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Tamanon said:
Joey Porter only feasts on running backs for his sacks. And if they're any good he gets lit up. He was absolutely stonewalled by MJD several times last year. Lit the fack up.

It's true, as I said, he's a scheme guy and isn't going to beat most linemen one on one. I can't believe the guaranteed money the Dolphins threw at him, nuts. That's money they needed for offense.
 
some reports that stallworth has signed a 6 yr deal with the patriots.

guys allow me some venting room.....this is esp for the eagles fans:

last yr with a injured mcnabb and ass of a defense we still made the playoffs, past the wild card, and nearly beat the saints to reach the conference game. this is how bad the nfc was/is. the bucs seemingly have realized this. the bucs seem to think that by loading up on veterans and not saving their money shots for the future...they might have a chance in this weak conference to go far....

the offense did not need much improvement....i mean we have a QB, we have a do it all RB, and if this stallworth signing is true....WE HAVE #2 WR in Brown who could become a #1 and a bunch of rejects who will play #2 and #3. WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS FO? are we trying to revert back to the days of small and johnson? to trash and pinkston? WTF?

i love reggie brown but he alone is not a WR corps and till late in the season he was dropping a lot of balls.....and considering how much we throw and how much we rely on a passing game its just ludicrous that WRs is the spot we least focus on. WANNA KNOW WHY MCNABB GETS HURT SO MUCH? cause we have a FO and coach who believe all they need to is provide McNabb is a bunch of fat asses on the O LINE so he can have 7+ seconds to find a WR who breaks his route and confuses the DB enough that he becomes open. amd if no one is open? he must out wrestle DEs to escape like houdini and hope he can make a play.

they never learn. put real WRs with McNabb (even those with questionable hammys) and we flourish offensively. RUN THE BALL AND WE FLOURISH EVEN MORE. but no we are letting stallworth (a young WR with speed that kills) walk. he isnt demanding the bank. with the idiocy of this FO continuing what does it matter if McNabb comes back healthy in time? we are going to resort to passing 70% of the time, only running on 3 and 6 so westbrook can be stuffed at the line. im sick and tired of this FO and philosophy.

i am a reid guy....hes an amazing coach and year after year we seemingly produce a lot more out of nothing and prove the critics wrong. but I hate his free agency and draft approach. sure we do not sign WRs but we do not draft any good ones either (aside from Brown so far). for how long do we need to do this? at what point do we realize "HEY THIS CONFERENCE HAS BEEN WEAK FOR A WHILE AND MAYBE NOW WE SHOULD TRY TO CAPITALIZE AND WIN JUST ONE FRIKING SUPERBOWL????!!!! what are we saving the money for? who are we going to draft? another offensive lineman? another d linemean?

so what do the eagles do so far?

since they did not care to re sign stallworth and keep a pretty good offense intact, did they improve their awful defense? no! in fact we resigned another "bullet" of a DE to a huge contract so by midseason all of our overpaid Dlinemen can be pushed around as our shitty LB corps misses tackles and watches average RBs run all over us. WTF are we doing?

the eagles consistently ignore two vital parts of the team....WRs and LBs. we do not draft good ones and we do not consider them "need" positions. well maybe if we did not pass so much and maybe if our RUN D was not consistently bad we could AFFORD to ignore these 2 positions.

i dont wanna be the redskins. i do not wanna be the niners of this off season. but i do want to know the team is trying to win this yr and every yr. we have the WORST LB corps in the league. we refuse to improve it. we are going to rely on guys reid has a "good feeling" about. who cares whether the guy is undersized and cant tackle a lick. who cares if the Dline produces some pressure early but always disappears.

hell even the pats are trying to sign players when they realize a "need".

at this rate we are stuck with a philosophy of we can pluck anyone in and compete....which we do but to no end. at least when the pats do it they can say they have won titles doing so. we are stuck with a D coordinator who only knows how to blitz and never realizes we are out manned and oversized at LB and lacking serious depth at DBs.

was this long?
 
