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Patcher predicts Goldeneye 2010 for Wii will fail
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Neuromancer
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He's probably right on this one.
(Also it is heavily rumored that every time someone on NeoGAF misspells his name, he cries himself to sleep.)
(Also it is heavily rumored that every time someone on NeoGAF misspells his name, he cries himself to sleep.)
Calm Killer
In all media, only true fans who consume every book, film, game, or pog collection deserve to know what's going on.
Ill buy it day one if its a direct port. Goldeneye was the shit.
Sammy Samusu
Member
He predicts something yet to be confirmed.
It's like predicting a prediction.
It's like predicting a prediction.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Fuu said:
when jim cramer says "company x is going to tank", people sell, and company x tanks. sometimes he does that because he's shorting company x. sometime he does it because he thinks company x is going to do well, and by railing against it, their price goes down so he can nab stock for cheap
likewise, if, say, pachter was in support of ea's takeover bid of take 2, it'd be in his interest as an ea shareholder and generally a supporter that take 2's share price be as low as possible so ea gets the best possible deal
there are a great number of many professional motivations to be "unprofessional" in your analysis. this isn't an internet message board pissing contest, it's a business.
Segata Sanshiro
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I don't have any data for that one, but I do know it did quite poorly on every system. I mean, I don't think there's much to the whole Nintendo = Bond thing. That said, I have no real explanations for why Quantum of Solace sold best on the Wii, either. Do you have any thoughts on that?border said:
Segata Sanshiro said:
I think its a two-fold answer.
1)Goes back to the Wii being better able to sell licensed products for the most part.
2)As much as gamers love to claim Goldeneye, James Bond was a movie and book series long before a game so I assume some of the Wii's casual appeal might have bought in some Bond fans who wanted to try it out. I assume for some it was their first Bond game. Granted, could be speaking out of my arse.
BobTheFork said:
Bu bu bu.. people in europe fucking love Westerns. I mean, what's arguably the best Western since the beginning of time is a european production and all...
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Good theories, at least. There's a follow-up question, but I'm going to wait a bit before I throw it out there.Penguin said:
Also, lack of FPS competition in the Wii library is likely a factor. Basically the Wii has the occasional Call of Duty port from Treyarch (these usually do pretty well), the Conduit and. . . that's about it. Metroid, maybe, but just because it's in first person doesn't mean it's the same kind of game.Penguin said:
Sammy Samusu
Member
If there's an announcement of announcement, you can surely wait for the announcement.Xater said:
In this case, guy is bomba predicting something yet to be announced, he's not even sure it exist. LOL
Also, why debate about it? I mean, VGC has just as much credit as Patcher: they take numbers out of fantasies, and thus should be both banned.
This is my opinion, anyway.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I predict Patcher will say some contraversal and GAF will make a thread about how obvious/wrong he is
Htown said:
I never really subscribe to that theory of people buying a game because they are deprived.
It just never made sense to me, instead of buying a console with more of those games or buying other games you may enjoy, you buy something that reviews so so because you want FPSes?
That makes sense but what I (hastily) got from your first post was that he had a personal dislike for the company for whatever reason and just liked to say Rockstar games are going to tank, which would be childish.Stumpokapow said:
I'd think that making "wrong predictions" would hurt someone's credibility in the long run but I clearly don't know enough about this side of business.
Father_Brain said:
Because what people really cared about was that deep and riveting narrative that Goldeneye had? Less "cynical" Bond games have suffered a similar fate. I'm just surprised to see that people think slapping the "Goldeneye" name on a Bond game is going to repair the IP -- even though EA already tried it and failed!
I think the relatively lukewarm reception of Perfect Dark and all the subsequent James Bond games just goes to show that Goldeneye was a one-time phenomenon. It was pretty much the only competent multiplayer shooter on the N64 or PSX for a long time.....the market is just too crowded for something like that to happen again.
digita1alchemy
Member
He's really going out on a limb here...
Man, when the Wii first released I thought there'd be plenty of shooters for the console. Yeah, the console's graphical output is no where near of that of the HD twins but I thought developers would take chances and release shooters for the Wii but it turned out to be quite the opposite...
Metroid Prime 3, while great, is not enough. I played Red Steel 1... and the only reason I went far in that game is because of the controls... even if they were janky as fuck sometimes at least it felt different than controller, you know? And soon I loved the controls.
In my gamefly queue I have Medal of Honor Heroes 2 and The Conduit... anyone can recomend me a shooter I've missed for the Wii because it seems that's all there is that's somewhat good quality.
Metroid Prime 3, while great, is not enough. I played Red Steel 1... and the only reason I went far in that game is because of the controls... even if they were janky as fuck sometimes at least it felt different than controller, you know? And soon I loved the controls.
In my gamefly queue I have Medal of Honor Heroes 2 and The Conduit... anyone can recomend me a shooter I've missed for the Wii because it seems that's all there is that's somewhat good quality.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
When is this coming out? Normally, with Activisions huge resources, i would see no problem with a lack of advertising but if this release in November or close to the Wii version of Black Ops, they would be hurting each other.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Wait, what
since when is Goldeneye a hardcore game
I don't mean this in a "Halo is a casual game!" way that is not the way people mean casual/hardcore anymore.
I mean Goldeneye was Wii Sports before there was a Wii Sports.
since when is Goldeneye a hardcore game
I don't mean this in a "Halo is a casual game!" way that is not the way people mean casual/hardcore anymore.
