Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
More like Rush Limbaugh combined with the Unskewed Polls guy
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Pctx presents: Libya. The official thread of who knew what, when and why it happened
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More like Rush Limbaugh combined with the Unskewed Polls guy
Buddha Beam
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I wonder if you felt that way about the Bush administration and the whole missing the boat on 9/11 thing. Or the anthrax attacks. Or the Iraq debacle (there are so many to pick from). Or Republicans conspiring against Obama to crash the economy.
Or...
Or......
Or.........
Or do you not believe in litigating the past?
Fenderputty
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I'm sure PCTX had the same outrage over the Iraq War / lack of actual WMD's and promptly decided to vote out Bush in 2004.
Well, he doesn't have the outright Racism of Rush Limbaugh, but he does have the bordering on satirical ignorance...
Hard to say really.
iamshadowlark
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Outrage? There's non of that. What this is, is the right media sensing their candidate probably won't win and are trying their damnest to realize the dream in January.
It's all fake outrage which is why this is a joke. Republicans are deliberately telling lies to try and tie this to Obama and that Obama caused them to die. It's beyond pathetic.
Dude Abides
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Election.
Yeah, this is really what's both amusing and frustrating about the issue. Is it possible the administration did something wrong? It's possible, although plenty of knowledgeable people with good reason to say that they did (like Condi) have said that they probably didn't. But the Republican party, and Romney in specific, have poisoned the well so aggressively with obvious and clearly inaccurate attacks on the President from all conceivable angles that reasonable people simply don't believe them. You don't have to take my word for it -- just look at the complete lack of traction this is getting as an election issue, or Romney's unwillingness to even approach the topic last Monday. It doesn't play, and it doesn't play for the simple and straightforward reason that the people pushing it have cried "terrorist" a few times too often. Frankly, this should be a cautionary tale for you -- because if there was something really wrong here, it would be bad for national security, and if the GOP hadn't frittered away all its credibility, maybe they could actually serve as an effective critic of the Adminstration's decisions and help America. But that die is cast.
The fuck does this even mean.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Probably the most honest thing he's posted yet.
There is nothing to be confused about, the Libya story, at least the 'outrage part' is something conjured up by right wing pundit and republican political affiliates in order to try to paint the president as weak on terror or at worst willing to cover up the deaths of his coworkers for political gain with the election so close. They are intentionally instilling confusion into a story that is still being investigated internally.
Apparently I'm Panetta, since I basically told him the same thing last thread, that it was armchair quarterbacking.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
You're going to convince a whole of GAFers to vote for Romney with this eloquently crafted thread, I'm sure.
The GOP thanks you for your commitment to God, Country, and Profit.
The GOP thanks you for your commitment to God, Country, and Profit.
It means he's trolling liberal GAF but as a card carrying member of liberal GAF I can tell you that we're having just as much fun as him.
The fact that Fox News coordinated with The Daily Caller on a video to build momentum makes me question the authenticity of anything they claim now.
A few weeks ago we were told for hours that there was a never before-seen video of a race driven speech by Obama from 2007. After building it up for hours and hours both sites released it at the same time.
Turns out this "never before seen" video was already covered by the original TDC author and Fox News.
It's really hard for me to buy into anything they claim anymore.
A few weeks ago we were told for hours that there was a never before-seen video of a race driven speech by Obama from 2007. After building it up for hours and hours both sites released it at the same time.
Turns out this "never before seen" video was already covered by the original TDC author and Fox News.
It's really hard for me to buy into anything they claim anymore.
"NeoGAF poster Pctx says..."
The way this has been politicized drives me fucking nuts. It's gross. But I mean, the Republicans refused to change their story about why we went to war in Iraq long after it was clear we went under false pretenses. Bush did a fucking skit about it for the White House Correspondents Dinner, you guys. The nature of information you have after an event is going to change the further you investigate. I'm not sure why people are so hung up on this. Obama said they'll get the guys who did it, and I believe him on that. I'm certain the US will drone bomb a ton of Libyans in retaliation.
And there you have it in a nutshell. This is why I like Pidge.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Its a wildly transparent last ditch effort to create controversy - the public doesn't even understand Benghazi in the first place, much less why there's allegedly a conspiracy involved in it. As the administration basically said "yea there was a lot of shit going on" and they certainly might have missed it. That's not really a "conspiracy." There was a lot of shit going on on the ground there and Republicans are trying to play armchair monday morning QB.
This is excellent.
Rocket Scientist
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Uh, I like Obama and have many black friends, but this is looking pretty bad.
Bad in the sense that this will influence people's opinion and voting. It's just too sensational now.
Bad in the sense that this will influence people's opinion and voting. It's just too sensational now.
Mengy
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What has gotten you the flak, Pctx, is that for all this time you have been talking like you knew the situation when in fact you did not. You have been throwing around blame and accusations without really knowing what happened.
