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Persona 5 PS4/PS3 comparison screens
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Linkstrikesback
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Dubbed titles for anything beyond the more niche games sell more than no dubbed versions
It sucks for people who don't like it, but if they have to make a choice between the two, dub will win a lot of the time.
Because a dub will sell better and because it's not inexpensive to licence the dub.
Z..
Member
You do understand why translation companies are the very last people you should be listening to when it comes to something like that, right?
Also, as previously stated NA ≠ the whole world outside of Japan.
Of course the amount of people who play it in english will far, far outweigh those who play it in Japanese... english is the default option and the vast majority couldn't care less.
Basically, I very much doubt that if the dub was released on launch day as optional DLC (while making the base game appropriately cheaper) we'd witness the vast majoity of people choosing to buy it. It's really easy to test and I'm not sure why publishers haven't done it so far, even if just to measure demand on such a costly process so they can appropriately prioritize going forward.
purseowner
Member
This is why I'm hyped for next week, but my hype for February is muted.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
In many cases, licensing the Japanese dub for overseas use is actually more expensive than just making a brand new English dub. And yes, this makes no logical sense, but that's just how the Japanese voice acting industry is. So you would actually be increasing your localization costs while reducing your potential market and that's just bad business.
Agreed 1000%.
Most games these days give a choice. Even FFXV is giving us the choice.
Its just Atlus being backwards and pigheaded as usual.
People keep saying this but without a source.
Companies release cheap, lower budget games all the time with just the Japanese audio and English text.
This seems like a cost cutting measure to me not the other way round.
Has Atlus even said if they are offering the option as DLC?
I'm still unconvinced, the UI is the only thing that looks 60fps to me. Unless there is new footage?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50395479&postcount=1
And here's Bandai-Namco saying the same thing:
http://kotaku.com/why-most-tales-games-havent-had-the-japanese-voice-trac-1730976210
Much of the time, voice acting contracts for Japanese video games limit the use of the voice tracks to Japan. And if you want to use them elsewhere, you need to track everybody down, write new contracts, and pay everybody again. And if you're big enough to go to that trouble, you probably just want to dub everything again since dubbed games tend to sell better.
If you want to include both tracks, the best thing to do is to make sure the original voice acting contracts give you worldwide rights. That's most likely going to cost you extra upfront, but be drastically easier & less expensive in the long run. However, this requires the original company to have that desire in the first place and in the past, Atlus Japan has been worried about reverse importation, so that's not exactly a priority for them.
I can understand that... didn't they make P4 Arena (which was dual-audio) region-locked for that very reason?
Does it cost anything extra to region-lock games?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I don't know why we are talking about 60fps. It has been confirmed nowhere.
So basically it is short sigtedness on the part of the companies, not just a cost thing.
I understand but obviously I don't like it.
This is 2016 after all, they should have worked out all the red tape long ago.
I do appreciate your sources though. Its interesting, if a little frustrating.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Everyone from the very modest sellers like Idea Factory's Hyperdimension Neptunia to the middle ground of Spike Chunsoft's Danganronpa to the big boys of Square Enix's Final Fantasy have shown that it's not in fact bad business to go in this direction. With such a range of publishers giving the option I don't see how Atlus can hide under this excuse for a game that's guaranteed to sell crazy anyway.
Apparently, 60 fps option on YT videos despite the game itself not running at 60 = 60 confirmed.
Both versions look great. 60fps for PS4 is a nice bonus. It ultimately didn't matter. I was getting this game on whatever platform it released on, and since I don't play my PS3 much these days, and the PS4 is in the bedroom, along with the big screen, it was a no brainer.
Art assets look identical, but the 60fps is going to make the PS4 version look crisper. I keep forgetting this game is coming out, even though it's probably my most anticipated PS4 game, but that's kind of a good thing, since it means the wait doesn't feel as long when I remember it's coming. I pre-ordered the Take Your Heart edition. I don't take time off of work for video games, but man is it tempting to take Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday off to get sucked into this game. There'd be no point in taking Tuesday off, because I never get my packages before 3pm, so it'd just be a waste of an off day. February 14th can't get here soon enough! Now back to trying to forget this thing is coming out!
Art assets look identical, but the 60fps is going to make the PS4 version look crisper. I keep forgetting this game is coming out, even though it's probably my most anticipated PS4 game, but that's kind of a good thing, since it means the wait doesn't feel as long when I remember it's coming. I pre-ordered the Take Your Heart edition. I don't take time off of work for video games, but man is it tempting to take Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday off to get sucked into this game. There'd be no point in taking Tuesday off, because I never get my packages before 3pm, so it'd just be a waste of an off day. February 14th can't get here soon enough! Now back to trying to forget this thing is coming out!
