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Winning as in "is the best," as in the thread title. At least how I read it and the OP.Snuggler said:
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PC gaming has won - True HD graphics for the masses
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mt1200 said:
I'd say that's the exception, not the rule. I've got Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 on Steam, and I can honestly say I've never had to bother with anything other than video settings, which take about 30 seconds to set (*and are preferable to optimize performance, if you ask me*)
Yeah, some people have issues occasionally, but don't go making it out like getting a game running on a PC is rocket science. 99% of the time it's point and click.
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mt1200 said:
That's why I didn't claim 100% of the time. Yeah, sometimes there are issues. And sometimes your X360 gets a RLOD, which mine did, and sometimes a PS3 gets the YLOD. That's life. But I can honestly say my success rate on my PC is just about as high as my success rate on my X360 and PS3. If you can't figure out how to game on a PC, then you probably struggle with quite a bit more than that in life.
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cant go back to ps3 after ploughing the pc. lol not that i can since my ps3 ylod. too much dead hardware this gen, anyway blurry sub 30fps low-res console gaming sucks, hurts my head. superior pc quality all the way!
did you noticed microsoft kind of met their original xbox 1 goals, that is to convert consoles to pc gaming with all that porting this gen.
did you noticed microsoft kind of met their original xbox 1 goals, that is to convert consoles to pc gaming with all that porting this gen.
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The same could be said of consoles. I recently began a playthrough of Alan Wake and that game a technological mess. And I can't do anything to fix it.Valnen said:
I put settings to very high. Noob.Nabs said:
I recently got a new PC, and I'm shocked that it can do Crysis on very high with 16xAA+8xTAA at 1080p +30fps, only with a single 570. I'm digging the IQ, but for me the biggest problem with PC gaming is Steam. I love it's services and sales, but it can be super slow and freezy if the connection (or their servers) aren't up to task. And I get capped a lot, which doesn't help. Offline mode isn't really an option for Steamworks and online games (online games like TF2 can still be played when I'm capped).
So yeah...my only complaint really. Steam needs better ways of dealing with slow connections other than freezing alot.
Oh, and games with uncapped framerates. The opening credits movies in the Stalker games are running at 6000fps, and I understand that can ruin video cards. Cap it at 300fps or something, jeez.
So yeah...my only complaint really. Steam needs better ways of dealing with slow connections other than freezing alot.
Oh, and games with uncapped framerates. The opening credits movies in the Stalker games are running at 6000fps, and I understand that can ruin video cards. Cap it at 300fps or something, jeez.
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Gravijah said:
I've routinely passed off my hand-me-down GPU's to friends with stock off the shelf dells and such with no problems in regards to cooling. PSU wattage can be a major inhibitor, though.
mt1200 said:
Bought my first gaming PC in 2006/7. If this is a thing, it hasn't happened to me or any of the friends that I've converted.
SiriusTexra
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You wouldn't have any of your modern consoles games at all, if PC gamers didn't continually upgrade, buy windows and support the hardware and software industries.
Ati, Nvidia wouldn't exist to give your consoles their graphics cards, Intel wouldn't have received the funds to pump out and excel transistor tech and clock speeds, openGL and directx wouldn't have had the "natural selection" growth of evolution because those parties wouldn't have the funds thus interest in developing those areas further.
Power supply research would be infantile, single rails, overheating, huge power draw etc. Ram would still be TINY. Solid state drives wouldn't exist until they were conceived to be useful for anything, and last but not least, hard drive space would be "impressive" at 100gb, because console games still barely need even a quarter of that.
If none of these things happened, then your artists, developers etc wouldn't have powerful enough ram or processing power required to paint 2048x2048 texture psds with hundreds and hundreds of layers. Workstation graphics cards wouldn't be the polycrunchers they are. WSIWYG editing systems would be abysmal if existent at all. Development time would be doubled across all areas.
Everything would be propriety, in house, and everything would be a mess and the industry would be tiny because of it, just like 1996.
Graphics, hard drives, ram, power efficiency and pixel density would not have improved near enough to the levels of today. If everyone just stuck with the ps1, n64 etc, no one bought a PC for gaming, to this very day, we'd be finding Half Life 2 with bloom impressive.
But all this is ridiculous and over dramatic, because it did, does and will continue to happen. All systems are dependent on it. Designers, scientists, professionals all use, purchase and support the hardware and software industry.
Evolution in tech and software needs a branching tree of difference, not a single controlled propriety in house "royal genes" approach.
Consoles are great, PC's are the greatest. The console IS a PC, with a child friendly user interface, and low to mid tier level hardware to make it affordable to children who want them for their 8th birthdays. The lowest common denominator must be pleased.
PC/Mac, this is what your console games are actually MADE on.
Consoles are perfectly relevant as well though. Peripheral design get's evolution that way, and artists learn to do more with less. I think of it as training wheels.
