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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"

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AmishNazi said:
Ding ding ding.

Try wrapping your mind around how a drug dealer figured out that if you cut coke with baking soda and cook it that it becomes at least twice as addictive.
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A drug dealer mixing an expensive white powdery drug with a cheap white powdery baking product. No way I can't believe it, that's so underhanded of the drug dealer. As for the cooking part...all the druggies I know love to burn stuff. Doesn't sound like a stretch at all...
 
AmishNazi said:
Fuck. That's a damn trap.
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No it's not, Hannity's only method of debate is to speak over others and cut them off. You can't do that to a Presidential nominee:P

Well, except when he did it to Congressman Paul, but that's slightly different.
 
Tamanon said:
No it's not, Hannity's only method of debate is to speak over others and cut them off. You can't do that to a Presidential nominee:P
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If he doesn't cut Obama off, even once, I'll change my vote to McCain.
 
AmishNazi said:
I don't have to agree with either's whole ideal system or opinions to respect both of them. Neither do I I have to believe everything that comes out of someone's mouth just because I respect them.
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You're saying Obama is lying then?
 
PrivateWHudson said:
A drug dealer mixing an expensive white powdery drug with a cheap white powdery baking product. No way I can't believe it, that's so underhanded of the drug dealer. As for the cooking part...all the druggies I know love to burn stuff. Doesn't sound like a stretch at all...
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There is a difference between cutting coke and baking crack. HUGE difference. Plus most coke heads at the time didn't freebase. Freebase became popular after crack.

APF said:
You're saying Obama is lying then?
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No I'm saying that it's possible to respect someone without believing everything they say. Also respect doesn't always mean agreeing with everything a person says or does.
 
harSon said:
Is this really allowed? It's no different then someone trolling in the video games section :lol
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ToS said:
Trolling is considered to be the act of purposely being disingenuous to an active discussion.
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I'd say 90% of APF's posts fall under that definition. Why you guys even engage with him I'll never understand. He reached "joke character" status ages ago. :p
 
Matthews is discussing it on Hardball.

I'm not watching it, because I'm quite frankly disgusted that it's getting any airtime. As if the Hilary campaign isn't negative enough already, now the media is digging up stories that are years old to make it even worse.
 
ZealousD said:
Matthews is discussing it on Hardball.

I'm not watching it, because I'm quite frankly disgusted that it's getting any airtime. As if the Hilary campaign isn't negative enough already, now the media is digging up stories that are years old to make it even worse.
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It's pretty funny, Matthews just read the response to his guest, who pretended he didn't even hear it and said "Obama needs to come out and reject and denounce these statements".
 
Props to Obama for that response. I don't get why he chose the Huffington Post, it's not like the people who read that blog are the ones who are upset about this. At least it's not on the Daily Kos. I fucking can't stand that guy.
 
Jtrizzy said:
Props to Obama for that response. I don't get why he chose the Huffington Post, it's not like the people who read that blog are the ones who are upset about this. At least it's not on the Daily Kos. I fucking can't stand that guy.
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It starts on the Post but it's been mentioned and linked to all over the news. Plus he's going to be on later on. Just like when Hillary did that blog about how much she loves children on the Post first.
 
ZealousD said:
Matthews is discussing it on Hardball.

I'm not watching it, because I'm quite frankly disgusted that it's getting any airtime. As if the Hilary campaign isn't negative enough already, now the media is digging up stories that are years old to make it even worse.
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i love how they brought out a black reverend to comment on a black pastor and black candidate.

next this reverend is a catholic from a catholic church. i am a catholic and have been to some prominent black churchs like the one obama is a member of. and as a catholic its very diff than how we worship.

just like those evangelical southern baptists churches where the preacher be healing people. as a catholic i find those just as repulsive. not to mention the references to the devil which you never really hear in a catholic church. to me a reverend or preacher is the speaker of god not an extension of his hand. He is not some messia that can heal another man with his hands. to me as a catholic thats against what i have been taught.

so i find offense with this whole argument and so called issue. we have freedom to practice our religion how we see fit. if you wnat to lay with snakes to show faith thats on you. but to bring issue with anything said with any sect of religion is against that freedom.
 
