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Oculus: Palmer Luckey Trying to Answer Questions
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I feel alot of the hate is the people that forked over money to kickstart this indie venture and are now just venture capitolists that got no ROI. In the investment world im sure they would have a worse name for the people who gave them money.
Agreed. I've always felt like VR would be a very hard sell to the general public, but facebook is an experienced company that seems competent. With both Sony and FB making the VR push I feel like the chances of widespread use get a lot better, which is better for everyone.
jacksepticeye
Member
Why not? If they make an all round solid VR device then devs should be able to integrate it just fine into games. It's up to them to use it for games not Palmer and Facebook. Their role was to always just to provide the hardware and ease of use
Facebook buying them lets them get a LOT more resources than they could before so it means a better Rift in the end and probably a consumer version much faster than before
meanspartan
Member
This sounds like bullshit.
Facebook won't intrude, won't force integration on the headset, won't make theirs the only storefront, etc.
So, uh, WHY did they buy Oculus then? Does Zuckerberg just really like VR and so he wanted to make the biggest Kickstarter Contribution yet?
Facebook won't intrude, won't force integration on the headset, won't make theirs the only storefront, etc.
So, uh, WHY did they buy Oculus then? Does Zuckerberg just really like VR and so he wanted to make the biggest Kickstarter Contribution yet?
The deal could involve him being involved in decisions about Oculus just as much as Facebook people. We can't tell yet. FB's acquisition may be more of a "be a part of our group, we want your money". It's hard to tell that about WhatsApp, but I don't think much has changed on Instagram.
I won't judge now. I'll wait and see. And remain cautiously optimistic.
I won't judge now. I'll wait and see. And remain cautiously optimistic.
just gonna post this zuckerberg quote that is already contradicting palmer
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/25/why-facebook-bought-oculus/
CountAntonius
Member
This sounds to me like facebook wants to make a platform that can use the Rift. But why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that they will lock out everyone else from making things that can also use it? Having OR remain an open platform is the best way to sell the things. Let everyone else make compelling software for it as well as your own.
It's like all of a sudden they will say no to the next Elder Scrolls supporting it because they are stupid and don't like money.
I read this as "We want to make a PlayStation Home style facebook experience where we can sell shit to people that would be a good fit for OR".
I fucking hate this already
Sentenza
Member
Look, here's a fact: regardless of how much freedom they think they are going to have right now, it will last only until Facebook will concede it to them.
As long as you sign your soul over to zuckerberg.
Kickstarters don't have an ROI.
I'd like to know what type of contract he signed there, what kind of decision power he retained.
He seems to be merely implying Facebook's good will, which is worrying.
Even if he 100% believes this, it means nothing.
I think Zuckerberg might let Oculus continue as it is for a year or two and I don't think any real negative signs will be shown right away. But I do think in the long run that the gaming focus of Oculus will eventually be left to the wayside, whether Palmer likes it or not.
I think Zuckerberg might let Oculus continue as it is for a year or two and I don't think any real negative signs will be shown right away. But I do think in the long run that the gaming focus of Oculus will eventually be left to the wayside, whether Palmer likes it or not.
Then another company can fill the void.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
"We're clearly not a hardware company. We're not going to try to make a profit off of the hardware long-term...but if we can make this a network where people are communicating, and buying virtual goods, and there might be ads down the line...thats where the business could come from."
I mean, this is all we need to know. Eveything Palmer says don't matter.
I mean, this is all we need to know. Eveything Palmer says don't matter.
Byron Bluth
Banned
So in the end we Kickstarted Facebook?
That's what pisses me off, we helped build their company with our backing so they could sell to Facebook and still not release a retail product?
Fuck you occulus.
That's what pisses me off, we helped build their company with our backing so they could sell to Facebook and still not release a retail product?
Fuck you occulus.
They probably want to ensure success so it opens up a whole new market they can capitalize off of a new market of applications. If the Rift failed in its first consumer version then VR would probably be dead for a few more years. Facebook realizes that Facebook.com is a sinking ship and are looking into new markets to expand into.
This is why I believe the hardware will be fine. How Facebook integrates into the hardware will be a different story. They can't risk loading up the hardware with bullshit like mandatory Facebook.com accounts, ads, and other things. That would kill the hardware and thus the market they want to capitalize off of. If they want to capitalize off of the VR market they need to make sure VR is a success.