But, there will be a time, either next gen consoles, or the next after that, where the price of them, what they do, and where sit in the spectrum will make them ENTIRELY irrelevant, sitting next to a PC of the times. They would technically be a PC, complete with full installs, operating system, browsers and file systems. All things that have existed on a platform for many, many years.
It's dubbed "Master race" not because of Croshaw, that's just what it is.
"There is sex, therefore there is pornography"
Ati, Nvidia wouldn't exist to give your consoles their graphics cards, Intel wouldn't have received the funds to pump out and excel transistor tech and clock speeds, openGL and directx wouldn't have had the "natural selection" growth of evolution because those parties wouldn't have the funds thus interest in developing those areas further.
Power supply research would be infantile, single rails, overheating, huge power draw etc. Ram would still be TINY. Solid state drives wouldn't exist until they were conceived to be useful for anything, and last but not least, hard drive space would be "impressive" at 100gb, because console games still barely need even a quarter of that.
If none of these things happened, then your artists, developers etc wouldn't have powerful enough ram or processing power required to paint 2048x2048 texture psds with hundreds and hundreds of layers. Workstation graphics cards wouldn't be the polycrunchers they are. WSIWYG editing systems would be abysmal if existent at all. Development time would be doubled across all areas.
Everything would be propriety, in house, and everything would be a mess and the industry would be tiny because of it, just like 1996.
Graphics, hard drives, ram, power efficiency and pixel density would not have improved near enough to the levels of today. If everyone just stuck with the ps1, n64 etc, no one bought a PC for gaming, to this very day, we'd be finding Half Life 2 with bloom impressive.
But all this is ridiculous and over dramatic, because it did, does and will continue to happen. All systems are dependent on it. Designers, scientists, professionals all use, purchase and support the hardware and software industry.
Evolution in tech and software needs a branching tree of difference, not a single controlled propriety in house "royal genes" approach.
Consoles are great, PC's are the greatest. The console IS a PC, with a child friendly user interface, and low to mid tier level hardware to make it affordable to children who want them for their 8th birthdays. The lowest common denominator must be pleased.
PC/Mac, this is what your console games are actually MADE on.
Consoles are perfectly relevant as well though. Peripheral design get's evolution that way, and artists learn to do more with less. I think of it as training wheels.
But, there will be a time, either next gen consoles, or the next after that, where the price of them, what they do, and where sit in the spectrum will make them ENTIRELY irrelevant, sitting next to a PC of the times. They would technically be a PC, complete with full installs, operating system, browsers and file systems. All things that have existed on a platform for many, many years.
It's dubbed "Master race" not because of Croshaw, that's just what it is.
"There is sex, therefore there is pornography"
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Hahahaha so true!Simon Belmont said:
speedpop said:
He's part right. When I bought Alpha Protocol, it took me like 4 hours to try to boot the game (it gave me some error not even google could solve, only few people had had the same problem) and even after all that time, it still didn't start. Quickly made me remember why I stopped PC gaming back in 2004-2005. Or well mostly stopped, I still play Civilization and FM.
But I might jump back in when A) controllers become a standard in PC ports and B) laptops become more powerful/cheaper.
Fess
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It's still too expensive, too loud, too much hassle to get the controls as I want, and I still need the Nintendo and Sony consoles for the exclusives.
And wouldn't piracy kill gaming as we know it if PC killed off the consoles?
Maybe I only know bad people but almost every single PC hardcore gamer I know of is downloading every single game they play from pirate bay and the likes.
And wouldn't piracy kill gaming as we know it if PC killed off the consoles?
Maybe I only know bad people but almost every single PC hardcore gamer I know of is downloading every single game they play from pirate bay and the likes.
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I agree, only noobs use torrents, usenet is where its at....... i kid, i kid, dont banjo me.The M.O.B said:
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Fredrik said:
Fair enough, and I own those console's too. But I don't want to take my chances with potentially missing out on stuff like The Swapper, InMomentum or Snapshot. Just to name a few.
Hopefully all these games come out on all viable platforms, but I'm not taking chances.
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Actually, the best thing about the current state of PC gaming in my opinion isn't the graphic superiority, which is nice, it is the amount of awesome small indie games. I mean, if you think Xbox Live Arcade or PSN has cool stuff, Steam has about 10x as many cool little games for far cheaper. And they are even more daring. Everything from awesome love letters to 8 and 16 bit games, to experimental art games, to bite sized versions of big budget games.
I was a console only gamer until this past January. Honestly, after the last couple of months with Steam I don't feel like I even need my PS3 or 360 any more. You don't really realize how many fantastic unsung heros you are missing out on until you commit to the platform.
I was a console only gamer until this past January. Honestly, after the last couple of months with Steam I don't feel like I even need my PS3 or 360 any more. You don't really realize how many fantastic unsung heros you are missing out on until you commit to the platform.