Lefty42o said:
i love how they brought out a black reverend to comment on a black pastor and black candidate.

next this reverend is a catholic from a catholic church. i am a catholic and have been to some prominent black churchs like the one obama is a member of. and as a catholic its very diff than how we worship.

just like those evangelical southern baptists churches where the preacher be healing people. as a catholic i find those just as repulsive. not to mention the references to the devil which you never really hear in a catholic church. to me a reverend or preacher is the speaker of god not an extension of his hand. He is not some messia that can heal another man with his hands. to me as a catholic thats against what i have been taught.

so i find offense with this whole argument and so called issue. we have freedom to practice our religion how we see fit. if you wnat to lay with snakes to show faith thats on you. but to bring issue with anything said with any sect of religion is against that freedom.
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Is your shift key broken?
 
FYI, he'll be doing interviews tonight on CNN, MSNBC and FOX about this.

This should kill the issue or at least temper it for the weekend and then it'll be put to rest.
 
Tamanon said:
FYI, he'll be doing interviews tonight on CNN, MSNBC and FOX about this.

This should kill the issue or at least temper it for the weekend and then it'll be put to rest.
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Brave man. I'm curious to see how he fairs there.
 
ColdDeckEd said:
First of all his campaign revolves around the notion of cleaning up the the current adminstrations mistakes.

Secondly, for alot of people Church isn't all about religion (funny concept, I know). There's also a strong community element involved, especially with big churches. You seem pretty knowledgable when it comes to politics, so let me ask you what kind of message would it send to the community/constituants Obama is trying to court, if he just leaves the church/community because he did not agree 100% with his pastor. Put everything in context now. We are talking about when Obama was still on the rise, before this Presidential election. It probably would have derailed his congressional campaign. Now while you may call this selling out, Obama would definately not be the only candidate that has done so (McCain reaching out to Falwell and Robertson after calling them agents of intolerance for example).

This is all purely my opinions btw, I'm not claiming to know the inner workings of Obama's mind or anything, I'm just speculating.
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you're probably not too far off...reading Obama's book, it seems that the primary reason he become Christian was because of the "strong community element". Joining the church tied into his community organizer work at the time.

(of course Mr. Obama, just because your church had a nice community doesn't mean Christian claims about the world are any more real. But at least you know how to separate your religious beliefs from public policy, so I'm willing to cut you some slack!)

what if Obama really did read GAF? haha
 
soul creator said:
you're probably not too far off...reading Obama's book, it seems that the primary reason he become Christian was because of the "strong community element". Joining the church tied into his community organizer work at the time.

(of course Mr. Obama, just because your church had a nice community doesn't mean Christian claims about the world are any more real. But at least you know how to separate your religious beliefs from public policy, so I'm willing to cut you some slack!)

what if Obama really did read GAF? haha
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That's actually the way churches are here in the south at least. I know I actually attended a Mormon church for a while, didn't believe, wasn't part of the religion, but really enjoyed the community.
 
Tamanon said:
That's actually the way churches are here in the south at least. I know I actually attended a Mormon church for a while, didn't believe, wasn't part of the religion, but really enjoyed the community.
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same thing here. even though i am catholic and been for years i joined a local baptist church. was very diff than what i was used to. but i had some friends who told me i should try the church and it was enjoyable. as they say you could feel the holy spirit :lol


and my wife who is not overly religious enjoys the lively atmosphere of a black southern baptist church. she could not stand the ritualistic catholic mass. put anyone to sleep
 
Dr_Cogent said:
And your point is? Neither have said anything as insanely stupid as Obama's pastor has. Hillary would not be McCain's "friend" if McCain was an out and out racist like this twerp is, and visa versa.

Another shit example.
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i guess you havent heard about mccains friendly name for the people of south east asia
 
AmishNazi said:
No I'm saying that it's possible to respect someone without believing everything they say. Also respect doesn't always mean agreeing with everything a person says or does.
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I'm not understanding the distinction you're drawing between saying you don't believe him and saying he's lying about something. You're separating this notion from that of agreement, so again you're saying you think he's lying.


Aside / to all: So just to make it clear, you Obama supporters who have in this thread come-out in support of these outrageous statements, your opinion is that it's perfectly ok to support someone with whom you have major philosophical and ideological disagreements--in part, because there may be other more innocuous issues for which you *do* come to agreement. I just want to confirm you feel this is a perfectly legitimate and moral perspective to have.
 