To be honest, the Rift being a big enough success to really usher in a new market of applications that is large enough to make money off of was slim to none. It would have been a great gaming peripheral, but the limited hardware was going to always hurt its impact and I know it was going to be too expensive for the average consumer to even consider. Facebook investing into it changes everything.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/25/why-facebook-bought-oculus/
I'll just keep reposting that quote on every page to hammer the point that is this the worst fucking thing.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Zuckerberg sold him those penny stocks Jordan Belfort style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Vtzn3MZyA
Wolf of Wall Street spoilers obviously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Vtzn3MZyA
Wolf of Wall Street spoilers obviously
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You helped build a product. That prototype was made and, if I'm not worng, everyone got their prototypes.
You didn't invested on a company, you invested on a kickstarter so a company could make a product. Congratulations it was a success.
If you want to be able to have a say on a company don't use kickstarter, because that's is not the platform is for.
Exactly, thats why ive yet to contribute. Gamers, who have yet to even see OR on store shelves, gave up money for an advertised vision. In reality they just gave some people some startup money to sell off to a big company that who knows what the hell you are going to get. All they just got here was "Thanks everybody, we promise Facebook of all companies wont infringe on things now i gotta go drink some champagne. Later chumps"
It doesn't actually contradict anything he has said just yet
It's like watching Australia negotiating a trade agreement. In the end everyone goes home feeling like they've won while the company negotiators high-five each other and remark about how much they played them.
All people can do right now is shut up and wait.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
Dat hornswoggle. Either that or he is incredibly naive about the way Facebook works as a company.
Except they did get what they paid for.
SwiftDeath
Member
At the very least it's good to have a clear cut look into what Facebook wants to do with Oculus from here on out rather than wait for telltale signs
http://www.shareholder.com/visitors/event/build3/stage/stage.cfm?mediaid=63723&mediauserid=0
Here's the whole thing if you want to hear how Zuckerberg dovetails full mobile data exploitation with acquisition of a new platform to datamine the hell out of. He's already giddy with new ways to advertise on OR.
You're not reading into it right. It's pretty clear he's talking about future markets that are opened by VR rather than just developing applications for the Rift itself.
You're thinking quite small compared to him.
Yeah it is pretty naive to think Facebook can't mess with the way Oculus operates internally or the end product. They own the fucking company, they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
Byron Bluth
Banned
Yeah a success for them to sell out. They've lost me now. I cancelled my crystal cove prototype and will leave my first prototype behind soon enough.
Xbone level BS.
El Phenicks
Neo Member
Truth is if this was Nintendo or MS buying them the picture would look a lot more grim than it is now. I haven't yet seen FB mismanage any of their acquired assets, not to say I have faith they won't, but at least it's open to discussion what its future will be a few years from now on whilst we all know what would happen if either of those two got their hands on this.
This hysteria is completely unjustified and just brings our own criticism of facebook, the site, not the company. They are newcomers in the hardware business, as was Google when they released Android, which received fairly similar fears of an Ad riddled OS, all unjustified and exaggerate.
Calm down and smell the flowers, this just got a lot more interesting.
This hysteria is completely unjustified and just brings our own criticism of facebook, the site, not the company. They are newcomers in the hardware business, as was Google when they released Android, which received fairly similar fears of an Ad riddled OS, all unjustified and exaggerate.
Calm down and smell the flowers, this just got a lot more interesting.
Glorified G
Member
Exactly. When did Oculus open it's kickstarter? 2012? Maybe a year or so before that date they started on a prototype. Sony started in 2010 (well technically they had a VR set for ps2) and impressions say Morpheus is on par.
Oculus was and is not the only way for VR to take off. There will be others if willing to join in and produce a device in relatively short time.
This reminds me to visit ebay to capitalize on "bad news"
It only contradicts what he said if you believe that everything Lucky has said is a lie, which an alarming amount of people here do.
To be in the right position to capitalize on the craze when VR really takes off. We don't know what other acquisitions this could could lead to, none of which can affect the consumer version in any way.
I personally believe FB/Oculus stands to gain more by keeping this open then to have it closed off.
That's not what he said at all.
meanspartan
Member
Worse really. Sure, Microsoft may want to expand beyond just gaming, but gaming will always be central to the Xbox brand. No matter what, if you own one you will get your share of exclusives like Halo or Gears and also the major mutiplats.
Now with Oculus being Facebook owned, who knows? Maybe Zuckerberg rushes them passed gaming in order to integrate "social" bullshit.
Dude is out of his element -- if he truly believes the stuff he's saying, he's been played hardcore. There is no such thing and being independent and in control of your own destiny when owned by a massive company. They always tell you that ... Until you do something they don't like, or worse -- that the shareholders don't like.
Wait, how does this work? Wouldn't it not contradict something if it was false?