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[RoyBrown7777]

I remember I use to love Kotaku until Brian Ashcroft was hired to do nothing but post about transgender cosplay. His stories would go on and on about how beautiful some Asian guy was "not even dressed as a game character at times" and then vaguely reference how the person he's masterbating over knows a cousin who works in the industry and that's why it's a video game article. What... The... Fuck...

I just wanted to read about games. The website got to the point where I'd see the top of his articles and have to look around the room at uni to check no one saw what I was about to scroll past. I just wanted to read about games not feel like I was on some pro trans soft core porn website.

If you really wanna talk about places going to shit my God, this place at the peak of its Sony powered social media team trans enforced insanity was the worst. So glad all those dickheads who don't like games have ended up creating their own forum where they can talk bullshit about who has a penis or a vagina rather than talk about the actual games themselves.

 

[Danjin44]

errr subjective as you can still list lots of games with "sexy deign" in the west. That might be as it seems to you, but lots of games still have sexy characters and even nudity and sex scenes

Thats fair, I guess there are people who consider character designs like new Lara and Aloy as "sexy deign".

 

[EDMIX]

That's exactly what I want. I was really excited about having more games with romance options like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. I don't even like playing as male characters at all, I alsways choose female if I can. I loved being in the fandoms around those games discussing romance options and drawing fan art. Unfortunately, it didn't go that way. Andromeda let me down. It didn't even have male/male sex scenes for some reason. It feels like games went backwards a bit, in this regard, especially since Anthem doesn't include this stuff at all.

I do see some steps forward with Assassin's Creed Odyssey and I'm super excited about that. I'm really looking forward to the Last of Us Part II as well. I just hope those kind of games don't come at the expense of the sex appeal I also love in games, particularly Japanese ones. There should be room for it all!

Same. I feel more RPGs need the option as it adds so much to the game.

 

[Snoopycat]

I am not excusing anyone's behavior, just pointing out that people should have personal responsability. The internet is no different than the real world, why would anyone expect people to be nice? That's illogical. That's why there are many ways of handling this problem.

You are excusing people's behaviour. Your entire post was handwaving away the problems of racist idiots screeching their hatred at people and then blaming the victims for not "taking responsibility" for being attacked by idiot racists. There's is nothing illogical about expecting to be able to play a video game without being harrassed or subjected to abuse. It is entirely normal for people to assume they can go online and play their video games without being harrassed.

 

[CatCouch]

errr subjective as you can still list lots of games with "sexy deign" in the west. That might be as it seems to you, but lots of games still have sexy characters and even nudity and sex scenes

Not from my experience. I see games I used to like for having sexy art drop it, like Mortal Kombat did. Andromeda was the last game I played that had sex and it was handled worse than the previous games, including Dragon Age. I certainly know what I want in games and I'm not getting it much in western games when I used to quite a bit. Japanese games still give me the same content I liked before. They didn't tone it down or anything.

I assume we just have very different opinions on what sexy art is and isn't and that's alright!

 

[CatLady]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/wolfenstein-ii-the-new-colossus
https://opencritic.com/game/4490/wolfenstein-2-the-new-colossus

87% Metacritic based on 69 reviews
86% Opencritic based on 113 reviews

63% Metacritic reader score based on 327 ratings
as in the opinions of actual gamers who actually played the game and felt it was in fact actually ruined by a horrible story riddled with political and SJW garbage

 

[EDMIX]

Not from my experience. I see games I used to like for having sexy art drop it, like Mortal Kombat did. Andromeda was the last game I played that had sex and it was handled worse than the previous games, including Dragon Age. I certainly know what I want in games and I'm not getting it much in western games when I used to quite a bit. Japanese games still give me the same content I liked before. They didn't tone it down or anything.

I assume we just have very different opinions on what sexy art is and isn't and that's alright!

I mean, we do have different views as to why its subjective. Though I don't find some of those game characters "sexy" they are clearly designed to be and I try to hold my opinion of how I feel about them back for the discussion as how I personally feel about how something looks in lets say Dragon Age isn't really the topic of discussion, even if I like how it looks, I'm just trying to stay as neutral as possible in terms of that view point to be fair and not biased. I'm sure someone felt that game was sexy lol

I feel most top Japanese games always have amazing design, but I don't want how I personally feel about that to dictate what is being talked about. I mean, I know someone out there loves how Witcher looks so I might say sexy in this topic based on generally what someone would say defines that.

Now how I personally feel....yes, I think Nier, Persona 5, FFXV and many Japanese games have great design, but someone who likes other series can simply list what they personally like and they can't really be wrong as they like what they like.

 

[CatCouch]

I mean, we do have different views as to why its subjective. Though I don't find some of those game characters "sexy" they are clearly designed to be and I try to hold my opinion of how I feel about them back for the discussion as how I personally feel about how something looks in lets say Dragon Age isn't really the topic of discussion, even if I like how it looks, I'm just trying to stay as neutral as possible in terms of that view point to be fair and not biased. I'm sure someone felt that game was sexy lol

I feel most top Japanese games always have amazing design, but I don't want how I personally feel about that to dictate what is being talked about. I mean, I know someone out there loves how Witcher looks so I might say sexy in this topic based on generally what someone would say defines that.

Now how I personally feel....yes, I think Nier, Persona 5, FFXV and many Japanese games have great design, but someone who likes other series can simply list what they personally like and they can't really be wrong as they like what they like.

For me, it comes back to the topic this thread is about. I love a certain type of art and design in these games and it's constantly being put down, insulted and pressured to change by the gaming press. I get depressed when things I loved just stop being made, like the romance in Bioware games or sexy outfits in western fighting games. I don't see who benefits from taking this content out.

If people just liked what they liked I don't think we'd even need a topic like this. It's the people (almost always game journalists) who don't like what I like acting like I'm wrong for liking it. It creates a hostile environment where so much of what I want and pay for is met with vitriol.

 

[Mr Nash]

Traditional game journalism sites are probably only one good recession away from disappearing forever. I'm genuinely curious what those places' overhead is like when accounting for salaries, contract workers, office space and the like come into play. Couple that with rampant use of adblockers, I'd have to imagine things are pretty tight. Meanwhile, Youtubers and Twitch streamers are becoming like the fan sites of old and acting as platforms for the hardcore fans to make whatever content they want.

We can find very niche topics covered by very well-informed individuals there, which is why Youtubers and Twitch streamers are eating game journalists' lunch now. My only concern with streamers and people doing video is that they don't own the platforms where their content is going. They always have to go around with the Sword of Damocles dangling over head, one algorithm change away from their content getting slammed. At least in the age of fan sites, they owned their content (assuming they weren't posting to GeoCities or something). Granted video content is expensive to host, but people who just want to write would be fine, and could probably do quality content of their own that bleeds traffic away from major game sites if they wanted.

 

[EDMIX]

For me, it comes back to the topic this thread is about. I love a certain type of art and design in these games and it's constantly being put down, insulted and pressured to change by the gaming press. I get depressed when things I loved just stop being made, like the romance in Bioware games or sexy outfits in western fighting games. I don't see who benefits from taking this content out.

