Corrik
Member
How the hell is the reason for that ban "transphobia"
I honestly have no idea why the initial tweet is even offensive to transgender people.
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I honestly have no idea why the initial tweet is even offensive to transgender people.
prag16
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prag16
Banned
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Unless you specifically define what you mean by corrective tap, tell me what is corrective about it and what it has to do with what the guy in Resetera who was without any shiver of doubt adovating for child abuse said, I will only say this with the conditionality, because I deem it unlikely yor definition is as strict as it would need to be for me to say what you just said.
Ivellios
Member
The tweet just said classic games wont be erased and used the hashtag, i did not see anything transphobic on it as well, at most it could be considered a inappropriate joke
Its like no one can say absolutely anything now without being accused of something heinous...
If i wrote this in there i would surely be banned as well, like some members were.
Cunth
Fingerlickin' Good!
I think you mated a shadow and a sliver
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I hope that's not inappropriate behaviour. I do not long to be the next star of "me too"...I think you mated a shadow and a sliver
Because it is a hashtag that trans people use to vent against the trump decision. As a non American I have not even heard about it before the thread. And gig is also not American. They even deleted it 3 minutes after posting. But irmt still is a huge deal for these people on era.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I actually agree for once. That post isn't Transphobic, but it is dismissing concerns over Transphobia. The mods should have been more clear.
Cunth
Fingerlickin' Good!
Deserves a smack on the bum I reckon
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It's in op how it is considered transphobic: They used a tag that is used by transgender people to complain about Trump's planned policy of putting sex rather than gender on the id to advertise their download service for games and made clear by the comment afterwards that they are aware that they are using a tag that is being used by a different group for a completely different purpose. They are certainly making fun of the concern of the people using the tag.
Whether it is transphobic is a matter of personal threshold for such things. I would deem it a jab and not specifically transphobic, but many trans people actually are under the impression that their lifes are at stake due to Trump's policy here. For people who associate such severe consequences with this policy, it is understandable that they are very sensible towards co-opting their platform for a quick marketing joke.
I will accept the smacking, though I might appear butthurt over it.
But even then it is typical marketing to use popular hashtags. They probably did not even know what it was about. They tweeted looked at the reaction or the hashtag said fuck and deleted it after 3 minutes. It is really not a big deal but was made into a huge scandal.
Corrik
Member
I never heard of it either before this either. I legitimately did not get the issue.
Still doesn't seem to be some attack on transgender people though. A playful usage of a trending hashtag or something.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Being so mindless to post something with a popular tag without first looking what it is about is... pretty stupid though. I cannot imagine they were unaware what the tag means upon posting. And if they did not, they should take a good time to reflect on their posting behaviour. I mean, taking popular tags without looking into what they are used for can quickly lead to using e.g. racist tags - or situations like this one. Considering it is not a first offense, they should have been particularly alert not to post anything that has to do with transgender for a long time.
Whitecrow
Banned
The post is dismissing concerns about common sense I'd say. It's not pr's fault if there's ill people that the only aspiration they have in their lives is to call out transphobics on internet.
Mods brains are 1 bit depth. Either you agree 100%, or you are transphobic, racist... whatever. Elaborate a reasonable ban message is far beyond from their capabilities.
They deleted it after 3 minutes.... It was a simple mistake and again they are not American so they do not even know about this hashtag.
It made sense to use this hashtag since we often hear about games being removed from digital platforms etc. Again I bet the did not even know the purpose for the hashtag until they looked at it after posting.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
The comment "Yeah, how's that for some use of hashtags gives a very strong impression that the poster was aware that it was a currently trending hashtag.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Honestly the entire situation is dumb and everyone involved has done wrong. CDPR shouldn't have made the tweet without first checking what the Tag was for and everyone else should have realized that it was a tone deaf mistake.
They only used it because it was trending. If it was not a trending hashtag why would you add one? The point is to get visibility. I bet tons of porn stars did the same as well.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Uhm, what porn stars do is pretty insiginificant to corporate communication. I do not say they were aware that it has to do with trans issues, but the matter of fact is that it is beyond stupid to just use some random tag because it is popular without looking up what it means. Much less stupid for a pornstar than for a big games developer and publisher such as CDPR.
