds like Hitler bits

 

[Jtrizzy]

Most intelligent video in that search.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99NvAjAU7c8

DUDE Hillary and Barack are the same on 90% of the issues. What more is there to talk about? Should we have the 58th debate? This is CNN once again pussying out, trying to cover it as if it's a non issue to people.

I think it is an issue, as the majority of Americans would walk out of any Church where hateful and idiotic conspiracy theories are being spewed.

 

[AmishNazi]

DUDE Hillary and Barack are the same on 90% of the issues. What more is there to talk about? Should we have the 58th debate? This is CNN once again pussying out, trying to cover it as if it's a non issue to people.

I think it is an issue, as the majority of Americans would walk out of any Church where hateful shit like this is being spewed.

Once again I'll ask. So government = white people now?

Fucking dance around the issue as much as you want I never saw the man say white people. I saw him say some pretty inflammatory remarks about the US GOVERNMENT, but not white people.

 

[v1cious]

DUDE Hillary and Barack are the same on 90% of the issues. What more is there to talk about? Should we have the 58th debate? This is CNN once again pussying out, trying to cover it as if it's a non issue to people.

it's not even that. i've seen almost no coverage of this, everybody is still talking about Geraldine Ferraro.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Then I would just counter that if the general public only learns of their candidates through televised media, that FOX news balances CNN out with their Obama is a muslim, Obama hates America, Obama sounds like Hitler bits

I can't watch that channel without losing it, but that is crazy. I pretty much hate all 3 of the cable news networks at this point. I used to be a huge MSNBC fan until Chris Matthews started reading Obama talking points every night and said he gets a funny feeling in his pants when he hears him speak.


Amish Nazi, please calm down. As always on GAF, if you don't love Obama, you have to answer to 10 people at once, who inevitably claim you are avoiding their question. just give me a minute.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Mccain: "I hate the gooks. i will hate them as long as i live."

Clinton: "I think lobbyists represent real Americans."

Not even close to accusing the United States government of creating AIDS and giving it to the poor black folk. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

Neither of them would be able to run for president if they had said anything close to what this Wright guy has.

 

[Peru]

What's the problem with this pastor?

 

[Tamanon]

it's not even that. i've seen almost no coverage of this, everybody is still talking about Geraldine Ferraro.

To be fair, this is a manufactured story really, they had to dig up the old sermons from a story that died out. Whereas Ferraro keeps scheduling herself on any public outlet she can find to keep it alive.

 

[AmishNazi]

Neither of them would be able to run for president if they had said anything close to what this Wright guy has.

So Wright is running for president?

 

[PhoenixDark]

So the government = white people now.

You've got to be fucking joking.

In 2007, Wright addressed this by saying "When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Colonel Gadaffi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Controversy

Not racially charged right? With regards to the video(s), his comments about the government creating AIDS or pumping drugs into the inner city aren't racially charged right?

 

[Dark Octave]

You've got to be fucking joking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Controversy

Not racially charged right? With regards to the video(s), his comments about the government creating AIDS or pumping drugs into the inner city aren't racially charged right?

Nah, it's just true.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

You've got to be fucking joking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Controversy

Not racially charged right? With regards to the video(s), his comments about the government creating AIDS or pumping drugs into the inner city aren't racially charged right?

lol we shall all be judged by our pastors now?

There is NO WAY these guys running for pres hate their countries and the people/religions that reside in them. pastors etc are just providing press with something to do until the Pennsylvania primaries.

 

[Dahellisdat]

ugh.....i dont know why i still read these threads.....

 

[PhoenixDark]

Once again I'll ask. So government = white people now?

Even you must realize that's a horrible argument. It's a subtle racial attack, nothing more. It's like the whole "city vs suburbs" angle Detroit's mayor loves to play; there's nothing but racial division behind the words

 

[Jtrizzy]

Once again I'll ask. So government = white people now?

Fucking dance around the issue as much as you want I never saw the man say white people. I saw him say some pretty inflammatory remarks about the US GOVERNMENT, but not white people.

OK I don't even know what I'm avoiding here. I was simply responding to the video link you posted, where Anderson Cooper and company say "this is a derail from the issues"

my point is that the fucking issues have been done to death, and that this isn't something people shouldn't pay attention too, regardless of how much CNN doesn't want them to.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Nah, it's just true.