The eagles approach to RBs has always been the same as the Broncos approach to running backs. They believe in their system that they can plug pretty much anyone in and they can flourish. Their production makes it hard for me to totally discount that notion, but I do think they'll look for a WR in the draft. Obviously Reid feels that Baskett and or Avant are ready to step up this year as Reggie did last year.
 
Nameless said:
The eagles approach to RBs has always been the same as the Broncos approach to running backs. They believe in their system that they can plug pretty much anyone in and they can flourish. Their production makes it hard for me to totally discount that notion, but I do think they'll look for a WR in the draft. Obviously Reid feels that Baskett and or Avant are ready to step up this year as Reggie did last year.


umm the eagles dont have a approach to RBs. they were lucky to find westbrook in the drat but considering they do not use him enough in the running game as it is i dont even wanna talk about the running game.

the problem is that REGGIE BROWN was the exception to the rule. na brown, freddie mitchell, todd pinkston, brilliant signings such as small, charles johnson, james thrash, and some other scrubs clearly proves the eagles either do not know how to draft/sign/evaluate WRs or that they do not care enough. this time around we do not have the luxury of a pretty dominant defense to cover up the lack of talent at WRs.
 
effzee said:
umm the eagles dont have a approach to RBs. they were lucky to find westbrook in the drat but considering they do not use him enough in the running game as it is i dont even wanna talk about the running game.

the problem is that REGGIE BROWN was the exception to the rule. na brown, freddie mitchell, todd pinkston, brilliant signings such as small, charles johnson, james thrash, and some other scrubs clearly proves the eagles either do not know how to draft/sign/evaluate WRs or that they do not care enough. this time around we do not have the luxury of a pretty dominant defense to cover up the lack of talent at WRs.


it was a typo.. I meant their approach to WRs.
 
Nameless said:
it was a typo.. I meant their approach to WRs.


even then the broncos approach works cause they consistently have 1000 yd rushers. i wouldnt mind if the eagles stuck anyone at WR and he caught a lot of TDs and had over 1000yds.

i believe the eagles have a offensive line to run the ball rather effectively and with a back like westbrook we have a home run hitter with every touch.

but they seem to want to avoid the talent they have and then not load up on talent they want for the scheme/style they wanna use.
 
effzee said:
even then the broncos approach works cause they consistently have 1000 yd rushers. i wouldnt mind if the eagles stuck anyone at WR and he caught a lot of TDs and had over 1000yds.

i believe the eagles have a offensive line to run the ball rather effectively and with a back like westbrook we have a home run hitter with every touch.

but they seem to want to avoid the talent they have and then not load up on talent they want for the scheme/style they wanna use.

Well, no-one really puts up gawdy numbers, but its similar in the since that the Eagles usually have a stellar pass attack regarudless of who they plug in. Outside of T.O. you go back to the days of Fryar and Ingram, Pinkston and Thrash, and most recently Brown and Stallworth they've gotten it done without a probowl WR. Hell, even The People's Champ was some what productive.
 
Should have known the ****ing vultures of the NFL, the Seahawks would be the ones to pick up Kerney. I like Kerney and hate to see him go to a team I loathe, but can't really blame him though. He got the big payday he was looking for.

Eventhough he's turning 30, I think he's still an excellent pass rusher and has a good year or even 2 left in him.

Well McKay you better really put those GM skils to use and find us a suitable replacement in the draft.
 
Nameless said:
Well, no-one really puts up gawdy numbers, but its similar in the since that the Eagles usually have a stellar pass attack regarudless of who they plug in. Outside of T.O. you go back to the days of Fryar and Ingram, Pinkston and Thrash, and most recently Brown and Stallworth they've gotten it done without a probowl WR. Hell, even The People's Champ was some what productive.


what? whats your def of productive? yeah we took advantage of a pretty dominant D, mcnabbs ability to stretch plays and run for 1st downs, and a weak NFC (esp NFC East) but by no means was our WR corps ever productive besides in 04-05 when TO was here and last season with Stallworth and Brown.