That is why they deleted it after 3 minutes of posting.....
Seriously it was stupid it was a mistake lets move on.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Apparently it dismisses the issue, i rather read it as being tired over the narrative that everything has to be met with negativity and outrage. And if you aren't supporting that, than you are a dehumanizing fuck not worth talking to. Its so black and white.
Ill raise you this thread: Games you boycotted/will boycott. OP lists Detroit: Become Human, Kingdom Come, Destiny 2 and The Last Night, to give you an idea of what games are going to be boycotted (Basically the usual suspects + everything else i don't like because reee)
Because obviously boycotts work so well on these games that are ought to sell millions. Even ERA isn't this dumb so they try to create a union. It still will have little to no effect though. Time to bring up the graph again, to see how much this outrage really has an effect (in general):
All those folks proclaiming they won't buy the game or they see the game in a different light are literally irrelevant. Its 0.1% of 0.1% of 0.1% making a big deal out of it. Its just empty outrage, nothing more. Because if they actually meant what they would say, then you would see it in the sales.
Here is a chart from 2015 to see how much this outrage influences sales:
Its literally a very vague blip on the radar as the biggest factors are Story/Premise, Price and Word of Mouth.
The last one is especially interesting, as it begs the question: Will people who are this outraged on the web, tell others about it in real life (Say, family, friends, randoms)? - I am sure a few will, but most folks likely won't know what the issue is about, won't know what (in this case) Cyberpunk is about, and i am sure a group of people also does not really care what friend/cousin/random Adam has to say about this game (For the aforementioned reasons).
Conclusion: All this outrage, all these threats on boycotting a game/not buying a game/saying you won't buy a game because of reason X is just hollow in nature for the most part. Those 3% will literally be nothing for any big game and game developer to worry about. It will just be seen as collateral damage.
And that's all it really is.
I literally explained this already and the fact you are asking me for the 3rd time seems overdue. This also means you didn't actually retract your statement or apologized unlike what you said.
The fact that you are throwing multiple barrels around (When reversely, i did apologize to you for something else and conceded as such) and seem unwilling to make an apology on the basis i laid out in my prior post is a display of immaturity.
Leave it to ERA to forfeit any nuance in this. CDPR serves an international audience so they just had to know about it. To be fair, i wouldn't expect them to treat it fairly given CDPR was in the news before for ''controversy.''
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I am still puzzled by this and since I am not sure about your exact definition of "corrective tap" and especially the corrective nature of such, I cannot unconditionally retract the statement, because it would be dependant on that. Since I am pretty sure there is no person on earth who would claim that merely touching your child gently to gain its attention is either
(1) child abuse
(2) physical punishment
(3) punishment at all
(4) a corrective measure
and given the context you used the term in and your reaction towards my postings it still appears incomprehensible how you could mean, by corrective tip, specifically only things that I would not classify as child abuse. If you give me a complete definition what consitutes corrective tips and how this is at all related to the topic of physical punishment, which, I repeat, is unconditionally and in all instances child abuse, I can make it an unconditional statement. Without that, I cannot.
Whether you deem something I do mature or not is irrelevant to me, so do not expect me to be willing to discuss the issue of maturity.
ITs far worse actually fro some
Ask Your Child for Consent Before Changing Diapers, Expert Says
https://mom.me/news/254403-ask-your-child-consent-changing-diapers-says-expert/
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I have no idea where you find such lunatic headlines. A baby is not mentally capable of consenting to changing diapers. They want to feel good. Being undressed and cleaned is uncomfortable. While being in full diapers is also uncomfortable, for a moment, these two uncomfortable situations add up, so the child will be unhappy about it. But it would not be able to comprehend yet that it is an overall improvement of its situation. Changing diapers is not a disciplinary action though (and if it was used as one then, yes, it would be child abuse, but what kind of crook would come up with disciplinary diaper changes?).
I know this but this has been thrown around a few month ago. Not the exact same link but I think it was a Australian TV interview about this kind of topics.