.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

So Wright is running for president?

So Obama willingly attended sermons from this psycho?

The answer? Yes.

Thanks for playing.

lol we shall all be judged by our pastors now?

Why attend their services if you absolutely disagree with their message?

 

[AmishNazi]

You've got to be fucking joking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Controversy

Not racially charged right? With regards to the video(s), his comments about the government creating AIDS or pumping drugs into the inner city aren't racially charged right?

Personally since I lived in the ghetto my first 24 years and saw white and black lives fucked by those issues no I *personally* don't. The US government doesn't really like poor people.

Great cherry picked soundbyte quote....

HANNITY: All right, but we're not dealing with — this is on the Web site today. Let me just inform our audience, and I want you to respond, if you can.

It says, "Commitment to God." By the way, I'm with you, and I hope you'll pray for me, Reverend. Commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic. It goes on, pledge, you know, acquired skills available to the black community, strengthening and supporting black institutions, pledging allegiance to all black leadership who have embraced the black value system, personal commitment to the embracement of the black value system.

Now, Reverend, if every time we said black, if there was a church and those words were white, wouldn't we call that church racist?

WRIGHT: No, we would call it Christianity. We've been saying that since there was a white Christianity; we've been saying that ever since white Christians took part in the slave trade; we've been saying that ever since they had churches in slave castles.

We don't have to say the word "white." We just have to live in white America, the United States of white America. That's not the issue; you're missing the issue.

As I was trying to say to you, liberation theology — and I thought Eric Rush has studied at a theological seminary that was conservative — I've come to find out he doesn't know anything more about theology than I know about brain surgery.

HANNITY: So here's my point to you, though.

WRIGHT: No, let me finish. No, here's my point to you.

HANNITY: I'm waiting.

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the ‘60s, (INAUDIBLE) black liberation theology, that started with Jim Cone in 1968, and the writings of Cone, and the writings of Dwight Hopkins, and the writings of womanist theologians, and Asian theologians, and Hispanic theologians...

Things are usually less evil in context.

Even you must realize that's a horrible argument. It's a subtle racial attack, nothing more. It's like the whole "city vs suburbs" angle Detroit's mayor loves to play; there's nothing but racial division behind the words

Not as racist as the people that believe that the only people suffering in the inner city are black.

 

[mckmas8808]

My point is that the general public has had the wool pulled over their eyes about Obama. Turn on the news and what do you hear? How he's run an incredible campaign, how he's above the fray, and how such a charismatic speaker.

If the media wasn't so obsessed with the guy, we would've heard much more about this guy as well as his socialist mentor.

As far as I can see, this is the first time the media has really taken him to task over the people who have influenced him in his life, the people he writes about in his books.

Anyway, please don't let me distract you from your undying love for the man regardless of who he surrounds himself with.

There have been stories about this guy for months now. Answer these questions for me J.

1. Why hasn't the media kill Hilary with the question for why see has released the papers that explained what she did as first lady when her husband was in the white house?

2. Why hasn't the media hit Hilary with the question for why her and Bill haven't released the list of people that donated to the Clinton libary?

3. Why hasn't the media hit McCain with his racist language about people from Vietnam or that has Vietimese heritage?

4. Why hasn't the media hit McCain with huge amounts of questions about the pastors that's backing him?

 

[v1cious]

So Obama willingly attended sermons from this psycho?

The answer? Yes.

Thanks for playing.

wow, you guys just aren't gonna stop, are you? just face it, it's a dead issue. the guy's not even with the church any more. no one else cares, and neither should you.

look on the bright side... you still got Rezko

 

[harSon]

I think I might get myself a Jeremiah Wright avatar.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Nah, it's just true.

Ridiculous. So you believe the one about the secret labs in Africa that we funded to create AIDS so we could kill off Black people in our country?

Or that the government invented crack? Sorry but drug addiction goes back a little further than the history of our country, and it has nothing to do with race.

I will give you that they have done a horrible job of rehabilitation in prison and investing in poor black neighborhoods, but I will not believe the other conspiracy theories.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

wow, you guys just aren't gonna stop, are you? just face it, it's a dead issue. the guy's not even with the church any more. no one else cares, and neither should you.

look on the bright side... you still got Rezko

And those on the other side aren't stopping defending it? Takes two to tango. I don't think either side is going to agree on this or change what they think.