Fryar and prior else were before Reids time.
 
Nameless said:
The Raiders just apparently signed the man with no knees. AKA Jeremy Newberry.
And they restructured Curry and Jordan's contract. More cap room! They're doing what I said...Kiffin reads GAF.
 
Denver got Graham

The Broncos made their another huge free-agent splash Tuesday night by signing New England tight end Daniel Graham to a five-year contract.

The Thomas Jefferson High School graduate and former CU star signed a $30 million deal with $15 million in guaranteed money.

Graham is the second big-ticket player Denver has signed in the past two days. The Broncos signed running back Travis Henry to a five-year deal with $12 million in guarantees on Monday.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5370262

So we got Travis Henry, Daniel Graham and Dre Bly, pretty damn good FA if you ask me. Its also nice to know our Newspaper writers didnt pass elementary school grammar class.
 
Rorschach said:
And they restructured Curry and Jordan's contract. More cap room! They're doing what I said...Kiffin reads GAF.

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Why the **** did we sign Graham, and why the **** did we give him 5 years and so much money? NFL.com says the highest paid TE in the freakin NFL? Did the staff forget all the chemistry Jay Jesus Cutler and Scheffler had at the end of last season? Holy crap. That's millions of dollars that could have went into something we actually need, like offensive line depth, WR depth or I don't know... a defensive lineman or two that might almost sack the QB once or twice.
 
Andokuky said:
Why the **** did we sign Graham, and why the **** did we give him 5 years and so much money? NFL.com says the highest paid TE in the freakin NFL? Did the staff forget all the chemistry Jay Jesus Cutler and Scheffler had at the end of last season? Holy crap. That's millions of dollars that could have went into something we actually need, like offensive line depth, WR depth or I don't know... a defensive lineman or two that might almost sack the QB once or twice.

Vernon Davis is getting paid more; but if Vernon lives up to his potential he'll be 100 x better.
 
Redskins trying to get Dre Bly from Broncos who may be interested.(ESPN)

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/10043471

DENVER (March 6, 2007) -- The Broncos have heard Dre' Bly is bitter about being traded to Denver, and that he would prefer to play for Washington.

The team, though, wants to give their new cornerback some time to warm up to the deal. It has been only a few days since the 29-year-old Bly was acquired from Detroit -- along with a sixth-round pick -- for running back Tatum Bell, offensive lineman George Foster and a fifth-round pick.
 
I think that Bly thinks the Skins are going to give him a huge paydays. Joe Gibbs said that their approach to F/A has changed, Bly is a year late.

For once the Redskins F/O seems to be doing the right thing. They aren't going after the "best" at every position of need. They're grabbing guys who are decent enough and who will excel once all of the pieces are put into place. I'm liking it thus far.
 
So we finalized the Jones deal: $20 Mill for 4 years w/ a guaranteed $12 Mill.

We also signed former Dallas DE Kenyon Coleman to a 5 year $20 Mill contract, $6 mill guaranteed.

Word is we're still looking for a veteran right tackle and a cornerback. Supposedly we are shopping WR Justin McCareins (meh) and LB Eric Barton (who I like).

And we seem to be stocking up on DE's, resigning Bobby Hamilton after a pay cut, and are negotiating with Miami DE David Bowens. Speculation is that we will employ the 4-3 much more next year, which would free up Vilma to wreak havoc.
 
Veteran Right Tackle you say?

Why I know a Maurice Williams that the Jags just happen to have to spare, possibly to trade. I hear he's outstanding.

for the run game
 
I was talking about this to a Jet fan here at work, the Jets may have the best left-side of the OLine in the league.

Ferguson - Kendall - Mangold.

:-o
 
With these prices, I'm going to laugh my ass off at whatever team breaks the bank for Bryant McKinney next season. :lol :lol

It'll probably be us. :(
 
SonnyBoy said:
I think that Bly thinks the Skins are going to give him a huge paydays. Joe Gibbs said that their approach to F/A has changed, Bly is a year late.