Tamanon said:
Actually word on the street is that he's doing a response *ON* Hannity and Colmes tonight.
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And he is going to be on Keith Olberman's show at 8 pm TODAY EST!!!
 
APF said:
I'm not understanding the distinction you're drawing between saying you don't believe him and saying he's lying about something. You're separating this notion from that of agreement, so again you're saying you think he's lying.
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The first post you questioned me on.... N/M I'll just replay the conversation for you so you can stop twisting it into I'm saying Obama is lying.

APF said:
It must be heart-wrenching to hear Obama categorically reject comments you agree with like that. I think if I were one of the people here who were spinning for the accuracy of Wright's words I'd be having a crisis of faith re: my commitment to a candidate who was so far apart ideologically. Very sad.
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AmishNazi said:
I don't have to agree with either's whole ideal system or opinions to respect both of them. Neither do I I have to believe everything that comes out of someone's mouth just because I respect them.
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APF said:
You're saying Obama is lying then?
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OMG!!!! A black man is upset about America's treatment of his race and thinks our own actions may have encouraged people to want to kill us!!!111 OH NOOOEZZ!!!!1

This fucking country with it's fucking head in the sand is disgusting sometimes. The Rev. Wright should not have made his points using the language he did, but the same people blasting him are the same people that cry about how big of pussies we all are with our PC speech. FUCK YOU. There are some cold, ugly truths our country has to own up to before it can reach it's full potential of greatness, but until we have a leader willing to spearhead that it will never happen. We'll never have a leader that can do that because the citizenry will never elect one.

We not everz bad we only gud all the time rite?
 
hokahey said:
OMG!!!! A black man is upset about America's treatment of his race and thinks our own actions may have encouraged people to want to kill us!!!111 OH NOOOEZZ!!!!1

This fucking country with it's fucking head in the sand is disgusting sometimes. The Rev. Wright should not have made his points using the language he did, but the same people blasting him are the same people that cry about how big of pussies we all are with our PC speech. FUCK YOU. There are some cold, ugly truths our country has to own up to before it can reach it's full potential of greatness, but until we have a leader willing to spearhead that it will never happen. We'll never have a leader that can do that because the citizenry will never elect one.

We not everz bad we only gud all the time rite?
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The thing that pisses me off the most is the "omg it's soooo anti-American". Why is it that Ron Paul in LIVE TV DEBATES as a candidate for President of the USA can say similar things and not get overly crushed by the media?
 
mckmas8808 said:
The thing that pisses me off the most is the "omg it's soooo anti-American". Why is it that Ron Paul in LIVE TV DEBATES as a candidate for President of the USA can say similar things and not get overly crushed by the media?
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To be fair, that would involve him actually getting coverage.

I mean, even playing the whole "chickens coming home to roost" sermon, it really does all make sense.
 
AmishNazi said:
Even the extremist Muslims haven't been stupid enough to give us a rallying cry by saying they want to eradicate Christianity. Closest they came was to say Israel.
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Fuck no. :lol

You just hear about Israel more.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The thing that pisses me off the most is the "omg it's soooo anti-American". Why is it that Ron Paul in LIVE TV DEBATES as a candidate for President of the USA can say similar things and not get overly crushed by the media?
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Because he said it like a calm white man, not an angry black one. Angry men of color scare the populous.
 
AmishNazi: I'm not sure what you're trying to assert by reposting that? I think I asked a valid question proceeding naturally from your comment about not believing what he says just because you admire him, and I find your attacks against me here distasteful (though thankfully you've again moved on from calling me racist for understanding the difference between a direct quote and bad paraphrasing).



Edit: Ron Paul said "God Damn America" ?
 
APF said:
I'm not understanding the distinction you're drawing between saying you don't believe him and saying he's lying about something. You're separating this notion from that of agreement, so again you're saying you think he's lying.