I mean Goldeneye was Wii Sports before there was a Wii Sports.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Sadist said:
My expectations for this suddenly plummeted. I thought this would be something special for Activicion but releasing it alongside CoD is fucking stupid.
revolverjgw
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ShockingAlberto said:
Goldeneye was for us bros. We didn't let no girls or grandmas play. It was balls-to-the-wall, mang, blood sweat and tears x 4
goldenpp72
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Im pretty sure most goldeneye fans have since moved on to xbox and ps3 respectively, this game will bomb on wii.
radioheadrule83
Banned
border said:
Was it EA themselves who came out recently and said that advertising is less important than word of mouth as a sales driving agent in the gaming market?
If you weren't already aware that GoldenEye Rogue Agent had nothing to do with the original movie/game because of the bullshit story about a one-eyed MI6 agent joining forces Goldfinger, then the word of mouth would have soon enlightened you. Not to mention the fact that we'd had Agent Under Fire, Nightfire and Everything or Nothing from EA already. In fact, the GoldenEye Rogue Agent boxart doesn't even have "James Bond" or "007" anywhere on the front cover. That was because of bad, obvious, narrative related reasons of course... but still -- I can't help but imagine that all of those things culminated in people realising what the product really was -- ie. NOT the true successor to GoldenEye 007 on the N64.
All a remake or reimagining needs to get peoples attention is the right marketing tying it to the original game and selling the new features. Then if its actually good, and it picks up word of mouth, it could have the potential to become another Wii evergreen title like MK Wii, Wii Fit, NSMB etc.
Sadly its that last point where people will be most critical and vicious towards the game. It will need to own hard for people not to dismiss it on graphical grounds etc.
Rush2thestart
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The Goldeneye fans moving on to other platforms is just pure assumption. I remember when people claimed that PS3/360 had most of the PS2 audience...then a study came out showing how most of the PS2 audience moved onto the Wii. :lol
This game will have underwheling sales because there hasn't been a really good James Bond game since Goldeneye (13 years), and because it will presumably be releasing this fall alongside COD and Halo Reach. I'm betting that even Black Ops Wii will outsell this by a good margin.
It's underwhelming sales will have nothing to do with the Wii's audience which everyone likes to point their fingers at. In fact, it would probably benefit. Quantum of Solace sold best on Wii. Don't know why people like to ignore that little fact.
This game will have underwheling sales because there hasn't been a really good James Bond game since Goldeneye (13 years), and because it will presumably be releasing this fall alongside COD and Halo Reach. I'm betting that even Black Ops Wii will outsell this by a good margin.
It's underwhelming sales will have nothing to do with the Wii's audience which everyone likes to point their fingers at. In fact, it would probably benefit. Quantum of Solace sold best on Wii. Don't know why people like to ignore that little fact.
frankie_baby
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Gamer @ Heart said:
i thought COD was being released in october?
goldenpp72
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Rush2thestart said:
My name is based on goldeneye, every time someone mentions it on halo they know it's from goldeneye, i'm pretty sure goldeneye started a fps console boom and halo was the successor to that boom, hell even the sales are near identical.
Goldeneye remake on xbla would probably outsell this wii remake.
Sammy Samusu
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Maybe because we didn't know until now.Rush2thestart said:
Just to confirm, you are not using random numbers, right? Not that it really matters on a Patcher's prediction topic, it's really all the same...
Rush2thestart
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Sammy Samusu said:
Someone already stated it though, and little seemed to acknowledge it. Anyway, no not random numbers. It was from the NPD leak.
In the sense that it's using the same storyline -- but all the levels and assets would probably have to be different.FoneBone said:
I don't think it particularly matters either way though. The franchise's appeal in general is questionable, regardless of whether it's on the Wii or all platforms.
boiled goose
good with gravy
i do think a majority of the 10m goldeneye players are now on 360 and ps3. That said, if the game is a quality release, i do think it might be a moderate success ala COD games on Wii.
Wii does have the ability to sell licensed properties well it seems. star wars, lego, cod, RE, bond, all do decently or comparatively better on Wii than on the other platforms.
that said, i dont know if goldeneye carries any weight 13 years later.
I am sure that most of nintendo's audience now is not the same as it was 13 years ago. the people buying COD and licensed games on wii are not the core wii gamers that own a wii for Zelda and Mario. Those gamers probably dislike FPSs all together or get their FPS fix from superior experiences on the other systems. so this would suggest that the name goldeneye will mean squat.
another problem is that it wont be a quality release because remaking the game for today's standards is too much effort. (wii exclusive means no effort)
Wii does have the ability to sell licensed properties well it seems. star wars, lego, cod, RE, bond, all do decently or comparatively better on Wii than on the other platforms.
that said, i dont know if goldeneye carries any weight 13 years later.
I am sure that most of nintendo's audience now is not the same as it was 13 years ago. the people buying COD and licensed games on wii are not the core wii gamers that own a wii for Zelda and Mario. Those gamers probably dislike FPSs all together or get their FPS fix from superior experiences on the other systems. so this would suggest that the name goldeneye will mean squat.
another problem is that it wont be a quality release because remaking the game for today's standards is too much effort. (wii exclusive means no effort)
frankie_baby
Member
if zelda and 3d mario games can sell similar amounts on wii that they did on n64 i have no trouble assuming that this goldeneye game (if its actually any good and it gets decent marketting) can sell well
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I'm far from expecting genius, but pointer-enabled local multiplayer FPS is still such a crazy rare thing that a half-decent one that plays on my nostalgia will get serious consideration.