For once the Redskins F/O seems to be doing the right thing. They aren't going after the "best" at every position of need. They're grabbing guys who are decent enough and who will excel once all of the pieces are put into place. I'm liking it thus far.

Their approach has changed? I don't think so, unfortunately. The only reason they haven't gone crazy is because they simply haven't got the cap room. They're still up to their old tricks--letting valuable players go (Derrick Dockery), signing new FAs for big contracts (London Fletcher). That said, part of their ability to do that in the past was pulling magic tricks with all of the various bonuses/salary payments and just restructuring money so that it wouldn't count towards the cap.

I could foresee another 3-way deal in which the Redskins give up Springs and draft picks to some other team that gives a player and/or draft picks to Denver which gives the Redskins Bly. Denver has to have other needs aside from CB (what's their WR corps look like?) and if Washington can find a team looking to deal a player that matches those needs they're set.
 
LiveWire said:
Their approach has changed? I don't think so, unfortunately. The only reason they haven't gone crazy is because they simply haven't got the cap room. They're still up to their old tricks--letting valuable players go (Derrick Dockery), signing new FAs for big contracts (London Fletcher). That said, part of their ability to do that in the past was pulling magic tricks with all of the various bonuses/salary payments and just restructuring money so that it wouldn't count towards the cap.

I could foresee another 3-way deal in which the Redskins give up Springs and draft picks to some other team that gives a player and/or draft picks to Denver which gives the Redskins Bly. Denver has to have other needs aside from CB (what's their WR corps look like?) and if Washington can find a team looking to deal a player that matches those needs they're set.

You wanted us to pay Dockery what he got? Are you insane? That said our contract offer to Fletcher is very reasonable for a productive MLB. I don't see the huge contract part of it.
 
sableholic said:
You wanted us to pay Dockery what he got? Are you insane? That said our contract offer to Fletcher is very reasonable for a productive MLB. I don't see the huge contract part of it.

No, but my point is look at what they paid Archuleta and Lloyd, and what production they got out of it. Then look at how they've let guys who were good AND/OR were good for morale go (Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce) because they didn't want to meet their needs. That's what I mean.

In Fletcher's case, no, it wasn't a HUGE sum, but who knows how much he wanted to leave the Bills, or what other benefits/restructuring that Snyder promised him in the future.

As far as I'm concerned, the previous mentality is still there. It's just not as obvious since there's little resources (draft picks, salary cap room) to throw around this offseason.
 
Slo said:
With these prices, I'm going to laugh my ass off at whatever team breaks the bank for Bryant McKinney next season. :lol :lol

It'll probably be us. :(

Well the track record for players that have left the Vikings organization via free agency or trade is pretty good. I think the Giants might take a chance!
 
LiveWire said:
No, but my point is look at what they paid Archuleta and Lloyd, and what production they got out of it. Then look at how they've let guys who were good AND/OR were good for morale go (Ryan Clark, Antonio Pierce) because they didn't want to meet their needs. That's what I mean.

In Fletcher's case, no, it wasn't a HUGE sum, but who knows how much he wanted to leave the Bills, or what other benefits/restructuring that Snyder promised him in the future.

As far as I'm concerned, the previous mentality is still there. It's just not as obvious since there's little resources (draft picks, salary cap room) to throw around this offseason.

It still has yet to be determined but it looks like they're doing the right things.

They didnt over pay for Dock.
They got London at a good price.
They got Smoot for a decent price.
Both Smoot and London are familiar with the system and play well in it.
We won't have any chemistry issues with Smoot, we know what we;re getting.
We haven;t pissed away any draft picks yet.
We RESIGNED tons of our own players. Thomas, Sellers, Jimoh just to name a few.

