Ehh I'm better off waiting for the inevitable OLED, 1080p, version.
What the rift has done though is light fire under Sony's ass to get their shit together.
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Oculus Rift Kickstarter [Ended, $2.4 million funded]
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What the rift has done though is light fire under Sony's ass to get their shit together.
Cheesemeister
Member
This is the future of video games right here, folks. I'm pumped for what will come of this.
Carmack mentioned that he has tested 120hz OLED on Oculus Rift, but who knows if that screen will ever become cheap enough for the populus. He even mentined that Iphone retina screen is better than this default screen [faster response time, less ghosting].
200 backers already.
So, wait, someone explain this to me real quick:
So i put on the Rift and start playing Doom3.
So I play it with keyboard and mouse? If so, then the mouse moves the camera, right?
So, what does the headtracking do? Also, won't having the mouse move the camera be really fucking irritating when you do super fast movements? It's basically like sitting with your nose up to a screen, isn't it?
So i put on the Rift and start playing Doom3.
So I play it with keyboard and mouse? If so, then the mouse moves the camera, right?
So, what does the headtracking do? Also, won't having the mouse move the camera be really fucking irritating when you do super fast movements? It's basically like sitting with your nose up to a screen, isn't it?
Backfoggen
Banned
I personally hope that the next HMZ will just have better latency, this seems to hacky.
You don't need a mouse anymore, you can use your head to move the camera around. Along with a gamepad, you can strafe and shoot.
But yeah, you could also use a mouse I guess.
I wish that was inevitable!
Anyway, even if it does happen, The 275$ is worth it for me to get it at least a year earlier and to some day show my grandkids how I participated in building the future.
If you're talking about the HMZ, it has an entirely different, almost incompatible goal. The reason the Rift can achieve its revolutionary VR performance is that it completely ditches legacy content, something Sony could never do.
Moral Panic
Member
I don't understand. They've got all these millionaires endorsing the project but none of them want to put their money into it?
I figured it'd be gamepad. Ok so you play standing up then I guess? Or on a rotating chair?
Would you pay for something if you could get OTHERS to pay for it?
The best control scheme, and the one in Doom 3 BFG, works like this:
You use the mouse (or a stick) to move your aim and camera.
Head tracking only moves the camera.
Also, it isn't really like sitting with your nose up to a screen. There are optics in this thing. Ideally, it's like looking around in your room.
This is kind of hard to wrap my head around.
I mean, I have TrackIR, so it makes sense to me from a flight sim or racing sim point of view -- where you're looking and where your vehicle is going/shooting are two separate things.
So does it mean that the headset changes the view without changing where the gun is pointed (which makes sense to me)? And the mouse still controls where you're aiming?
shira
Member
Wouldn't a wiimote or move controller be better than a mouse.
Yes. I guess when you do want to turn with the mouse you need to hold some button. (for the case where your range of head motion is exhausted)
Why?
I ordered in the second wave in February(?) and the serial number on my model was still under 1000. That was an extremely niche product.
Clearly Sony is introducing some 1080P oleds for their new cameras. And an HMZ using those, running at 120hz (which Carmack seems to imply can be driven rather easily if you want to let it), zero input lag (again something that's not difficult if it's a priority), and with ergonomics designed for the entire world would be pretty incredible. But that's a whole lot of ifs. And given how niche the original truly was, and given Sony's awful financial situation, I'm not putting any money on an HMZ 2.0 ever seeing the light (and especially not with all the above mentioned elements).
Look at those quotes again. Carmack. Cliffy B. Gabe. Michael Abrash. The heavy hitters are all excited. This thing has the potential to be much better. The FOV alone is a huge distinguisher.
I can tell you as someone who has a lot of lightgun games for Wii -- the Wiimote is not as accurate as a mouse for FPSs. It feels more immersive, but it's not more accurate.
I will be buying this when:
- they make consumer friendly package with better screen
- game developer support comes for new games
- anti-fisheye shader injector for older dx9 games is released
- 250e price max
This VR project cant fail, its too good to fail. They just need to spread the world, find better screen, gather developer support and showcase it with some awesome new badass game [HL3, Doom 4, some new Epic Games project].