I am just too deep into this shit....
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Noboru Wataya
Banned
Would you like me to change your underpants?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Its number 4, to gain its attention by means of corrective measurement. The child itself may percieve this as punishment, which is the intent of such a tap.
There, now you know.
See the above and include that named it corrective tap specifically to distinct it from terminology that actually is child abuse. Now you know.
How is your evidence going along by the way?
Claiming you retracted the accusation but you then want a definition of what i meant with corrective tap before you do so. (Retracting the accusation).
That would be forcing the baby to change his underwear without his consent, which is child abuse.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Redneckerz
(not quoting for obvious reasons): I have not yet have had time to collect posting chains, so no progress on that. When I do find the time, I will do it in one sitting, so there won't be a progress report.What do you mean by corrective measurement here? If the child can perceive it (within reason; especially if it is the intent to make the action itself perceived as punishment) as corporal punishment and not just as a call for attention for what may be (non-corporal) punishment, then I think it is child abuse. I hope you can see in how far it is difficult to retract the statement, as it is still unclear to me what extend you exactly mean and everything beyond a gentle touch would be child abuse from my perspective.
As I said, I will not debate maturity with you.
I claimed that I conditionally retracted it, I did not claim I unconditionally retracted it. If you want it unconditionally, I need a formal definition of the term. Since you seem convinced I would come to the conclusion that you positively do not mean child abuse of any form, your reading of this conditional statement should evaluate to a retract. If you want the conditional part resolved by me, then you would need to provide me the required understanding of what the term exactly describes.
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Shmunter
Member
Curious on the Trump transgender issue. Is the problem that self gender appointment has essentially spiraled out of control and it’s being wound back on grounds of common sense?
Where does the matter stand right now? e.g. hypothetically could a male Pro tennis star one day claim he feels like a woman and subsequently be sanctioned to compete in the women’s tennis competition, or would he need to need to first undergone a transformation? Is “feeling” you are a certain sex sufficient? Where are the lines and is this essentially the argument?
Where does the matter stand right now? e.g. hypothetically could a male Pro tennis star one day claim he feels like a woman and subsequently be sanctioned to compete in the women’s tennis competition, or would he need to need to first undergone a transformation? Is “feeling” you are a certain sex sufficient? Where are the lines and is this essentially the argument?
The Elite
BOSS
My son tries to roll away every time I try to change his diaper. I guess he is not giving me consent. I will never change his diaper again. Thanks for this.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Well you know what to do. Till then i consider your posts regarding this matter unsubstantial and without evidence. For all the time you spend defending that there is a problem, i am going to set my expectations rather high and believe that you will deliver.
Until then, your posts should be seen as such.
You want to claim that kids should know what is actual corporal punishment? Kids see most things/corrections as punishment, this is what i meant when i said that well, the kid will consider it punishment, when the corrective tap is a correction with the intent to gain the kids attention.
You did not retract anything as you are still implying that i advocate child abuse when that isn't the case. I just gave you the definition as how i see it, if you can't logically add things up than that's on you, not me.
Also, asking for exact definitions on words is a poor debational tool. I am sure you are capable of logical addition as much as you are capable of writing posts ad nauseam on this matter.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Redneckerz
: Maybe you can live with the following:I now understand that a corrective tap in your terminology is supposed an action that by itself is not intended as a punishment, may not inflict any pain and merely is done as a way to gain a child's attention. It can be used in conjunction with a punishment, but by itself it cannot be a punishment. So, assuming I do not misunderstand you: By advocating for corrective taps, you have not, from my perspective, advocated for child abuse. Consequently I am sorry that I understood you differently before and expressed it as such.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Reading the GOG thread on ERA kinda makes me sad. Some of those people really need help... This is not normal. Hope CDPR doesn't make the same mistake and apologizes again. If only gaming media wouldn't chime in on this lunacy... Just ignore them.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
B-R-A-V-O.