If people just liked what they liked I don't think we'd even need a topic like this. It's the people (almost always game journalists) who don't like what I like acting like I'm wrong for liking it. It creates a hostile environment where so much of what I want and pay for is met with vitriol.

Agreed. I feel folks need to stop trying to be training wheels on games. If a film has sex or nudity it is rated and we all move on, the same must happen in gaming. The M Rating needs to stand for something as I find folks are treating M as PG-13 as suppose to R. If we put the same content in a movie, it'd simply get a R rating. So I feel ESRB needs to relax and let the M rating really mean MATURE as it makes no sense to keep trying to censor this stuff when the rating exist for a reason.

 

[Thiagosc777]

You are excusing people's behaviour. Your entire post was handwaving away the problems of racist idiots screeching their hatred at people and then blaming the victims for not "taking responsibility" for being attacked by idiot racists. There's is nothing illogical about expecting to be able to play a video game without being harrassed or subjected to abuse. It is entirely normal for people to assume they can go online and play their video games without being harrassed.

Dude, you can be harassed on the streets any time of the day. You must live in a very sheltered environment if you think otherwise. Your city must be crime free.

It is entirely normal for people to assume they can use the report and block buttons. You have the power to not listen to "racist idiots", not sure why you refuse to use it.

 

[oagboghi2]

Clearly you have a different view on the history of gaming. We have more choices when compared to any time in history. Sure some genres rise and fall, but technology has enabled far more than what we had in the past. We also had $60 games in the 1980s and $200-$300 consoles in the 80s and 90s.

Maybe you are like 22 years old and have no memory of the past.

My memory involved various games selling at various price points across multiple genres. It wasn't just -60 bucks or nothing. We had numerous game releasing, retail and digital across the spectrum when it came to price.
I remember there used to be actual competition, not just among hardware manufactures, but publishers as well. From popular genres to niche ones you almost always had two options to pick from, even in sports. Now one or 2 companies buy a license and tell everyone else to get fucked. What great innovation that brought.
I remember a time that multiple genres made huge amounts of money at the same time. This idea that "genres rise and fall" is absurd. Used to be we saw successful rpgs, fps, strategy games, etc etc release and be successful all at the same time
I remember developers and publishers used expansion packs to actually expand games, instead of cutting them up into 6 different DLC's all releasing on top of another.
Games used to have extra content, free on the disc for people to discover. Now we nickel and dime everything, from extra costumes (which used to be free) to cheat codes(which used to be free)

What are the last big innovations in gaming. Free2play aka how to take advantage of kids and their parents credit cards. Lootboxes aka blatant digital gambling meant to take advantage of people who may have problems. Battle Royale? Oh great someone figured out king of the hill and put it on a large map. Lets make 20 more. Who are you trying to fool here?

 

[PedroPanache]

When you gave them atotal pass by ignoring them in your post

it seems like it's only a farce to you becuase you don't like what they are saying...in which case I don't know, tough shit for you. The OP had decent points, but you dismissed them because...youtuber have said the same thing in the past? That's not very damning.

If you think the current market of lootboxes, sequels retreads, cashgrabs and "follow the leader" game design is evidence of a high point is proof of "originality and ideas", than we are just going to have to disagree.

Such is the diversity and the sheer breadth of choice in the current market place, that I can play tons of content that doesn't fall into this very narrow band that you've identified, and only identified for the purposes of this narrative you've created for yourself. But, you know, if you spend so much time with this narrative of yours, I can understand why you can convince yourself the sky is falling. Sequels retreads? Nothing new. "Follow the leader" gameplay? Too generic to even comment upon. Lootboxes? Sure, they're annoying, and yet the choices we have, I don't think I've ever played more than one or two games with lootboxes. But if you look at gaming through the narrow prism of triple A content, then I'm sure you can convince yourself that gaming is at an all-time low. But one swallow doesn't make a summer, and a handful of shitty triple A games doesn't make for a "gaming journalism is ruining gaming" narrative either.

As for the piece in the OP, it's incoherent and just a dude shouting at a bunch of articles, because you know, "gaming journalism is ruining gaming". Don't make me laugh, it's is a farce. But, hey, if you want in on that outrage, more power to you. I just can't bring myself to be outraged at some journalist writing a bad article about spiderman helping cops or some milquetoast Battlefield V controversy. The dude is literally ranting about some article about Batman's ass. That's not very damning. But like I said, if you want in on that narrative, good for you.

 

[oagboghi2]

Such is the diversity and the sheer breadth of choice in the current market place, that I can play tons of content that doesn't fall into this very narrow band that you've identified, and only identified for the purposes of this narrative you've created for yourself. But, you know, if you spend so much time with this narrative of yours, I can understand why you can convince yourself the sky is falling. Sequels retreads? Nothing new. "Follow the leader" gameplay? Too generic to even comment upon. Lootboxes? Sure, they're annoying, and yet the choices we have, I don't think I've ever played more than one or two games with lootboxes. But if you look through gaming through the narrow prism of triple A content, then I'm sure you can convince yourself that gaming is at an all-time low. But one swallow doesn't make a summer, and a handful of shitty triple A games doesn't make for a "gaming journalism is ruining gaming" narrative either.

I feel like I've already commented on this, and i don't want to essentially repeat myself but the bolded made me laugh. "Narrow prism of AAA games" Wait you mean like more than half of the market?

Yes, I guess If stick my head in the ground and ignore the market leaders, the most profitable and industry setting publishiers, the highest selling games of the years, the game design choices that are appearing in more and more games every year, and just live in denial, than I'm sure everything is great. As i said in a different posts right abouve yours, this "high moment" in gaming has given us the great innovation of.... free2play and lootboxes.

Fucking brilliant, Industry has never been better

As for the piece in the OP, it's incoherent and just a dude shouting at a bunch of articles, because you know, "gaming journalism is ruining gaming". Don't make me laugh, it's is a farce. But, hey, if you want in on that outrage, more power to you. I just can't bring myself to be outraged at some journalist writing a bad article about spiderman helping cops or some milquetoast Battlefield V controversy. The dude is literally ranting about some article about Batman's ass. That's not very damning. But like I said, if you want in on that narrative, good for you.

Again, this just comes off as "I like game journalism, and I don't like him criticizing them." which again I say tough shit. I don't see how his outrage is any different from the "kumbaya games have never been better" bullshit you are trying to sell me.

I've read a hundred articles from games media "outraged" about whatever, but I'm supposed to give a that shit a pass, even when it's blatantly wrong. You expect me to get upset over this kid? If he wants to defend batman's ass, let him. He could write a thousand articles like this and it wouldn't match the output of the people he is criticizing.

 

[EDMIX]

Such is the diversity and the sheer breadth of choice in the current market place, that I can play tons of content that doesn't fall into this very narrow band that you've identified, and only identified for the purposes of this narrative you've created for yourself. But, you know, if you spend so much time with this narrative of yours, I can understand why you can convince yourself the sky is falling. Sequels retreads? Nothing new. "Follow the leader" gameplay? Too generic to even comment upon. Lootboxes? Sure, they're annoying, and yet the choices we have, I don't think I've ever played more than one or two games with lootboxes. But if you look through gaming through the narrow prism of triple A content, then I'm sure you can convince yourself that gaming is at an all-time low. But one swallow doesn't make a summer, and a handful of shitty triple A games doesn't make for a "gaming journalism is ruining gaming" narrative either.