Aside / to all: So just to make it clear, you Obama supporters who have in this thread come-out in support of these outrageous statements, your opinion is that it's perfectly ok to support someone with whom you have major philosophical and ideological disagreements--in part, because there may be other more innocuous issues for which you *do* come to agreement. I just want to confirm you feel this is a perfectly legitimate and moral perspective to have.
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i respect and love my mother. but some of her views are out there. she even thinks obama is a Muslim. and all muslims are terrorists and so forth.

so am i supposed to not respect and love my mother? or does the fact she gave me life change the rules?

How bout my old football coach. Who helped me become a man in a world where i had a absent father. He was old school and viewed that women were not equal and belonged in the kitchen. made many remarks of a sexist nature that were derogatory to woman all the time. in the little town i live in football is one of our passions and in this community he was a god. many state championships and so forth. I respect him for instilling in me values that have changed how i am as a father.

but we differ on our views on women and we have discussed this many times since my graduation. should i n ot respect this man for how he has shaped my life or should his views on women make me distance myself.

and thats just 2 major things off the top of my head to combat your view. i am sure thru my almost 30 years of life i have found many people's beliefs repulsive to my own yet accept them for what they can add to me and my life.

oh another one. my gay friend tom. that one is self explanatory. love tom to death by the way.

i think you get the point.
 
hokahey said:
Because he said it like a calm white man, not an angry black one. Angry men of color scare the populous.
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GAF is this true? And to be honest I remember Ron Paul saying it in an angry like tone. Not calm at all.
 
So you would vote for these people. Note I said nothing about "love"--although it's telling you instantly go there when I'm talking about your dream date--I'm talking about "support," which is a different matter entirely. Although I'd also say that if your "respect" for these people is not dependent in part on the beliefs and principles you share, you must have a very low threshold for respect.


Edit: wait wait wait. What about your gay friend?
 
APF said:
So you would vote for these people. Note I said nothing about "love"--although it's telling you instantly go there when I'm talking about your dream date--I'm talking about "support," which is a different matter entirely. Although I'd also say that if your "respect" for these people is not dependent in part on the beliefs and principles you share, you must have a very low threshold for respect.


Edit: wait wait wait. What about your gay friend?
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when am i voting for pastor wright? i was pointing out how those around him shaped obama like similar individuals in my life have shaped mine but have deep beliefs i differ with.


and tom. tom was a waiter at cracker barrel when my wife worked there. i was turned off cause tom is not just gay. he is flamboyant gay and going thru a sex change. but in hanging with tom a few times i learned that he was pretty cool. when he got kicked out of his house we let him crash on the couch for a few weeks. If not for tom my views on issues like gay marriage would be much different than it is today. :D


edit : what? low thresh hold for respect? you mean for the man who helped me get in to college and off the streets. yeah why would i respect him. My mom not even going there man. your either young or dumb. maybe both
 
APF said:
AmishNazi: I'm not sure what you're trying to assert by reposting that? I think I asked a valid question proceeding naturally from your comment about not believing what he says just because you admire him, and I find your attacks against me here distasteful (though thankfully you've again moved on from calling me racist for understanding the difference between a direct quote and bad paraphrasing).
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My response was about Wright's comments. I still admire the man for what he's trying to do for his people. However I don't buy into the AIDS comment, and the drugs comment is shaky but can't be proven without a doubt either way. I can however respect their right to an opinion and some of their ideals without it being a blanket assertion of them being totally right and pure.

I mostly took exception to the fact that Obama being forced to denounce something (whether or not he does only he really knows) should make me reconsider my support of some of the comments the reverend made.
 
... slow news week, eh?

Can't imagine why this (or the McCain equivalent in that other thread) should get so much attention.
 
Lefty42o:

You said it was "self explanatory" why you felt your gay friend's views were "views are out there" or at the very least why you had a vehement disagreement with his person.


And you're confused; I'm not talking about voting for Obama's pastor, I'm talking about supporting him even though you have vehement disagreements with him. I'm confirming you feel it's perfectly ok, legitimate, and moral, to continue to support someone you vehemently disagree with.


AmishNazi: you too are confused then, and responding to unasked questions. I know you all want to jump down my throat the instant you see my handle / avatar, but while trolling me at least attempt to understand what you're trolling in response to.
 
Haunted One said:
... slow news week, eh?

Can't imagine why this (or the McCain equivalent in that other thread) should get so much attention.
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And there's 4 more weeks to go until the next primary! SILLY SEASON ACTIVATE!
 
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