I now understand that a corrective tap in your terminology is supposed an action that by itself is not intended as a punishment, may not inflict any pain and merely is done as a way to gain a child's attention. It can be used in conjunction with a punishment, but by itself it cannot be a punishment. So, assuming I do not misunderstand you: By advocating for corrective taps, you have not, from my perspective, advocated for child abuse. Consequently I am sorry that I understood you differently before and expressed it as such.
What mistake? People getting
I consider it bad that they apologized in the first place, catering to the crowd of
HypocritiERA at the same time embracing
Heebie Jeebies
Banned
The mod saying 'this is our opinion and anyone who disagrees with it will be moderated' sums up Era pretty nicely.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
That and the CDPR stuff is literally what shapes the negative image that ERA has.
For context: The last time they decided to boycott something was Kingdom Come. Lets see what SteamSpy says:
- Owners: 1,000,000 .. 2,000,000
I also doubt ERAdians are going to tell others offline about this and advocate to boycott the game. Predominantly because i am going to assume that:
- They don't have any friends interested to hear this stuff
- They don't have any persuasion skills (Which is why they only advocate this on the safe net)
- They don't have any friends period (Well people with 20k posts.. i think its safe to make that wager)
Seriously any member there advocating a ban for CP2077 and advocating for a boycott, diminishing years of work by dozens of people on the virtue of a single social media account is simply
Blam
Member
Honestly at this point CDPR is using the any PR is good PR, because it seems they want to do something every month or so to have them continue talking about the game.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Par for the course on Ree.
supermassiveblackhole
Member
Sorry Red, but your stance against the boycotts is a bit hollow.
Boycotting is a personal choice. Some indivduals made that call. So what if the overall sales show success? They took their personal action in-line with their morals.
Now, feel free to deicuss this entire morals all you want, but boycotting a thing is a perfectly reasonable stance to take.
Boycotting is a personal choice. Some indivduals made that call. So what if the overall sales show success? They took their personal action in-line with their morals.
Now, feel free to deicuss this entire morals all you want, but boycotting a thing is a perfectly reasonable stance to take.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I mean, i would too. If you only have a minority of your sales being offended enough at the game to go for a boycott (Which like Magikarp's Splash is totally not effective) then why not.
Basically
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
It is, i am just saying it has little to no effect to the sales of the game, and given the intent of ERAdians, they want the game to be a financial failure. In which case boycotting is just dumb since it has no effect.
Even more so, if you can morally justify the idea to directly ignore the efforts of many because of the tweets of few then you can question if empathy is a high priority. I reckon people would proclaim not to care about the efforts of many because they assume they (The employees) condone these tweets or aren't atleast publically taking a stance against it. That's how ERA-logic works: Reducing the complexity of an issue by removing nuance and tact and equating the situation as a whole without any nuance being allowed to exist (as that's a ban, see this example)
I usually avoid game discourse about controversial context like politics and other controversials (except they influence the gameplay, e.g. mtx, Shadow of More Dollar, Destiny 2, etc.). And when you only discuss games as a self-contained medium with its gameplay mechanics and story and so on, ERA can be a cool place to hang out. There are photography/screenshot threads, OTs, LTTP threads, and so on. But when threads like this CDP thread always appear at the very top, it is hard to ignore that discussion and I feel like people really love to be outraged over something (and the use of 'something' in this context would probably piss of, again, some people, too)—the 'outrage-culture' is even discussed in lectures on cultural studies at my university.
The discussion there is cumbersome and it strikes me that I almost do not belong to that place when I really just want to play video games and discuss them occasionally without the drama surrounding them. As I said, you can still do that, but such a topic really make waves, is always on top, and unfortunately there is no feature allowing to ignore a topic.
The discussion there is cumbersome and it strikes me that I almost do not belong to that place when I really just want to play video games and discuss them occasionally without the drama surrounding them. As I said, you can still do that, but such a topic really make waves, is always on top, and unfortunately there is no feature allowing to ignore a topic.
supermassiveblackhole
Member
No, boycotting Ian kit dumb as it's about -a personal stance. It doean't matter about the final sales figures, it's about being consistent in terms of opinion and morals.
Again, the latter is open to debate, the former really isn't.
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