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[StreetsofBeige]

Even if someone doesn't have GP or cares to do it, being on GP promotes the game automatically.

Every game put on GP gets splashscreened saying new GP arrivals on the dashboard, so you're going to see what games came out.

Some gamers might see Outriders just launched, maybe did some digging online and bought the game.

 

[TalentedMrJ]

and so is gang beasts? from what I'm looking at the list is pretty mediocre making it possible that it didn't sell much just some more than average indy games.

Also, why tf is it not on PC gamepass......

Daughter asked me to get Gang Beasts. My first reaction was what is this $10 horse shit. Then I watched her play a few matches.

Game is too funny

 

[Reality Czar]

A week or two ago a study came out that found Game Pass users spend 20% more on gaming than non-Game Pass users. They are buying games on top of renting them. Not as a replacement. In addition to.

A lot of people act like they are replacing buying games with renting them, but it doesn't actually work that way once you crunch the numbers. Maybe some users do, but the overall effect is that they spend more money than usual, not less.

So this makes total sense.

 

[Fart Knight]

 

[CatLady]

I'm really enjoying Outriders. It turns out it was a lot better than I expected and a lot better than the demo. I'm glad to see it's doing well.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Game is decent issues aside, glad to see it doing well.


Also some pathetic attempts at being forum police on this thread.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Why would they omit specific numbers?

Hmmm...

 

[phil_t98]

That’s not the point. We shouldn’t need to report things when just yesterday this was policed and restructured to appease some. There’s more than enough options at this point. Do we need a thread masquerading as sales thread that’s really another gp thread now?

How many gamepass threads do you pop up in? By what your saying you should only pop up in one lol

 

[FrankWza]

How many gamepass threads do you pop up in? By what your saying you should only pop up in one lol

So this is a gamepass thread? Someone else said it wasn’t. I came in because it was titled differently and it’s turned out to be another gp thread. See how that works?

 

[Yselacrey00]

As opposed to ps5 with what? Destruction all stars??

Lol. I didn't even played it

 

[Concern]

Gaf has their very own hallway monitor now lol

 

[Fredrik]

Eh...didn’t you throw a tantrum just yesterday about this? This is what the mods want. Isn’t it? This isn’t enough?

Notable announcements can get their own threads. Monthly sets of regular releases can get their own threads. General ongoing talk can go here to cut down on the daily hype wars and bickering threads.

Sounds fair. At least it’s not in the communities section

In the end it became quite clear what the mods wanted, they simply wanted less pointless love/concern/hate/war threads filling up the front page.
To try silence any mention of it in other threads would be absurd. The problem isn’t mentioning GP, it’s the number of dedicated dumb threads on the front page.

 

[FrankWza]

Gaf has their very own hallway monitor now lol

 

[phil_t98]

So this is a gamepass thread? Someone else said it wasn’t. I came in because it was titled differently and it’s turned out to be another gp thread. See how that works?

Yeah any Xbox thread you there!!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

But I was told that GamePass killed sales .....

 

[Edgelord79]

Top paid game on Xbox Store is always the most frequently bought game. It has nothing to do with Game Pass, except for console war trolling.

What does what I said have to do with console warring or Gamepass? I never mentioned Gamepass at all. I just merely said I don't believe all these lists are legit and wouldn't be surprised if there was paid promotion going on.

This thread has nothing to do with Gamepass.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Bububbub GamePass, devs make no money, game sales, bubbuubbu.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Good to hear Outriders edged the 8 year old GTA V in its sales debut.

obviously massive evidence GP doesn't cannibalize game sales.

 

[Fredrik]

If you go to the bottom of the page, click the globe, then you can click on any country you want and see the same list.
The results are varied to say the least.

 

[Concern]

Good to hear Outriders edged the 8 year old GTA V in its sales debut.

obviously massive evidence GP doesn't cannibalize game sales.