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A capable gaming PC will run you about $500. You already have some type of computer to post here. Throw in a $100-$200 GPU and you're probably all set. Don't get caught up in the world of quad-cores and L3 cache and 8GB of ram. You don't need it quite yet. By the time it's absolutely critical, those things will be sold at a reasonable price.Fredrik said:
This is difficult to take seriously when I have my Xbox 360 running right now. Vrooooommmmmm goes the disc drive.
You can hook up an Xbox 360 controller to it and most modern games work without additional configuration. You can hook up joysticks, gamepads and even faux train controls for train simulators.
You don't need any of this stuff. If resources are limited, you choose what you wish to purchase based on your own research. I've gone without PS3 exclusives this generation. In the past, I've gone without certain consoles until they drop in price, and then I catch up on those exclusives. Or you could be rich and buy it all. But my point is that it's a bit silly to say, "I'll still need a console." as if that's the default choice.
The effects of piracy have probably been overstated both in the movie industry and the game industry. There are examples of games with zero DRM selling and selling well. Smaller publishers have taken chances and have been rewarded by those looking to simply play their game without hassle. Piracy is not the biggest problem, intrusive DRM is.
Paradox wrote this about DRM: http://www.paradoxplaza.com/thewesterfront/2010/9/the-drm-dilemma
And there is another thread in which they say that 90% of their sales are from digital distribution and that they are doing very well financially.
Ask to see their Steam libraries.
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The truth hurts, doesn't it?Valnen said:
I hate being able to force AA on a game that runs 1080p at 60fps. I mean, I just had to click a box to do this. What a pain.
Instead of taking the time to click that box I could have just played the console version, sure it would be 720p, sub 30fps and no-AA, but I wouldn't have to do all that awful clicking. You just put the disc in and have guaranteed mediocrity.
Instead of taking the time to click that box I could have just played the console version, sure it would be 720p, sub 30fps and no-AA, but I wouldn't have to do all that awful clicking. You just put the disc in and have guaranteed mediocrity.
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Not for those who have done a quick cost/benefit analysis in their head and decided that the Xbox 360 version of Crysis 2 was the correct route to take for them. In a situation in which you already own an Xbox 360 that you purchased several years ago, and your PC is a bit out of date, and you haven't the desire or resources to upgrade to a new computer, and Crysis 2 is on sale, then you'll still be able to enjoy a good experience without incurring a large cost.Snuggler said:
What is actually quite interesting to me is how they got Crysis 2 to run on such older console hardware like the PS3 and Xbox 360 without sacrificing as much graphical fidelity as I thought they would.
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Snuggler said:
720p if you're lucky, I play games on PC and Console's and after a stint of playing on PC sometimes it can be a bit of a rough transition going back to my 360. Or playing Call of Duty at a friends house, you can tell right away the resolution isn't right, things just look blurrier and shitter than they should.
I looked up a list of console games running at sub-720 resolutions the other day, how many games do this is pretty embarrassing. The worst offender I can remember was Star Ocean 4, in battles it would drop to sub SD resolutions, just looked like a bucket of ass.
To be fair, though. It is more tolerable when you sit a significant distance from the Television, which most console gamers do.
PC > Nintendo
Dolphin does what Nintendon't. Playing (and upscale) Wii/Gamecube games even better than their future console. My wii's only task now is to be 'on' for the sensor bar to work with my wiimote connected to my PC. I know...I really need to buy a wireless sensor bar. XD
Seriously they could do it, if the WiiU is really suposed to be more powerful than a ps3, I'm sure it would be capable of upscaling Wii games just like Dolphin can. Well, I'll stick with Dolphin for a long time, it works great and it can only improves with time. =D
The only downside here is, if you want to use it legit-style (with your own CDs/DVDs), you got to find very specifics brands of LG's CD/DVD Drives to be able to rip your own games. But in the end, it's all worth it. My futuristic way of seeing thing says that my wii will die one day, I will lose all my saved games. On the other hand, on PC, I can keep them all on my HDD and on tons of portable storage spaces that are all way more accessible.
Playing REmake has never been so good!
Dolphin does what Nintendon't. Playing (and upscale) Wii/Gamecube games even better than their future console. My wii's only task now is to be 'on' for the sensor bar to work with my wiimote connected to my PC. I know...I really need to buy a wireless sensor bar. XD
Seriously they could do it, if the WiiU is really suposed to be more powerful than a ps3, I'm sure it would be capable of upscaling Wii games just like Dolphin can. Well, I'll stick with Dolphin for a long time, it works great and it can only improves with time. =D
The only downside here is, if you want to use it legit-style (with your own CDs/DVDs), you got to find very specifics brands of LG's CD/DVD Drives to be able to rip your own games. But in the end, it's all worth it. My futuristic way of seeing thing says that my wii will die one day, I will lose all my saved games. On the other hand, on PC, I can keep them all on my HDD and on tons of portable storage spaces that are all way more accessible.
