Just to add to the confusion the cover of EDGE magazine really wants to fuck with us too.
All of this sounds very promising, good (confusing?) times ahead.
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All of this sounds very promising, good (confusing?) times ahead.
You're made up of older calculations Toma and cannot be upgraded. You'll spend the rest of eternity as 'Almost Lifelike' while some of us get to do interviews with the press.
catapult37
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Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial, but it does pile up rather quickly:
a) multiple examples in this thread of incredible real-time face rendering
b) kojima's recent push to show the photorealism of the fox engine, including facial rendering
c) as I mentioned above, the dark, empty background and bandages would reduce the processing power needed to render such detail in the few exposed facial parts
d) keighley and mogren never in the same frame
e) the obvious mystery / fakery around mogren
f) Kojima
I'm enough of a lurker that no one will probably care if I stake a claim here, but I would not be surprised if this is not only a demo of Fox Engine, and that the whole "what is real/generated" thing will tie into MGS5 as a theme much like gene/meme/scene in the previous games.
While not strictly CG related, this is a theme that's been going around a lot in film lately. See Joaquin Phoenix's I'm Still Here, Exit Through the Gift Shop, and Certified Copy. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kojima exploring this theme while promoting the technological leap of his new engine.
I will add you to my list of people to publicly shame
of course if I am wrong, then the same could be said of me
PetriP-TNT
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I say it's CGI. Everything points to yes.
Meatvillain
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People need to stop mentioning Mogren and Keighley never being in the same frame as evidence, it's a pretty common practice.
Not saying I believe he's CG, but if they're using a video capture system similar to that of LA Noire's and the video posted above, there's nothing to stop them from capturing all those nuances.
And hey, the crazy-town express is a hell of a ride!
This doesn't look like real hair to me.
?? how does that not look like real hair.
Hair is the hardest thing to do. NO game gets hair to look good. We know kojima has good face tech, but we haven't heard anything about hairtech.
Even tressfx looks terribly unreal.
That is clearly real hair. Why would they bother to animate a single strand?
Charoncaori
Member
Even when he's handing him the ipad? It's extremely awkward, you can't even tell who is holding it.
The thing with hair, is it's hard to animate realistically. However, his hair never moves, it's completely still. Even that one strand, from what I can tell.
DJSharpeCheddar
Banned
Dude...no.
Edit: But that would be pretty cool if he could pull it off, haha.
...but, no.
Edit: But that would be pretty cool if he could pull it off, haha.
...but, no.
Given that the camera doesn't pan but rather cuts away to the iPad, the hand not being CG is irrelevant.
Skyfireblaze
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And things like this are why I love the internet! Well I'm leaning towards "it's not CGI" though I'm absolutely not sure so I will watch this unfold I kind of reminds me of my teenage times where the PSP still had a surprise by homebrew developers every day anew and people found all kinds of hidden things in Windows Vista/Longhorn. Nowadays I feel many people don't care about nice uncoverings so a bit Kojima craziness is always welcome!
Well I'm leaning towards "it's not CGI" though I'm absolutely not sure so I will watch this unfold I kind of reminds me of my teenage times where the PSP still had a surprise by homebrew developers every day anew and people found all kinds of hidden things in Windows Vista/Longhorn. Nowadays I feel many people don't care about nice uncoverings so a bit Kojima craziness is always welcome!DecoyOctopus
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What this render (on the left for people who are can not make the distinction between real life and CG) needs is silhouette tessellation and a touch more skin related imperfection. But, my goodness that looks stupendous. If that becomes the standard for next gen faces thanks to Fox Engine, then Kojima would be sending more fans to psych ward.
I..I... I... SMH, OMG, such blindly uber hyper ultra max optimistic individuals.
But then again, why would a modeller miss such an obvious detail and at the same time design everything else so incredibly life-like?
Charoncaori
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I'm just saying I believe it to be equally likely.
Kojima likes to mislead people Why would they show a bunch of hair? makes no sense or do you think the guys who bandaged him got lazy? I'm really not sure dude.
People here are trying to make it sound like Fox News, giving all rumours an equal chance regardless how ridiculous the other side of the argument may be.
I guess I expected a bit more from GAFfers but this is crazy town now.
SirIgbyCeaser
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The way his eye bulge does not look natural. The way the skin conforms around the eyes when he makes that expression makes me think there's something to this all.
In this image you can see the mic.
It'd be funny if he was a CGI character who'll be presenting Fox engine in GDC. But I doubt it, I think he's just a guy.
No chance. No consumer level hardware has the juice to power something like that in real-time.
The problem is that this video seems so pointless, that the ultimate conclusion is that it must have some greater purpose. Something like what's being speculated is a perfect Kojima-like troll. Epic.
because the guy bandaged his head, knowing his face was facing the camera, maybe didn't realize you could see his hair sticking out. Maybe it was a quickly put together PR stunt.
Why would an animater animate hair? Why not just make the bandages go around the whole head perfectly? would be a whole lot easier.
I think one of those options sounds much more likely.
hype is never pointless
We already know both are CG. Geoffs eyes are even more white!
That's the same eye.
OMG Geoff was interviewing HIMSELF confirmed.
Charoncaori
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It doesn't need to be real time, and I wouldn't believe for a second that it was. But it could be prerendered.
If thats the case then its cheap, just show off the face but then clearly give away the fact they cant make good looking CG hands. Cover that up by jumping to a shot of real hands? Meh not buying it.
They even used the same CG and AI model? The Kojima AI is such a cheapskate model.
We already know both are CG. Geoffs eyes are even more white!
look at the sharpness of the iris compared to geoff's. why is one blurred and one not if its the same footage.
It's just free marketing. Get the gullible fools to believe this, and spread it around. Who needs marketing?
Not Spaceghost
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JOAKIM IS BACK ON FOX!
toddhunter
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I think the trick is more making CG hands control an ipad
scytherage
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Movies can't even approximate looking real with CG, I really doubt any home console can do it.
Charoncaori
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In the trailer, the snake lookalike's hair is sticking out in almost exactly the same places.
Rickenslacker
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That's just desperation from the Half-Life fanbase, and given how obtuse Valve ARGs get trying to draw blood from a stone seems normal.
This has people questioning reality and looking for tells of real or CG in frame analysis because of some 4chan post. Shit's amusing as hell to wake up to.
No one said that it's necessarily real-time or part of a game. It might just show the rendering capabilities of the engine.
disclaimer: I'm still not completely on-board with the theory