And don't forget Black ops and modern warfare

 

[Topher]

Gaf has their very own hallway monitor now lol

So you have company now?

 

[MrS]

I think this is bogus. Why would people buy it in droves when they can play it for free via GP? Makes no sense.

 

[CatLady]

In the end it became quite clear what the mods wanted, they simply wanted less pointless love/concern/hate/war threads filling up the front page.
To try silence any mention of it in other threads would be absurd. The problem isn’t mentioning GP, it’s the number of dedicated dumb threads on the front page.

You mean like FoBoB Wza is doing here; trying to derail and turn this thread into another Game Pass War thread like he does in every other Xbox thread even though I seriously doubt he has an Xbox or Game Pass.

The game is fun, the game is doing well, a lot of people like the game, Frank. Why don't you play the game and discuss it and why it's doing well instead of derailing this thread with your Game Pass trolling.

If you are so desperate for some Game Pass warring, GAF has a thread for that:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox-game-pass-general-discussion.1600178/

 

[Edgelord79]

I think this is bogus. Why would people buy it in droves when they can play it for free via GP? Makes no sense.

I found it interesting that the Gamepass tag didn't go on the game until 24 hours after release in the store. It was under the Gamepass tile though.

My point is that if one didn't know it was on GamePass and was browsing the store, they would have purchased the game unknowingly before going to the Gamepass tile and seeing it was there. I've never seen this happen before as games say in the store if it's in GamePass.

Edit: More like 12 hours, not 24 hours.

 

[Topher]

I think this is bogus. Why would people buy it in droves when they can play it for free via GP? Makes no sense.

Hard to say they are buying "in droves" without sales numbers. The majority of Xbox gamers don't subscribe to Game Pass.

 

[93xfan]

20 posts in
Also being discussed here:

Outriders retails at 17% in UK on Xbox (due to being free to all XGPU subscribers), PlayStation 4/5 has 83% of retail sales

ouch GamePass is killing sales and PS5 selling more consoles than XBox certainly didn't help.

www.neogaf.com

I like Gamepass too. What do I have to do to be added to the list?

 

[prinz_valium]

I swear 95% of gamers overall don’t know GP exists or just don’t care.

Well if you agree, that there are 2bn gamer, that figure might be right.

100m games know Game Pass exists and care about it.

 

[Alright]

I don't doubt these figures, but this thread got me thinking:

Would it be possible for a company to manipulate a game so that it showed up at number 1, regardless of what it sold? I don't mean this website and this instance, just a thought.

I know we've seen manipulated reviews on Amazon, fake trends on Facebook, for example. Could steam, xbox, Sony etc so something similar to draw crowds to its storefront?

 

[Alright]

Well if you agree, that there are 2bn gamer, that figure might be right.

100m games know Game Pass exists and care about it.

Microsoft said there were 3 billion gamers.

Which should concern all of us. Because it means that Microsoft (and maybe others like EA) now put the guy playing Daggerfall, in the same category as the person playing candy crush.

That should worry us.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I still don’t know why people give 2 shits about whether it’s selling copies or being played on gamepass. Developers seem to be flocking to gamepass and it’s generating profit, otherwise they wouldn’t use it.

 

[K' Dash]

Good to hear Outriders edged the 8 year old GTA V in its sales debut.

obviously massive evidence GP doesn't cannibalize game sales.

Do people not try to look how much does GTAV sells? That thing doesn't leave the charts ever.

 

[bender]

No one said Gamepass should be illegal. Also, Gamepass should be illegal.

 

[Dr Bass]

A lot of people will purposefully miss the point of the post. That's okay.

Fact is, the game is proving that GamePass doesn't swallow up the sales. You can't debate that. If everyone who was going to play the game just opted for the GP route, it wouldn't be on this list.

People with GP will tell their friends about this game. Their friends, who aren't interested in GP will consider buying the game. That's just one way GP helps spread sales - increased word of mouth due to mass accessibility.