However, yes this does seem to vindicate you and the right wingers calling for heads to roll. But that doesn't diminish the fact that you (and Fox and the right) have been on a crusade to crucify the Obama administration since day one of this. It has been horrible behavior from the right lately. Very unpatriotic and embarrassing.
But yeah, this new info is pretty damning. Someone in the chain of command will be paying for this if it's correct.
The abject rage conservatives experience once Obama wins is going to be absolutely glorious. On the level of "Cartman licking up tears" glorious:
He isn't going to win the election fairly you know. Just heard that this morning. Firstly, Romney is going to win the popular vote, no questions asked, but Obummer has rigged the electoral college so he gets four more years. The person who wins the popular vote should win the election!
And the dems are trying to use voter fraud to win even more electoral college points, keeping dead people in states like Florida and Arizona on the records!
Kano on the Phone
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LOL, really?
It's like you were trying to embody the gist behind my last post.
"I have lots of black friends, but I don't mind a good lynching every now and then."
I'm still kind of confused on some of the issues here. From what I understand and read in this very news story the requests for help were issued earlier in the day when the initial mob was happening. They were denied, and the consulate was pretty safe from that attack, as evidenced by the email saying Stevens was in a safe haven and no one being killed there.
When the actual mortar firing happened, later in the day (or I guess early the next morning Libyan time) after a cease fire, there was backup there. A quick response team from Tripoli and a friendly Libyan force had arrived. So, it seems incredibly misleading to put out a big headline about backup being denied when the backup was for the earlier incident and when the event that took lives happened there was backup there.
When the actual mortar firing happened, later in the day (or I guess early the next morning Libyan time) after a cease fire, there was backup there. A quick response team from Tripoli and a friendly Libyan force had arrived. So, it seems incredibly misleading to put out a big headline about backup being denied when the backup was for the earlier incident and when the event that took lives happened there was backup there.
Rocket Scientist
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I know it's a bad joke >.> And in fact a lie. I wish I had black friends, hell, I wish I was black =(
Spot on. This has been a non-issue from the start. Every time Romney brought it up in the debates, my reaction is, "Who cares? Why is he bringing this up?"
Colbert had a nice little piece about the whole thing:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/420540/october-24-2012/nonstop-libya-gate-questions
I stopped reading right there.
Seraphis Cain
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Do you think that Gore should have been president in 2000, then?
Dude Abides
Banned
People sure are great at detecting sarcasm in this thread.
I actually agree with this statement here. Can we get our 8 years back under George W. Bush that should have been under Gore?
And technically half of the population of Florida are zombies so its cool if they vote.
I think that's Pctx's real goal, he wants to break down preconceived notions of sarcasm as an art house experiment.
I think the country has reached a weird tipping point where the partisan divide is so huge and some people are so ridiculously insane that it's kind of hard to tell. We, as a nation, have jumped the shark.
Rocket Scientist
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Could you point to quotes about that, because when I read the Fox story (Yeah I know... Fox), the impression I get is so different from that.
It always like this, its Fox they are very very misleading on all their stories.
But pctx told me everyone else was picking it up too!
Rocket Scientist
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If you're writing an article like this though, I really need to see some time stamps, because right now it's just an incoherent mess that barely even tries to accurately explain the timeline.
I pretty much make Jackson Pollock look like Sesame Street. (Take that Big Bird).
To be fair though, I still don't get how anyone liberal or conservative can basically say this is a non-issue or "people just don't get Libya" as this directly ties to how we are viewed as a nation by our own people. At home or abroad, if it carries an American flag, you treat that land as American soil. If the fight comes to that soil, you had better be ready to defend it against any enemy, foreign or domestic. In this case, it was both.
Fenderputty
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Fair and balanced.
I saw something similar on Forbes just a little while ago.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Allright, I made my previous post before I knew the situation. Looking at it further, this is only showing up on Fox news, who posted it up just before noon time. I'm betting Pctx heard about it from Rush at noon, and then he ran here to vindicate himself and his crusade against the President armed with an actual news article that Rush told him about. And from looking at the time stamps of when Pctx made this thread (about 12:30 my time), that is exactly how it happened.
So it's just a Fox political smear piece that the right spin engine is trotting out today. Until other news sites, more credible and less biased than Fox, picks this up, it's not news at all.
LOL, damnit. Well shit, I'm just going to shut up now and wait a day and see how this sorts out.
Kung Fu Jedi
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I agree with most that this issues has been blown up larger than it probably should be. But I was disheartened when I read that the U.S. had drones in operation over the site, which would have told them exactly what was going on, and they still failed to act. It's very sad, but I'm not sure I can place the blame on Obama for that.
Buddha Beam
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This thread suddenly has the potential to be great!
The sad thing about this thread is that by A) citing Fox when there are credible sources available, B) loading it with insulting hyperbole such as 'if you don't think this is bigger than Watergate then you are literally smoking some potent shit' and C) implying that Leon Panetta is in telepathic communication with you, you have torpedoed what might have been a valuable discussion in the very first post.
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