Playing REmake has never been so good!
Spokker said:
Of course, I've been there. And that's just it, your six year old console will guarantee mediocrity. You won't have to worry about clicking a box or changing a setting, it's all laid out there for you.
If your computer can't do any better, then it might be time for a new computer, but whatever, the console can run it so who cares.
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Shit I love my new PC and Steam, been a console gamer all my life. It wasn't until this gen where I felt a Gaming PC was a must. Games look and run way better and there are emulators that run your old console games 10x better.
That said until Nintendo gives of the games business I will always want their console. Sony has gotten a good amount of 1st party exclusives that catch my attention as well.
Other than that PC is the way to go now no doubt about it. Yes you can play on the couch with a controller I have done it myself and even shows more why its the way to go.
That said until Nintendo gives of the games business I will always want their console. Sony has gotten a good amount of 1st party exclusives that catch my attention as well.
Other than that PC is the way to go now no doubt about it. Yes you can play on the couch with a controller I have done it myself and even shows more why its the way to go.
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I've posted in another thread about my practice of switching between consoles and PCs from time to time. It happens quite naturally as hardware, both console and PC, becomes outdated. And I find that when I finally do upgrade my PC, like a jump from say, a Radeon x800 to a 6770, the difference is quite striking.Snuggler said:
A six year old console will guarantee mediocrity, with some caveats. Games that were scaled correctly to the hardware and/or have very good art direction, and most importantly good gameplay, will always be fun. I find that some of the more stylized cartoony games are more interesting and fun than Crysis. Good stories and good voice acting can go a long way to bringing a game world to life.
The moral of the story is always this. Buy only as much as you need to fulfill your goals. For the longest time the only PC games I really cared about were Team Fortress 2 and Civilization IV. My Athlon 64 and x800 could handle those just fine. Now I've upgraded my PC because there are some sim games that I just can't get on consoles that require a dual core processor, and I'm having a blast.
And that's a world I'd be happy to live in being a former primarily PC gamer, turned primarily console gamer.geeko420 said:
At the moment though, the elitism that comes from the PC side is ridiculous and it's understandable why console gamers fight back when terms like "console peasants" and "glorious pc master race" are thrown around not just in jest, but seriously.
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I also wonder why we care about "true HD" as if it wasn't an arbitrary definition to start with. I play at 1440x900 and I feel that's perfectly acceptable on my 19 inch monitor. I never felt the need to pay much more for what would likely offer very little visual benefit.
I mean, while I certainly appreciate and admire the push for more realistic graphics (and I love reading about 3D graphics and GPUs), I still don't mind that video games look like video games still.
I mean, while I certainly appreciate and admire the push for more realistic graphics (and I love reading about 3D graphics and GPUs), I still don't mind that video games look like video games still.
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Spokker:
I'm actually posting on my iphone right now. :/ But Yeah, I have a computer, an old laptop. So no simple GPU upgrade for me.
And I always install my games on the HDD on the 360, so it's actually quite silent.
It's nice to hear that the 360 controller works fine though, that's a big plus, keyboard and mouse is definitely not my thing.
But I could never be without Sony and (some) Nintendo exclusives. No Uncharted? No zelda? It's not going to happen. The 360 barely have exclusives though, they all ends up on PC, so maybe if I would ignore the 360/720 and use the PC for multi platform games and the other consoles for the exclusives it wouldn't be as expensive.
I'm glad to hear that the piracy problem might not be as bad as I thought though, if that indeed is the case. But the PC gamers I know doesn't have much of a Steam library. They're pirates. I've had many discussions with them about their piracy and that they should at least buy the games they really like, but they just laugh and say "Why? The games are free, one or two mouse clicks away." And the same goes for music and movies.
I'm actually posting on my iphone right now. :/ But Yeah, I have a computer, an old laptop. So no simple GPU upgrade for me.
And I always install my games on the HDD on the 360, so it's actually quite silent.
It's nice to hear that the 360 controller works fine though, that's a big plus, keyboard and mouse is definitely not my thing.
But I could never be without Sony and (some) Nintendo exclusives. No Uncharted? No zelda? It's not going to happen. The 360 barely have exclusives though, they all ends up on PC, so maybe if I would ignore the 360/720 and use the PC for multi platform games and the other consoles for the exclusives it wouldn't be as expensive.
I'm glad to hear that the piracy problem might not be as bad as I thought though, if that indeed is the case. But the PC gamers I know doesn't have much of a Steam library. They're pirates. I've had many discussions with them about their piracy and that they should at least buy the games they really like, but they just laugh and say "Why? The games are free, one or two mouse clicks away." And the same goes for music and movies.