GamePass doesn't kill sales.

Doesn't the other thread with the PS/XBox split kind of debunk this idea? Its like 80+% slanted towards PS sales. One could argue that Xbox players buy more digitally, but considering the amount of digital sales PS does as well I just don't think that holds water. So "top selling" on a store with no numbers doesn't mean "selling a large volume." It just means it's at the top of that particular list.

What one COULD actually deduce from the combo of those the two above facts is that software is just currently not selling well on Xbox, at all.

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

General ongoing talk belongs in that overall thread. No?

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Doesn't the other thread with the PS/XBox split kind of debunk this idea? Its like 80+% slanted towards PS sales. One could argue that Xbox players buy more digitally, but considering the amount of digital sales PS does as well I just don't think that holds water. So "top selling" on a store with no numbers doesn't mean "selling a large volume." It just means it's at the top of that particular list.

What one COULD actually deduce from the combo of those the two above facts is that software is just currently not selling well on Xbox, at all.

I think you have a point, but we also have to consider that the studio is being compensated for putting their game on GP, in addition to sales. It's also not unreasonable to predict that GP will also help sales on Playstation, again due to massive word of mouth provided by GP.

 

[FrankWza]

Doesn't the other thread with the PS/XBox split kind of debunk this idea? Its like 80+% slanted towards PS sales. One could argue that Xbox players buy more digitally, but considering the amount of digital sales PS does as well I just don't think that holds water. So "top selling" on a store with no numbers doesn't mean "selling a large volume." It just means it's at the top of that particular list.

What one COULD actually deduce from the combo of those the two above facts is that software is just currently not selling well on Xbox, at all.

I pointed out the same thing but apparently this is the explanation. Warning: the following material may cause vomiting. Reader discretion is advised.

This thread a bit different though. It’s showing that a game can still sell and be on gamepass. The other thread was done to show negativity towards the game not selling as well on xbox when it clearly is

 

[FrankWza]

discuss it and why it's doing well instead of derailing this thread

Isn’t that what the OT is for? See? This isn’t about outriders. The OT is.

Outriders |OT| So much content, is this a GaaS? No, just an anomaly.

mod edit: subtitle updated after PM from OP

www.neogaf.com

 

[Knucklepux]

I'm playing it on gamepass, really enjoying it but i have no idea why people would opt to buy when they can play 400 games on gamepass?!

I used to buy all my movies on Blu-ray, I used to buy all my music on CD, I used to buy all my games on disc.

Now I just think, what's the point!? If there were any incentive like the media increasing in value over time then cool but in most cases this does not happen...

I think when Sony get their own competitive version of gamepass it will be huge too.

I don’t think the game is going to be on Gamepass indefinitely. It will most likely leave eventually. So, you may have to buy it eventually since it seems like they’ll be supporting this game for awhile

 

[MicrosoftMediaPro]

I'm tired of PlayStation Fanboys and because of that I'm really happy to know that these PlayStation Fanboys have to pay $79,95 Dollars for every single Video Game for the PlayStation 5 instead of having a great and affordable Service like Game Pass!

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Isn’t that what the OT is for? See? This isn’t about outriders. The OT is.

Outriders |OT| So much content, is this a GaaS? No, just an anomaly.

mod edit: subtitle updated after PM from OP

www.neogaf.com

QQ more please. Holy shit you and your ilk make Xbox threads here borderline unreadable. Console warrior fake hall monitor, great way to spend a Saturday night I guess

 

[Three]

A week or two ago a study came out that found Game Pass users spend 20% more on gaming than non-Game Pass users. They are buying games on top of renting them. Not as a replacement. In addition to.

A lot of people act like they are replacing buying games with renting them, but it doesn't actually work that way once you crunch the numbers. Maybe some users do, but the overall effect is that they spend more money than usual, not less.

So this makes total sense.