As for the piece in the OP, it's incoherent and just a dude shouting at a bunch of articles, because you know, "gaming journalism is ruining gaming". Don't make me laugh, it's is a farce. But, hey, if you want in on that outrage, more power to you. I just can't bring myself to be outraged at some journalist writing a bad article about spiderman helping cops or some milquetoast Battlefield V controversy. The dude is literally ranting about some article about Batman's ass. That's not very damning. But like I said, if you want in on that narrative, good for you.

Agreed and Agreed.

Its like...I own Spiderman, never bought it for the reason some journalist stated based on some fake controversy and never bought any BF based on the reasons talked about on its "controversy". So anyone idiot dumb enough to not buy a game based on such a thing makes me question why they play games in the first place and then some of them have the nerve to bring up "sjw" as if what they are doing is really any different LOL

ie

SJW- "WOW Uncharted has white male, not playing that game"
Anti-SJW clone -"WOW The Last Of Us character is GAY, not playing that game"

(Proceeds to pretend as if they are now different then said SJW) lol

So I say, buy games for being games and or fun, seems like many of us got that when "SJW" attacked games, suddenly some forgot to fit some narrative, now they only buy games if the developer fits religious, political, economical etc views lol

 

[PedroPanache]

I feel like I've already commented on this, and i don't want to essentially repeat myself but the bolded made me laugh. "Narrow prism of AAA games" Wait you mean like more than half of the market?

Yes, I guess If stick my head in the ground and ignore the market leaders, the most profitable and industry setting publishiers, the highest selling games of the years, the game design choices that are appearing in more and more games every year, and just live in denial, than I'm sure everything is great. As i said in a different posts right abouve yours, this "high moment" in gaming has given us the great innovation of.... free2play and lootboxes.

Fucking brilliant, Industry has never been better


Again, this just comes off as "I like game journalism, and I don't like him criticizing them." which again I say tough shit. I don't see how his outrage is any different from the "kumbaya games have never been better" bullshit you are trying to sell me.

I've read a hundred articles from games media "outraged" about whatever, but I'm supposed to give a that shit a pass, even when it's blatantly wrong. You expect me to get upset over this kid? If he wants to defend batman's ass, let him. He could write a thousand articles like this and it wouldn't match the output of the people he is criticizing.

You're in a perpetual outrage machine, and if you want to keep reading those articles, good for you. And again, at what point did I say "I like games journalism", it's paranoid projection based on the fact that I'm ridiculing the overwrought response of the OP article. But if you want to distil modern gaming into "free2play" and "lootboxes", I can't help you. I'll stick my head above the ground and enjoy the content that innovates. There's so much of it after all.

 

[PedroPanache]

Agreed and Agreed.

Its like...I own Spiderman, never bought it for the reason some journalist stated based on some fake controversy and never bought any BF based on the reasons talked about on its "controversy". So anyone idiot dumb enough to not buy a game based on such a thing makes me question why they play games in the first place and then some of them have the nerve to bring up "sjw" as if what they are doing is really any different LOL

ie

SJW- "WOW Uncharted has white male, not playing that game"
Anti-SJW clone -"WOW The Last Of Us character is GAY, not playing that game"

(Proceeds to pretend as if they are now different then said SJW) lol

So I say, buy games for being games and or fun, seems like many of us got that when "SJW" attacked games, suddenly some forgot to fit some narrative, now they only buy games if the developer fits religious, political, economical etc views lol

See, when you don't participate, the thinking behind your purchases isn't infected by this narrative. So if I want to buy Kingdom : Come Deliverance or The Last of Us 2, then I'll make those purchases on gameplay related reasons. Not all this nonsense that surrounds it.

 

[oagboghi2]

You're in a perpetual outrage machine, and if you want to keep reading those articles, good for you. And again, at what point did I say "I like games journalism", it's paranoid projection based on the fact that I'm ridiculing the overwrought response of the OP article. But if you want to distil modern gaming into "free2play" and "lootboxes", I can't help you. I'll stick my head above the ground and enjoy the content that innovates. There's so much of it after all.

Do you consider having any opinion that isn't loving, lavish praise on a peice of disposable media to a be "perpetual outrage machine"? I have some opinions, some of them aren't full of praise. oh my god I must be so outraged.

You don't like game journalism, you just really dislike the OP's author accurately criticizing a lot of game journalists with some pretty mild criticism....okay

What content innovates? What is this amazing content that is apparently above critique? I would love to know. I can, and have named the reasons why I am pessimistic about the industry. The recent changes don't excite me. Your're response was essentially "stick your head in the ground." Excuse me if I'm not impressed. I could easily say "yeah let's ignore the market trends, and the huge money that microstransactions bring in, and the extremely conservative choices the market leaders have made" but that's stupid because these things matter. There is a reason GTAV never had standalone DLC, and RDR2 multiplayer is a bigger focus. There is a reason EA is literally fighting multiple governments in court to hold onto their casino-like design choices. There is a reason why every publisher is making, safer more conservative design choices in their game. It's not "outrage" to point out reality

 

[PedroPanache]

Do you consider having any opinion that isn't loving, lavish praise on a peice of disposable media to a be "perpetual outrage machine"? I have some opinions, some of them aren't full of praise. oh my god I must be so outraged.

You don't like game journalism, you just really dislike the OP's author accurately criticizing a lot of game journalists with some pretty mild criticism....okay

What content innovates? What is this amazing content that is apparently above critique? I would love to know. I can, and have named the reasons why I am pessimistic about the industry. The recent changes don't excite me. Your're response was essentially "stick your head in the ground." Excuse me if I'm not impressed. I could easily say "yeah let's ignore the market trends, and the huge money that microstransactions bring in, and the extremely conservative choices the market leaders have made" but that's stupid because these things matter. There is a reason GTAV never had standalone DLC, and RDR2 multiplayer is a bigger focus. There is a reason EA is literally fighting multiple governments in court to hold onto their casino-like design choices. There is a reason why every publisher is making, safer more conservative design choices in their game. It's not "outrage" to point out reality

Again, I never said I don't dislike games journalism either. This isn't a binary. I'm apathetic to the feedback loop that their articles create and the Op's article is part of that. Sorry, that I didn't bash games journalism enough to pass your test. But, yeah, keep trying to pin that "I Heart Games Journalism' badge on me. I also don't care about EA or Rockstar, because I don't play many of their games. Gaming isn't defined by GTAV, RDR2 and whatever shit EA vomits onto the market. Again, it'll make you laugh, but you're defining gaming through a narrow prism. Just because it sells shitloads, doesn't mean that the market is defined by this small number of games, despite whatever percentage they make up of the pie. Trends such as microtransactions aren't anymore egregious than the money sucking arcade games that I used to play back in the day. These things come, these things go, yet games are still somehow managing to be amazing. Same as it ever was.