Forget about 2006, focus on what they're doing now. What they're doing now is unlike the past. Joe said they're taking a new approach and this is it. I'm pissed at their past moves too but things seem to be turning around.
 
dskillzhtown said:
So we would rather roll the dice with a pick and get a washed up back instead of getting a proven back that was just in the Super Bowl last year? We pass up on a player that was a big contributor to a Super Bowl team for a player whose best years are in the past? So in a year or two we are still looking for a real #1 RB.

We still don't have a QB, we still are getting other teams' unwanted players, we still have only have ONE playmaker on the offensive side of the ball. I am just frustrated as a season ticket holder that this team isn't really making any major moves to improve itself. Ron Dayne, Ahman Green, Jake Plummer, etc. How can any fan get excited about any of that?

I'm season ticket holder too, but you realize how bad our cap situation is? We've got 20 million in dead money. Next year, we'll have plenty to spend on impact free agent signings. Plus next year will be a better QB class. There just isn't shit I'd want to have for QB out there (I did not want Plummer, but I would have been happy with Garcia--even given his age). I'm willing to get the FO two more years before I bail out.
 
dskillzhtown said:
So we would rather roll the dice with a pick and get a washed up back instead of getting a proven back that was just in the Super Bowl last year? We pass up on a player that was a big contributor to a Super Bowl team for a player whose best years are in the past? So in a year or two we are still looking for a real #1 RB.

We still don't have a QB, we still are getting other teams' unwanted players, we still have only have ONE playmaker on the offensive side of the ball. I am just frustrated as a season ticket holder that this team isn't really making any major moves to improve itself. Ron Dayne, Ahman Green, Jake Plummer, etc. How can any fan get excited about any of that?


It's the Texans,we have no money right now and honestly what do you expect ? players to come begging to play for our team.

I wouldnt call Green washed up just yet and he's hell of a lot better than anything we had last season.Green is great at picking up blitzes,so maybe who ever is the QB this year wont land on his ass 100 times.I for one think the Texans were smart to bring in a veteran,the team needs some leadership on O cause they didnt have any last year.

I also agree with Mash,I'm totally against the Texans trading draft picks for players when we have way too many holes to fill.I feel we actually have a real Gm and Coach now who are really trying their best to get rid of all the nasty shit that was left behind for them.

April cant get here soon enough.

edit- We also honestly dont know if the Texans asked the Bears about Jones.
 
Ugh the Browns are talking to Jamal Lewis. If they sign him I hope they don't do something stupid like not draft Peterson.
 
wow, dante stallworth turned down a $33 million deal from the patriots. wtf?

more news:

* 49ers have matched the steelers offer for Andy Lee. you're staying in SF you ugly ****!
* eric johnson signed with the saints. bye eric, i loved you when you were healthy :(
* 49ers are interested in darrell jackson from the seahawks
 
Rumor going around that Chris Brown has been signed by the Buffalo Bills. I don't like the signing, he hasn't shown the toughness I want to see in a RB and he's fumbling machine.

Second rumor going around (Michael Smith, Sirius and PFT reporting on it), Mcgahee looks like he's going to the Ravens for a 2nd and a 5th by tomorrow.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
wow, dante stallworth turned down a $33 million deal from the patriots. wtf?

more news:

* 49ers have matched the steelers offer for Andy Lee. you're staying in SF you ugly ****!
* eric johnson signed with the saints. bye eric, i loved you when you were healthy :(
* 49ers are interested in darrell jackson from the seahawks

Drew Rosenhaus said he was visiting the Dolphins today and tomorrow.
 
Bucs NEWS!

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers signed a pair of defensive tackles Wednesday, inking free agents Lance Legree and Kenny Smith to contracts, PewterReport.com is reporting.

Defensive signings begin!

Indianapolis Colts free agent safety Mike Doss is scheduled to visit the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Thursday. Doss, 25, originally entered the NFL in 2003 as a second-round draft pick out of Ohio State. He only played in six games last season due to an ACL injury.

Come to Tampa where its warm, Doss!
 