It doesn't. Why would anybody with gamepass spend more on games by buying a game that is still currently on gamepass? I mean how does that make any sense?
20% was not specified on what, it could be microtransactions or even just having to pay the $180 subscription yearly vs those who don't have gamepass and buy individual games.

People have lost the plot in fanboy wars and it's mostly the cheerleaders. The hard data for UK retail sales came out showing only 17% bought on X series and xbox one combined. The reason given by them was that "well they get it on gamepass so why would they buy it" . Now less than, what, 2 days later just as I predicted people are back to trying to say it increases sales again? Not only that but it's in fact the gamepass users with 20% more spending buying the games that are already on gamepass. Why?

The fact is that there is no metric to compare to here. How many units are we talking? How many units would we be talking without gamepass? We don't have that. What we have however is on a platform without gamepass it held 83% of sales in a region. On a platform with gamepass it held 17% of the sales. It's not to say this is conclusive evidence that gamepass decreases sales but a lot of people are trying to have their cake and to eat it too. "Oh of course it sold way less it's on gamepass!" then two days later "oh it's top of the xbox chart, gamepass increases sales" . No, you're just cheerleading whatever is the best look for your brand loyalty (not you specifically).

 

[Iced Arcade]

Franky you don't even try to hide it anymore

 

[PlayerPurple]

A week or two ago a study came out that found Game Pass users spend 20% more on gaming than non-Game Pass users. They are buying games on top of renting them. Not as a replacement. In addition to.

A lot of people act like they are replacing buying games with renting them, but it doesn't actually work that way once you crunch the numbers. Maybe some users do, but the overall effect is that they spend more money than usual, not less.

So this makes total sense.

While this is true, that study also highlights why GP really isn't the "best deal in gaming" that GP evangelists try to convince you it is.

GP is a rental service that gives you new games on day 1, only to then cycle them out in order to push you into buying the full versions on XBL.

I think a service like that might be a decent value at $5/month. But $15/month is a shockingly terrible value.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

While this is true, that study also highlights why GP really isn't the "best deal in gaming" that GP evangelists try to convince you it is.

GP is a rental service that gives you new games on day 1, only to then cycle them out in order to push you into buying the full versions on XBL.

I think a service like that might be a decent value at $5/month. But $15/month is a shockingly terrible value.

It's a great deal.

Not only can you play and tests games for cheap, but games on GP are sold at up to 20% off too if you are a GP subber.

Many of us got in even cheaper than $5/mth. I got 3 years GPU top up for $1. And that includes playing The Show 21!

 

[CatLady]

I don’t think the game is going to be on Gamepass indefinitely. It will most likely leave eventually. So, you may have to buy it eventually since it seems like they’ll be supporting this game for awhile

I saw in another thread that they may do expansions that will be seperate new stories. I'm liking the story so far and the game is totally fun so I would certainly be interested in buying the game and the new story expansions if and when they come out.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

While this is true, that study also highlights why GP really isn't the "best deal in gaming" that GP evangelists try to convince you it is.

GP is a rental service that gives you new games on day 1, only to then cycle them out in order to push you into buying the full versions on XBL.

I think a service like that might be a decent value at $5/month. But $15/month is a shockingly terrible value.

If you’re paying $15 a month then it’s the Ultimate version, which includes PC GamePass and Gold. And Gold is normally $10 a month, which means you’re paying $5 for GPU. Which makes it a value in your book. Got eeeemm

 

[Coney]

Considering it's above GTA V and the Call of Duty titles, that's a pretty good sign.

 

[Kagey K]

Considering it's above GTA V and the Call of Duty titles, that's a pretty good sign.

Not good enough. Those games are only selling 5 copies or so, and nobody is buying games from the Spring sale.

UK boxed sales prove it.

Spoiler

GTA is on Gamepass also, so the top 2 selling games are on the service.

 

[baphomet]

That list doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Kagey K]

That list doesn't mean what you think it means.

Enlighten us plebs then. What does it mean?