 

[oagboghi2]

Again, I never said I don't dislike games journalism either. This isn't a binary. I'm apathetic to the feedback loop that their articles create and the Op's article is part of that. Sorry, that I didn't bash games journalism enough to pass your test. But, yeah, keep trying to pin that "I Heart Games Journalism' badge on me.

I don't buy this for a second, as evidenced by your own posts but whatever.

I also don't care about EA or Rockstar, because I don't play many of their games. Gaming isn't defined by GTAV, RDR2 and whatever shit EA vomits onto the market. Again, it'll make you laugh, but you're defining gaming through a narrow prism.

You don't play Rockstar or EA. Fine, name any publisher you like. Ubisfot, ,Sega, T2, Actision, Nintendo, Sony, MS, Warner bros, Bethesda, bandi Namco, Square Enix, the list is long. My complaints could apply to any of them, and many more.

You're accusing me of "looking through a narrow prism" yet your'e the one who doesn't care about Rockstar games or any of "EA's shit". Has it ever occurred you you maybe the reason why you feel the way you is because you have created your own narrow prism of positivity? If I have to ignore large parts of the industry, that seems to be pretty damning evidence that something is wrong.

Just because it sells shitloads, doesn't mean that the market is defined by this small number of games, despite whatever percentage they make up of the pie. Trends such as microtransactions aren't anymore egregious than the money sucking arcade games that I used to play back in the day. These things come, these things go, yet games are still somehow managing to be amazing. Same as it ever was.

It matters a great deal what sells shitload, because what sells today is what will be made tomorrow. microtransactions make billions, with a b, of dollars. More than quarter sucking arcade machines ever did, at a lower cost. That matters, it's important and it will affect games in the future, even the games you might deem worthy of playing. It's not "outrage" or even unreasonable to point out the obvious.

Games were amazing before these particular sleazy practices became so popular.

 

[PedroPanache]

I don't buy this for a second, as evidenced by your own posts but whatever.

You don't play Rockstar or EA. Fine, name any publisher you like. Ubisfot, ,Sega, T2, Actision, Nintendo, Sony, MS, Warner bros, Bethesda, bandi Namco, Square Enix, the list is long. My complaints could apply to any of them, and many more.

You're accusing me of "looking through a narrow prism" yet your'e the one who doesn't care about Rockstar games or any of "EA's shit". Has it ever occurred you you maybe the reason why you feel the way you is because you have created your own narrow prism of positivity? If I have to ignore large parts of the industry, that seems to be pretty damning evidence that something is wrong.


It matters a great deal what sells shitload, because what sells today is what will be made tomorrow. microtransactions make billions, with a b, of dollars. More than quarter sucking arcade machines ever did, at a lower cost. That matters, it's important and it will affect games in the future, even the games you might deem worthy of playing. It's not "outrage" or even unreasonable to point out the obvious.

Games were amazing before these particular sleazy practices became so popular.

You got me. I really do have a 'I Heart Games Journalism' badge. But, again, I'll make the case for gaming is as good as it's ever been; microtransactions aren't the devil, when done properly, neither is free2play; as evidenced by Fortnite. GTAV was great, it didn't have DLC, and yet it didn't stop it from being an amazing game. Nintendo have brought out their best console in decades, nailed it with Breath of The Wild being the best Zelda since the SNES/N64 days and it's become an amazing indie games device as well. The B tier games that got trampled over during the first part of the HD generation are coming back in full force, hell, even Resonance of Fate is getting remastered. Sim racing has become an amazing sub-culture and is one of the most exhilarating experiences I've ever known. Insomniac have come out with arguably the best Spiderman game there's ever been. And yet, I've created a narrow prism of positivity? What the hell does that even mean. That's not to say there aren't problems in the industry, but the outrage over nonsense like two gay characters in The Last Of Us 2 and Kingdom:Come Deliverance not having enough diversity, it's ludicrous. I have so much choice, it's ridiculous.

It's fearmongering at its finest. So what if RDR2 has more multiplayer focus? I guarantee you that the single player will be just as nuanced and involved as any other Rockstar game. From the triple A sphere, I've played a bunch of incredible games untouched by lootboxes and microtransactions. These 'sleazy practices' exist because these incredible looking games cost an absolute fortune to make and yet the integrity of the experience remains. Rewind ten years ago and people were saying the same stuff about DLC being the end of gaming.

 

[Mahadev]

You clearly missed the point, because you are trying to fight a culture war that I'm not trying to fight with you. To dismiss representation means that you don't actually care about reality. And that's cute, but it doesn't make it right. A classic example of how "some" people within the gaming community make black people feel unwelcome is the part of your post that I bolded.

You literally dismissed my post and thoughts because you clearly don't care about the representation that means something to me and other black folks. So what are you going to do now? Say that we have to "earn" a spot? I'm not talking about the everyday podcast that anybody can make obviously. I'm talking about the BIG podcast that we all know about and you know that. But instead you try to shout me down and belittle my point and then you say "I'm not even gonna entertain this crap"

That right there is LITERALLY what I'm talking about. And this happens a little too much within the community that I love and I'm part of. We can't even agree to the smallest and most obvious things sometimes.

I need to make this clear to you dude, you don't represent the black race, you represent a specific ideology that complains 24/7 about diversity and representation even if an industry far exceeds 10+ per cent of black population for example of the US in "representation" or far lower than 10% in the Western world that the industry sells to. The "I'm not even gonna entertain this crap" refers to your, imo, absolutely annoying ideology that makes everything about race and pretends to represent minorities as if someone elected them in that role. I predicted exactly how this discussion in going to go from the start hence I made sure to write this:

Some people in the gaming community might have a problem with you but 99% of the time it's because of your ideology, not your color.

What I didn't predict was the example because the more you think about it the more absurd it sounds. Podcasts the vast majority of the time are self funded because they're so easy to make so the fact that there isn't a big podcast that appeals to black people means that either a) There aren't enough black gamers b) Black gamers prefer white podcasts? Either way, how the fuck you managed to make this an example of the industry, gamers or society making black people feel unwelcome is beyond me, this isn't some big podcast corporation conspiring to exclude black people, this is the purely a result of consumer demand. But I guess consumers are at fault for not listening to this theoretical black podcast, regardless of its quality of course, the important thing here is to prioritize race above all else.

 

[Kadayi]

What I don't get is how so many "games journalists" are now like religious cult members, all singing from the same hymn sheet.

Like employs like. Any media institution will naturally look to employ staff who share its outlooks and values and therefore the only way to get hired/given freelance gigs by senior editors is if you write pieces/articles that align with their mindset. I dare say that there are hundreds of aspiring game journalists that could have set the record straight on KCD pointing out the absurdity of this notion espoused by some people that medieval rural Bohemia of all places was a hotbed of international multi-culturalism, or how Cyberpunk 2077 is a fictive future based on a fictive past that split away from our history around the 1980s so isn't necessarily a reflection of our times, but unfortunately none of these writers is going to gain traction at any of the usual suspects unless they change their tune.