Michael Lewis Goes On WIP and Blasts the Eagles

Eagles former strong safety and current 49er, Michael Lewis went on 610-WIP this afternoon and blasted the Eagles for changing the way they treated him after he turned down a contract proposal. He had quite a few other things to say about the organization which weren't very flattering.

The Eagles former strong safety Michael Lewis who was recently signed by the San Francisco 49ers was on 610-WIP radio this afternoon talking with afternoon host Steve Martorano and former Eagles All-Pro defensive end Hugh Douglas. Lewis took quite a few shots at the Eagles during the interview and intimated that he thought his refusal to agree to an Eagles contract proposal had a lot to do with his falling into disfavor with the organization. Lewis said he was told by an Eagles employee that the entire organization was very sad to hear that he had turned down the Birds contract proposal. Michael said he felt that there were subtle changes in his treatment by the team there after.

Lewis said he and his agent had picked out the San Francisco 49ers as the team he would go to when he was benched by the Eagles for giving up a touchdown pass play against the New Orleans Saints. Lewis was beaten by Joe Horn on a double move and the Birds ultimately lost the game. The strong safety emphasized again and again that he thought he was benched for one play. Lewis said the Eagles had let him know the week before that he was playing great and having another Pro Bowl year, like the one he enjoyed in 2004. But according to Lewis, after that play, he was told that he couldn't play for the Eagles or Jim Johnson any longer. Lewis said he hadn't lost his confidence as Johnson and his staff had said. The former Colorado University star said he hadn't lost anything in his game and was shocked at how all this could happen.

Michael said after he was benched for the one play, he knew his days were numbered as an Eagle. The former Bird's All-Pro said he was never able to talk to Andy Reid or Jim Johnson about the matter. Michael said he and his wife endured many sleepless nights trying to understand how and why he could be benched. Lewis said it was a long and tough struggle to keep doing his best despite spending most of the game on the bench, when he knew he was the best man to be on the field trying to help his teammates win. Lewis mentioned Dawkins, Trotter and other teammates, who kept him positive as he fought through the year.

He said after he was benched, he and his agent identified the Niners as a team with salary cap room and the need of a good strong safety. One of his college coaches, Vince Joseph, was on the Niners staff and that made them a perfect fit for him. Lewis said he's very happy with his contract which is much more than the Eagles had offered. Michael mentioned that he and his agent had only talked to the Niners.

Lewis now feels he has to rebuild his name because of the ordeal in Philadelphia and he promised that he will be making a return trip to the Pro Bowl next year. Michael said he's asked everywhere he goes, "what happened in Philly" and he has to explain. Lewis finished the interview by thanking the Eagles for giving him a chance to play, when many teams around the league turned their backs on him before the draft because of his heart condition, which is an erratic heartbeat.

eagles organization is horrible. just look at the way they treated jgar, who should be the starter this year for that team. but noooooo, they have to let mcribb start. what a bunch of garbage. go michael lewis go!!!

Lance Legree

stop stealing our garbage! **** off lance you had it made in SF!
 
I think the Eagles organization were just replaying over and over again in their heads Michael Lewis getting beat by Terry Glenn on 4th and 20.
 
Jamal Lewis to Brown per John Clayton.

Giants' K Jay Feely won't return most likely and Giants interested in S Deon Grant and LB Donnie Edwards.
 
Ripclawe said:
Joe Horn to the Falcons(ESPN)


Yeah..don't know how I feel about this yet. Horn is a dependable receiver and could be a leader in the locker room, yet he's 35 and has been injuried alot as of late. If this discourages us from going after CJ, I will be very disappointed.
 
tmdorsey said:
Yeah..don't know how I feel about this yet. Horn is a dependable receiver and could be a leader in the locker room, yet he's 35 and has been injuried alot as of late. If this discourages us from going after CJ, I will be very disappointed.

CJ...as in Calvin Johnson!? Not with Reggie Ball sr. throwing him the ball.
 
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