- they make consumer friendly package with better screen
- game developer support comes for new games
- anti-fisheye shader injector for older dx9 games is released
- 250e price max
This VR project cant fail, its too good to fail. They just need to spread the world, find better screen, gather developer support and showcase it with some awesome new badass game [HL3, Doom 4, some new Epic Games project].
shira
Member
But you are going to be sitting down. If you were lying down or in a gravity chair I think it is better immersion
Playing ps3/wii games feel so much better lying down on my hmzt1. My preference I guess.
How bad are your eyes? Because he makes a good point about bad vision. With that resolution, you'd be better off if you didn't have 20/20 vision since then the pixel grid wouldn't be so distracting. A little "off focus" might actually be to your benefit
zephervack
Member
This could make me ditch my triple screen setup whenever they release a wrapper for all DirectX games that support FOV hacks.
Very excited about this.
So this is like 2 things at once right? its a 3D experience with a really big FOV, so you can see way more than a 16:9 screen?
Very excited about this.
So this is like 2 things at once right? its a 3D experience with a really big FOV, so you can see way more than a 16:9 screen?
i hope carmack's next pet project allows for separate camera and body movement ala track ir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluGLQ6X4MQ
i imagine implementation into current track ir capable engines wouldn't be a huge leap. i guess there are performance concerns though, or carmack just wanted to work with code he knew inside out.
i imagine implementation into current track ir capable engines wouldn't be a huge leap. i guess there are performance concerns though, or carmack just wanted to work with code he knew inside out.
Yes. It's a 110° FoV, and it's a stereoscopic 3D implementation without any of the artifacts commonly associated with that (since there are separate pixels for the left and right eye).
Hmm that's an interesting point. And I can read books without glasses. So at the distances we're talking about, it might not be an issue just to ditch the contacts and glasses.How bad are your eyes? Because he makes a good point about bad vision. With that resolution, you'd be better off if you didn't have 20/20 vision since then the pixel grid wouldn't be so distracting. A little "off focus" might actually be to your benefit
Cheesemeister
Member
Just passed $100k. The goal will be reached in a matter of hours. It'll get totally blown away.
Now, to wait for HD resolution...
Now, to wait for HD resolution...
Yeah, its a shame that glasses wont be sent to backers until November/Devcember.
phosphor112
Banned
I hope sony endorses this and helps carmack with production. This is big. It's so much better than what Sony has right now.
Omegasquash
Member
Hm. Just messaged a buddy about going halfsies on this. Despite my lack of ability in creation, it could be a fun way to begin the learning process.
zephervack
Member
If I were to buy this, is there anything else I can do with it other than play Doom 3 BFG and play with the SDK?
As im not interested in the SDK part and im sure I would beat Doom pretty fast?
As im not interested in the SDK part and im sure I would beat Doom pretty fast?
Probably not out of the box. That will be up to the other people with the SDK.
As it is a few people are working on DirectX injectors, so by the time it comes out it should have at least basic support for a large number of games.
More info here:
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=138&t=15086
You'll be able to download (probably flaky, not-quite-well-tested and only half-working, at least at first) community-based interceptor drivers that will allow you to play lots of popular games with it, with varying levels of support.
However, with how popular this is getting, I'd be surprised if those drivers don't achieve a reasonable level of stability and functionality for many existing games.
However, Oculus isn't guaranteeing any of this, so don't blame them if support for your favorite game fails to manifest.
zephervack
Member
Wow he did that work just based off of screenshots he saw of what Carmack is doing, they will probably move pretty fast once they get a hold of the SDK.
So very tempting.
To be honest I think they might be. The original price was going to be ~$500, so the fact that it's so low now implies at least some level of funding/partnership.
This is great news, and hopefully injector will work well with games that dont have user-customizable FOV controls.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
This looks pretty cool, but I don't think I'm in just yet. I'll wait until this kind of thing is a bit more mature with more support before I take the plunge.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
In some ways it isn't. I wish this had screens like HMZ does, but then who knows how much it would cost.
I really think there's going to be a problem with resolution with these visors, but for the price it's hard to complain.
Reallink
Member
From what I gather the Kickstarter was just to gauge and identify public interest. I think Palmer has mentioned the consumer version is not dependent on the KS and would go forward regardless of what happened (implying he has some type of financial backing).
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