 

[Marshmallow]

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/09/editorial-how-game-journalists-are-ruining-gaming/69366/

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with him. Journalists seem to care more about politics than how enjoyable the video game interactive experience is now. Unfortunately, it’s a reflection of society now and it seems like video games are getting the worst of it.

Ahah, this thead is hilarious.

Agenda Driven Game Journalists Are Ruining Gaming

You mean... like them? They are constantly writting alt-right fueled articles against LGBT and any kind of liberal stances. Their comments are straight up from /pol/ with people referring to LGBT as "degenerates" and talking about how the "jews" are ruining everything

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...mmers-home-ellies-lesbian-relationship/61112/

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...cess-bubblegum-gay-with-a-lesbian-kiss/68328/

Don't worry, bro. Don't let the Liberal scum get you down. A lot of them need this reinforcement to feel good about the poor life decisions they've made. Just like in the comments on the YouTube channel.
It's a different thing when they have their gay media, furry media, loli media, and they keep it contained. But they're not satisfied with that; they want normies to become infected, which is why they have to weed it into material aimed at large audiences.
They now that normal people would never venture into their realm of degeneracy, which is why they have to bring it to the media that normies consume.

The main writer of this site pretty much refers to a minority as an infection.


Is this the kind of journalism you want? Because they also called Cyberpunk 2077 a game "for degenerates":
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...-with-the-cyberpunk-2077-gameplay-demo/68130/

So first and foremost, your character in Cyberpunk 2077, named ‘V’, is depicted as an outright degenerate. The commentary over the video talks a lot about choice and whatnot, but we don’t really see any examples of it.

The character motivations on display in the demo are about as deep as the Twitter account of a San Francisco socialite. That’s not to mention that we had zero reason to root for ‘V’ during the demonstration. The entire thing was a portentous display of degenerate self-gratification.

TL;DR: The Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay demo featured an ugly SJW-looking degenerate in a world that in no way resembled the cyberpunk fiction we’re used to, and it completely abandoned the cyberpunk aesthetic that CD Projekt Red teased with their promotional art and CGI trailer. Also, the gunplay was dated, old, and passe with unremarkable AI.

 

[PedroPanache]

Fucking hell, that's one hell of an opening paragraph in that Last Of Us piece.

"For all those Sony fanboys who at one point argued that Ellie from The Last Us wasn’t actually a lesbian, and that the interracial kiss she shared with her dying friend in The Last of Us: Left Behind was just a moment of intense emotional reactions, it was revealed during this year’s E3 showcase that Ellie is indeed a full-on, hardcore, need-no-man lesbian."

There's alot going on there. It's funny, it didn't even occur to me, playing Left Behind, that this was a "interracial kiss", and should be viewed as such. Then, OMG, she's an actual lesbian. She kisses girls and everything. You see why this shit is so tiring. Ostracised from this nonsense, I viewed that trailer as a cool moment of "oh! gay protagonist in a major mainstream title", that's kind of interesting and new. I wonder what they'll do with it. Viewed through the prism of the "oneangrygamer" it becomes something else. Something pernicious and degrading. Yeah, I don't really want anything to do with that. Like I've said, I'm happy to opt out of this particular cottage industry. You've got valid concerns about microtransactions and lootboxes, yeah I get that, but this shit? Grist for the mill, if you ask me.

 

[Snoopycat]

Dude, you can be harassed on the streets any time of the day. You must live in a very sheltered environment if you think otherwise. Your city must be crime free.

It is entirely normal for people to assume they can use the report and block buttons. You have the power to not listen to "racist idiots", not sure why you refuse to use it.

What on earth are you babbling about? Being harrassed on the streets and being harrassed playing video games are entirely different scenarios.

Indeed it is entirely normal to use the block button, but that can only be used after the abuse has already begun. Block buttons are not magic cure alls.

At no point did I say it wasn't normal for people to use the block button or say I refused to use it. If you want to continue showing everyone you don't understand or care about the seriousness of this issue that's fine but don't invent things I haven't said.

 

[Filben]

I think the industry and the games have to move forward in a sense, but they already did so to great extent. On the other hand, games, as an art, is always a reflection of the historical and social context they were produced in. Nowadays people want to read facsimiles, for instance, or at least I want to read them because I want to read a book EXACTLY how it was written back then, and see the context.

With having said that, I don't think that every game needs to be discussed to death because of an interpretation that remarks on social issues. There's nothing wrong with releasing games that really want to discuss that in its very nature. But games like Tomb Raider etc. is just a fun game for me to play. I also like that they went from that unproportional body to a rather, still good looking, normal one. Many people, myself included, still enjoy the old games nevertheless!

I think web 2.0 wasn't too good for video games. It's seems, like in politics, there are only extreme point of views, or at least they manage to be loudest. It might be a bit on a tangent, but political, public debate here in Germany is so heated right now, that many people see you as far-right as soon as you're not unconditionally pro refugee, and many put a stamp of far-left on you as soon as you want to give refuge. There is no middle ground anymore, it seems.

And in video game debates people either scream "SJW" with despite as soon as you want your favourite medium and hobby to grow and progress, and others complain about and despise games and devs, whole companies, when they don't offer a gender slider in seemingly every single game.

It's so complex these days that I really like, from time to time, message boards solely discussing a game in terms of its gameplay and story.

 

[Marshmallow]

Fucking hell, that's one hell of an opening paragraph in that Last Of Us piece.

"For all those Sony fanboys who at one point argued that Ellie from The Last Us wasn’t actually a lesbian, and that the interracial kiss she shared with her dying friend in The Last of Us: Left Behind was just a moment of intense emotional reactions, it was revealed during this year’s E3 showcase that Ellie is indeed a full-on, hardcore, need-no-man lesbian."

There's alot going there. It's funny, it didn't even occur to me, playing Left Behind, that this was a "interracial kiss", and should be viewed as such. Then, OMG, she's an actual lesbian. She kisses girls and everything. You see why this shit is so tiring. Ostracised from this nonsense, I viewed that trailer as a cool moment of "oh! gay protagonist in a major mainstream title", that's kind of interesting and new. I wonder what they'll do with it. Viewed through the prism of the "oneangrygamer" it becomes something else. Something pernicious and degrading. Yeah, I don't really want anything to do with that. Like I've said, I'm happy to opt out of this particular cottage industry. You've got valid concerns about microtransactions and lootboxes, yeah I get that, but this shit? Grist for the mill, if you ask me.

Oh yeah, they are also racists as hell, though it's less obvious. As I said, the site pretty much panders to the average /pol/ anon, the fact that some people here can go through the comments or browse the site without issue but quack at every stupid Kotaku article is pretty telling. At least Kotaku doesn't imply minorities are sub-humans or the userbase's comments aren't filled with racist caricatures straight from /pol/

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Didn't you know that TloU 2 is the result of le epic jew agenda in media? Well, now thanks to One Angry Gamer, you do.

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Is this the kind of stuff Gaf approves now? Because this regularly gets posted on that site and staff regularly praises and interacts member who do this.

 

[Mahadev]

Why the fuck is Marshmallow is now posting random racist trash he found on the internet? We get it dude, the guy running that site is another identity politics obsessed nutjob from the opposite side, we don't need your ridiculous hyperbole and preposterous assumptions to understand that. That article is still mostly right though and its sentiment applies to "oneangrygamer" too.

 

[Marshmallow]

Why the fuck is Marshmallow is now posting random racist trash he found on the internet?

It's from the site in the OP, genius. I literally pulled them from the comments. That's the kind of people OAG encourages and fosters.

That article is still mostly right though and its sentiment applies to "oneangrygamer" too.

OneAngryGamer has no business telling anyone anything, it's a garbage borderline neo-nazi site. And if you think Kotaku stupid shit is anywhere near as bad as that, you need a fucking reality check.

 

[Pot Meet Kettle]

Oh yeah, they are also racists as hell, though it's less obvious. As I said, the site pretty much panders to the average /pol/ anon, the fact that some people here can go through the comments or browse the site without issue but quack at every stupid Kotaku article is pretty telling. At least Kotaku doesn't imply minorities are sub-humans or the userbase's comments aren't filled with racist caricatures straight from /pol/

I dunno, what about that New Super Mario Bros 2 official announcement youtube video by Nintendo , where the top comment was "Super Mario: Jew Edition"? If guilt by association works the way you say it does, then all of Nintendo, the other youtube commenters minding their business gushing about the game, the people who watched that announcement, that didn't explicitly make the discussion all about that comment and how it gave them seizures and ruined their day, are actually sinister racists and the game really is about mocking minorities.

OP and everyone commenting in this thread should be purged from this forum for daring to read this article (that doesn't say the things you say but burdens the weight of what the commenters say... even when these commenters say very different contradictory views. They're still approving and believing every single one of these views, sure, yes.)
But if user comments invalidate the ideas presented in the article, what does this make Kotaku and Polygon who are constantly worried about toxicity in their comments and say it's an epidemic... aren't they just as much monsters by your "standards"?
Your pals over the other side of the fence already say anyone still here condones rape and the alt-right or whatever... but aren't YOU still here? What does that say about you? (I'm not shooing you away, mind you. I'm just following your "logic".)

And let's drop the act, you're really upset about the ideas presented in the article, not the comments.
Were we to follow your whataboutism and turn it back on you and Kotaku, Kotaku has more extreme ideas presented in their articles than just "disagreeing with what's considered sexism, rape, racism, presumption of innocence, authorial intent" and the like. I name in particular:

• People not voting the same as me is a sin. See Lucky Palmer.
• People who have different views than me on feminist issues are supporting misogyny (the hatred of all women), racism (the hatred of different races), homo/trans-phobia (can be for as little as sexual preferences), and rape, and they are the enemy
• People being neutral or apolitical are supporting the status quo, thus supporting the enemy, thus are the enemy
• People who are the enemy don't deserve
  • freedom of speech,
  • employment,
  • recognition,
  • financial retribution (includes advocating for piracy),
  • familial stability,
  • housing...
  • or life ("what if we culled elderly bigots who hold back progress to make the world better, an automatic rifle and a closed room should do the job")
• Doxxing, harassment and hate mail is a valid tactic against the enemy and people who still allow the enemy to have the above bullet point privileges: that means those are the enemy as well -
  • any website/hosting service/town hall/university/network that doesn't ban this person,
  • any company hiring them,
  • anyone acknowledging their achievements (rating their games highly, talking about them at all in ways not involving plotting their destruction),
  • any store selling their stuff or person buying it or displaying intent to,
  • family members (just ask American McGee or the Penny Arcade guys),
  • any landlord not kicking them out...
  • and anyone providing them assistance in a life threatening situation (just like kotaku and resetera are offended about a TotalBiscuit charity effort that would fund his wife's cancer treatment)
• Companies that don't fire the enemy deserve to go under, and their minority employees deserve hate mail
• It's okay to insult and defame the enemy (Just ask Jason Schreier, who said the director of Dragon's Crown is a 14-year old horny sexist teenager, and then accused him of homophobia when provided with an example of equal-opportunity male fanservice to disprove the sexism accusation)
• It's okay to try and root out potential enemies in developer interviews
• It's okay to try and accuse someone of being the enemy based on secondary ill-intent readings based on "death of the author" dogma
• It's okay to lie and misquote
• It's okay to STALK FEMALE DEVELOPERS and write about the experience
• It's okay to run hit pieces on people who can't fight back without asking for their point of view
• It's okay to run hit pieces on people who wouldn't want to talk to me, and accuse them of being part of the far-right solely based on that act

That's quite something.

 

[Harlock]

Not just games. Everything.

 

[Marshmallow]

I dunno, what about that New Super Mario Bros 2 official announcement youtube video by Nintendo , where the top comment was "Super Mario: Jew Edition"? If guilt by association works the way you say it does, then all of Nintendo, the other youtube commenters minding their business gushing about the game, the people who watched that announcement, that didn't explicitly make the discussion all about that comment and how it gave them seizures and ruined their day, are actually sinister racists and the game really is about mocking minorities.

What a bizarre comment. Youtube is a generalized video service that offers people the opportunity to run their own channels as long they follow the ToS. It also has very little moderation.

OAG is a private Blog/Review site ran by an individual who argues for the death of liberals and all kind of fun alt-rights ideals such how LGBT are poison to society and the jews are infecting our media. He's right there, in those comments, arguing for these very things. In that very article's page!

The fact that you "ethics of journalism" dudes don't care about this garbage but actually spearhead OAG as some kind of paragon of ethics is pretty telling.

And let's drop the act, you're really upset about the ideas presented in the article, not the comments.

The article is shit. Turn the page on that site and there is another article criticizing a game/show because it has a woman protagonist or there are LGBT characters. But of course the author of that article doesn't care about those articles, in his eyes it isn't "pushing an agenda", it's perfectly normal and healthy to rage at these things because woman protagonists are bad and LGBT people are degenerates that don't belong in a normal society.

The fact that a site like this can claim any sorta of legitimacy is fucking disgusting.

Oh, and Kotaku and Polygon are garbage. But at least they don't fuel and encourage neo-nazi shit.

 

[InterMusketeer]

So I say, buy games for being games and or fun, seems like many of us got that when "SJW" attacked games, suddenly some forgot to fit some narrative, now they only buy games if the developer fits religious, political, economical etc views lol

That's just the result of the culture war going on nowadays, within gaming and without. People are forced to pick a side.

For example, taken out of its context, I have no issue with a game featuring a gay character, a gay romance and a gay kiss. But in the current climate where these choices are made to push a social justice agenda, I can't support that choice fully. I don't want the ideology that is the source of these kinds of depictions to spread, because I think the changes it proposes are a step back, and so I have to stand against something that I don't oppose in and of itself, except for the reason why it's there and its purpose within the agenda.

But then when people read my posts in that thread on the Naughty Dog agenda, they may think I simply agree that ND has an agenda because I hate the gays and want them removed from games. So there's confusion all around. People confusing positions because they deem the other side the enemy, confusion because people think those who disagree with them do so only because they're part of the opposing team, people thinking words or phrases are dog whistles that secretely have a different meaning, and in the end people aren't truly talking to each other. And I'm not pretending I'm above all that or anything. My opinions on TLoU2 or BFV could be seen by some as simply opposing anything the SJWs like or agree with, and maybe they're right.


In the end, people will believe what they want. The real issue is how those beliefs are acted upon. In my opinion the goal of progressives in this culture war is to reduce certain kinds of content and increase other types of content, and that's just wrong in my opinion. I'm fine with any opinions as long as they don't affect me, but that's not what we're seeing here.

 

[Tapioca]

Games have done nothing but improve.

I don't read game journalism at all so none of it affects me. If you create a narrative you'll view everything through that lens.

 

[Kadayi]

I'm amused at this Idea that a site is somehow responsible for its comments. That's possibly one of the dumbest things I heard espoused in a long time.

 

[Thiagosc777]

the fact that some people here can go through the comments or browse the site without issue but quack at every stupid Kotaku article is pretty telling.

No normal person goes through comments scanning for possible offenses from random commenters, unless you are an activist. It is not connected to the content of the article.

There's a big difference between the article's author claiming something and a random commenter being racist. That's the difference between Kotaku and some random anon.

 

[Mahadev]

It's from the site in the OP, genius. I literally pulled them from the comments. That's the kind of people OAG encourages and fosters.

You found a random shitty comment, congrats, I'm sure that represents the entire site. It really irks me how some people pretend to be so dense just to make an accusation. You find a little tidbit that is usually irrelevant or more grey than indicated, deliberately frame it in the darkest way possible and hope you'll convince someone despite burning bridges with any rational individual that can see right through the bullshit and will probably never trust your judgement again.

 

[Mercer_CAR]

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/09/editorial-how-game-journalists-are-ruining-gaming/69366/

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with him. Journalists seem to care more about politics than how enjoyable the video game interactive experience is now. Unfortunately, it’s a reflection of society now and it seems like video games are getting the worst of it.

Let's not forget WHO the Vice Waypoint guys consider their heroes.... I'll give you a hint, they aren't Americans.

 

[petran79]

Back then I felt priviledged for knowing English and understanding video game dialogs and internet discussions compared to my friends. Now I think it is a curse and I envy them

 

[hariseldon]

Re comments - I'd take it as a site-by-site thing. Personally I think 'content platforms' should be taking more responsibility for content posted on their platforms, but presently many hide behind "sorry we can't do it because there are too many comments coming in too fast" - that's their fucking problem and they should have considered it when developing their business model (of course they did - the model for the likes of Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Steam et al is to do as little as possible [aka hire as few expensive meatbags as possible] and get lots of money for it). Back in the day I ran a forum and I was petrified that someone might post something illegal and I'd get in shit for hosting it, as most of us did back in the early noughties. I suspect if musically (aka tiktok) found themselves collared for the fairly blatant child exploitation on their service for instance they'd start policing it a bit more vigorously.

Once you get past that you then get to the person running the site, if it's a community of some kind where moderation tools (ought to) exist. Now some sites frankly encourage the shitty stuff - for instance back in the day Pretend Race Cars was a blog about sim racing, and 99% of comments were outright trolling and the owner pretty much encouraged it. At that point he's responsible for that content. On the other hand, people on the net are arseholes, so some random dude hosting a website and trying to moderate hundreds of comments and something slips through then let him know and see if he responds. If he cleans it up, great, if he doesn't, either the email got lost or he supports that content. Could be either.

I've not explored the site linked at all outside of the article (and I read it in 'Reader view' in Firefox as I was at work so didn't see the comments) so perhaps someone else can use the above to determine whether the site owner is responsible for, or encourages, the shitty comments. Frankly the stuff marshmallow highlighted should not be there, and I'd expect any responsible site-owner to bin it, so report it and see what happens.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Dude, you can be harassed on the streets any time of the day. You must live in a very sheltered environment if you think otherwise. Your city must be crime free.

It is entirely normal for people to assume they can use the report and block buttons. You have the power to not listen to "racist idiots", not sure why you refuse to use it.

The habitually triggered are just responding to their socialization and have been conditioned to be triggered. They are told that they are oppressed and harassed and that the other is racist so much that they have internalized it. They start hearing dog whistles instead of listening to what the speaker is actually saying. People are generally respectful of one another, but the internet is full of assholes still, and someone calling you a naughty word is not racism or oppression, it is just people being assholes.

Just like Pavlov's dogs started salivating when they heard a bell, the triggered do the same.

 

[mckmas8808]

63% Metacritic reader score based on 327 ratings
as in the opinions of actual gamers who actually played the game and felt it was in fact actually ruined by a horrible story riddled with political and SJW garbage

And that's why I rarely care about user reviews because we on the internet sometimes do this thing where we band together to try to ruin something out of porportion. For instance look at this users review of NBA 2K19. Like come on man. Sometimes you can't take a user review score serious.

User Score
2.4
Generally unfavorable reviewsbased on 224 Ratings
__________________________________________________________________________________

Metascore
85

Generally favorable reviewsbased on 31 Critics

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nba-2k19

 

[Fuz]

User score is usually WAY more accurate than reviewer's score.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

The habitually triggered are just responding to their socialization and have been conditioned to be triggered. They are told that they are oppressed and harassed and that the other is racist so much that they have internalized it. They start hearing dog whistles instead of listening to what the speaker is actually saying. People are generally respectful of one another, but the internet is full of assholes still, and someone calling you a naughty word is not racism or oppression, it is just people being assholes.

Just like Pavlov's dogs started salivating when they heard a bell, the triggered do the same.

Yeah trigger culture is so fucking annoying. And it goes both ways with the otherside being triggered by anything they remotely perceive as “SJW” and what not.

I don’t know what happened to just accepting that not everything in the world or Internet is going to fit your worldview and just having a thick skin and going on about your day after shrugging off something you found offensive.

People just seem to want to be bitter and miserable and spread that to others. But whatever. The older I get the more reclusive I become and have little use for people outside of my small circle.

 

[Marshmallow]

No normal person goes through comments scanning for possible offenses from random commenters, unless you are an activist. It is not connected to the content of the article.

There's a big difference between the article's author claiming something and a random commenter being racist. That's the difference between Kotaku and some random anon.

You found a random shitty comment, congrats, I'm sure that represents the entire site. It really irks me how some people pretend to be so dense just to make an accusation. You find a little tidbit that is usually irrelevant or more grey than indicated, deliberately frame it in the darkest way possible and hope you'll convince someone despite burning bridges with any rational individual that can see right through the bullshit and will probably never trust your judgement again.

Oh man, you are hilarious. I literally linked some of the "great" content this site has to offer. Do I need to do that again?

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...mmers-home-ellies-lesbian-relationship/61112/

For all those Sony fanboys who at one point argued that Ellie from The Last Us wasn’t actually a lesbian, and that the interracial kiss she shared with her dying friend in The Last of Us: Left Behind was just a moment of intense emotional reactions, it was revealed during this year’s E3 showcase that Ellie is indeed a full-on, hardcore, need-no-man lesbian.

Not only she's a lesbian, she's a lesbian who is also into black girls!

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...cess-bubblegum-gay-with-a-lesbian-kiss/68328/

There’s never going to be pushback from the normies because they’ve already resigned away their rights to protest for kid-safe media.

This is also all part of the Liberal agenda, where you take things that seem almost family friendly and then subvert it with agitprop. We’ve seen this everywhere in almost every medium that has been converged by SJWs.

Gay people=SJW. Another good one. Jeez, I wonder why this site sees "agendas" everywhere...

Don't worry, bro. Don't let the Liberal scum get you down. A lot of them need this reinforcement to feel good about the poor life decisions they've made. Just like in the comments on the YouTube channel.
It's a different thing when they have their gay media, furry media, loli media, and they keep it contained. But they're not satisfied with that; they want normies to become infected, which is why they have to weed it into material aimed at large audiences.
They now that normal people would never venture into their realm of degeneracy, which is why they have to bring it to the media that normies consume.

The main writer of this site pretty much refers to a minority as an infection.


Is this the kind of journalism you want? Because they also called Cyberpunk 2077 a game "for degenerates":
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...-with-the-cyberpunk-2077-gameplay-demo/68130/

So first and foremost, your character in Cyberpunk 2077, named ‘V’, is depicted as an outright degenerate. The commentary over the video talks a lot about choice and whatnot, but we don’t really see any examples of it.

The character motivations on display in the demo are about as deep as the Twitter account of a San Francisco socialite. That’s not to mention that we had zero reason to root for ‘V’ during the demonstration. The entire thing was a portentous display of degenerate self-gratification.

TL;DR: The Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay demo featured an ugly SJW-looking degenerate in a world that in no way resembled the cyberpunk fiction we’re used to, and it completely abandoned the cyberpunk aesthetic that CD Projekt Red teased with their promotional art and CGI trailer. Also, the gunplay was dated, old, and passe with unremarkable AI.

Cyberpunk 2077 is a SJW game aimed at degenerates.

But it's just some random ass troll, right? It's not like the entire site and the entire comment section is filled with vile-alt right shit.

No normal person goes through comments scanning

Don't you guys spend like every day of your life going through resetera and similar sites looking for weird shit only to claim it represents "all progressives"? But you can see a whole site that pretty much re-posts arguments from /pol/? Fascinating.

 

[mckmas8808]

Agreed and Agreed.

Its like...I own Spiderman, never bought it for the reason some journalist stated based on some fake controversy and never bought any BF based on the reasons talked about on its "controversy". So anyone idiot dumb enough to not buy a game based on such a thing makes me question why they play games in the first place and then some of them have the nerve to bring up "sjw" as if what they are doing is really any different LOL

ie

SJW- "WOW Uncharted has white male, not playing that game"
Anti-SJW clone -"WOW The Last Of Us character is GAY, not playing that game"

(Proceeds to pretend as if they are now different then said SJW) lol

So I say, buy games for being games and or fun, seems like many of us got that when "SJW" attacked games, suddenly some forgot to fit some narrative, now they only buy games if the developer fits religious, political, economical etc views lol

It's sad when people can't see that there's two sides to this culture war, but only act like there's one. I hate when the Anti-SJW clone doesn't see the hypocrisy.

Fucking hell, that's one hell of an opening paragraph in that Last Of Us piece.

"For all those Sony fanboys who at one point argued that Ellie from The Last Us wasn’t actually a lesbian, and that the interracial kiss she shared with her dying friend in The Last of Us: Left Behind was just a moment of intense emotional reactions, it was revealed during this year’s E3 showcase that Ellie is indeed a full-on, hardcore, need-no-man lesbian."

There's alot going on there. It's funny, it didn't even occur to me, playing Left Behind, that this was a "interracial kiss", and should be viewed as such. Then, OMG, she's an actual lesbian. She kisses girls and everything. You see why this shit is so tiring. Ostracised from this nonsense, I viewed that trailer as a cool moment of "oh! gay protagonist in a major mainstream title", that's kind of interesting and new. I wonder what they'll do with it. Viewed through the prism of the "oneangrygamer" it becomes something else. Something pernicious and degrading. Yeah, I don't really want anything to do with that. Like I've said, I'm happy to opt out of this particular cottage industry. You've got valid concerns about microtransactions and lootboxes, yeah I get that, but this shit? Grist for the mill, if you ask me.

That's just the result of the culture war going on nowadays, within gaming and without. People are forced to pick a side.

For example, taken out of its context, I have no issue with a game featuring a gay character, a gay romance and a gay kiss. But in the current climate where these choices are made to push a social justice agenda, I can't support that choice fully. I don't want the ideology that is the source of these kinds of depictions to spread, because I think the changes it proposes are a step back, and so I have to stand against something that I don't oppose in and of itself, except for the reason why it's there and its purpose within the agenda.

But then when people read my posts in that thread on the Naughty Dog agenda, they may think I simply agree that ND has an agenda because I hate the gays and want them removed from games. So there's confusion all around. People confusing positions because they deem the other side the enemy, confusion because people think those who disagree with them do so only because they're part of the opposing team, people thinking words or phrases are dog whistles that secretely have a different meaning, and in the end people aren't truly talking to each other. And I'm not pretending I'm above all that or anything. My opinions on TLoU2 or BFV could be seen by some as simply opposing anything the SJWs like or agree with, and maybe they're right.


In the end, people will believe what they want. The real issue is how those beliefs are acted upon. In my opinion the goal of progressives in this culture war is to reduce certain kinds of content and increase other types of content, and that's just wrong in my opinion. I'm fine with any opinions as long as they don't affect me, but that's not what we're seeing here.

Wow is this the site that the OP is basing all of on? How is this any different from the worst articles on Kotaku?

I'm amused at this Idea that a site is somehow responsible for its comments. That's possibly one of the dumbest things I heard espoused in a long time.

I'm amused at this idea that some gaming journalist speaking about politics in games or making things in games political is ruining the video game industry. That's possibly one of the dumbest things/articles that I've ever read in a long time.

User score is usually WAY more accurate than reviewer's score.

NBA 2K19 is worth a 2.4?!?! Come on man! Stop hating the media this much. You know darn well that user review score is terrible. Just admit it! Sometimes we gamers have an agenda too.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Oh man, you are hilarious. I literally linked some of the "great" content this site has to offer. Do I need to do that again?

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/...mmers-home-ellies-lesbian-relationship/61112/

All the article does is to point out the propaganda in the Last of Us 2 reveal and past Druckmann comments on "diversity".

You are free to disagree with him, but there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[PedroPanache]

Druckmann's a mad man. He's gone too far. Putting them gays in his video game, kissing gays as well. They're actual kissing gays. She kissed a black as well in that DLC. I just want to play video games. But with all this propaganda, I worry for the children. How do I explain this to them? What if they ask about that girl's nose. It's a big nose. Too big, in fact. So not are they gay. One of them has a fucking giant nose. It's too much, too soon. You can't force this level of diversity. It breaks the immersion.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

All the article does is to point out the propaganda in the Last of Us 2 reveal and past Druckmann comments on "diversity".

You are free to disagree with him, but there is nothing wrong with it.

And he’s not the only person to think that too (ex. RobinGaming’s “Naughty Dog Agenda” video).