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Isn't it releasing after September? A Pro mode is highly likely.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Every single company you mentioned has realized that it's profitable to support PC/Steam EXCEPT Atlus. They're not exactly up-to-date with the times.
This is why I struggle to have sympathy for Atlus.
This is the company that goes out of its way to either ignore or fuck over Europe.
Damn Atlus I love your games, but despise your company,.
Z..
Member
That is ridiculous, but in a world where profit is the only life goal left it's not surprising and we really can't do anything about it. Companies are too greedy to be handing out residuals and make everything fair for everyone and the VAs, much like every other person on earth, are too greedy not to take every penny they can get their hands on. Money money money money.
No, just empty promises and wild dreams.
LordGorchnik
Member
Which in business speak means 30% of the time it's going to happen 100% of the time.
Half-Life 3 confirmed.
maquiladora
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PS3 Pro?
YuriLowell
Member
Hopefully we get a little PS4 Pro Improvement.
From another thread:
It may have been posted here, couldn't see it posted recently, but from the Yakuza 6 thread, it seems Play Asia presentation had a slide confirming these were all getting pro treatment...
Linkstrikesback
Member
It's not about English being the default : if a game doesn't come with an English dub and sticks with a Japanese one, sales drop through the floor.
I'm quite sure I trust employees of localisation companies like xseed when they say that they get more sales with an English dub over your rampant speculation. If anything, they'd go with the dub on disc and downloadable original track.
Besides that, I'd love to hear how you think having a dub as launch day dlc with Japanese voices on disc is any cheaper at all...
That's some shit, sucks for those that want it.
It's wrong, the screen cap where this bit was taken from the conference says nothing about these titles getting Pro patched. So nothing from Persona until it's out right confirmed.
donutzsick
Member
I'm so excited about 60 FPS in my turn based RPG!!!!
Yes, where is the source for the 60fps claims?
The youtube videos on the first page are encoded at 60fps, but the game is clearly running at 30fps. If anything, it makes 60fps seem unlikely since that means they had to record video at 30fps, then reencode and upload it at 60.
If you think the game runs at 60fps just because you can select 720p60/1080p60 on youtube, you are mistaken. If there is any real confirmation, however, please do share.
This is not the type of game where I feel it's needed (even if it's always welcome), but I see so many people celebrating this game runs at 60 that I'd hate to see everyone be disappointed when they find out it actually just runs at 30. I hope I'm wrong, though.
The youtube videos on the first page are encoded at 60fps, but the game is clearly running at 30fps. If anything, it makes 60fps seem unlikely since that means they had to record video at 30fps, then reencode and upload it at 60.
If you think the game runs at 60fps just because you can select 720p60/1080p60 on youtube, you are mistaken. If there is any real confirmation, however, please do share.
This is not the type of game where I feel it's needed (even if it's always welcome), but I see so many people celebrating this game runs at 60 that I'd hate to see everyone be disappointed when they find out it actually just runs at 30. I hope I'm wrong, though.
Ace Harding
Member
I hope you're wrong too. What is the source here?
Regardless, I cannot effing wait to play this game. I have been craving a quality JRPG on my PS4 since I bought it and this will be my first Persona game.
Well, if they can't get it running at 60 fps under normal circumstances, that might be where Pro mode steps in.
Yeah, looking at more footage you seem to be correct.
Unknown Soldier
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Because Atlus. Every other company localizing JP titles, including Square Enix, have figured out how to include dual audio in localized releases. Atlus just doesn't give a shit about their customers.
Sarcasm detected. But you should be excited, games always look better at 60, doesn't have to be a fast paced action game. Battle animations will look nice and silky smooth.
This news makes me very happy.
Desinformation : the thread.
Garbage.
1) persona 5 isn't running at 60 fps until indicated otherwise
2) Naruto Storm 4 never had a single official video at 60fps, only fans have faked 60 fps for i
3) The psAsia conference NEVER confirmed that all those games were getting pro treatment. It just said those were coming to ps4 soon. ( doesn't mean they won't get pro versions but it's not confirmed )
Garbage.
1) persona 5 isn't running at 60 fps until indicated otherwise
2) Naruto Storm 4 never had a single official video at 60fps, only fans have faked 60 fps for i
3) The psAsia conference NEVER confirmed that all those games were getting pro treatment. It just said those were coming to ps4 soon. ( doesn't mean they won't get pro versions but it's not confirmed )
Movalpolos
Banned
This post is a fantasy based in a fantasy.
cj_iwakura
Member
Well, you're half right. It's an opportunity cost thing. It's not worth the extra investment to them, so they don't bother.
You keep saying that, but I don't think it means as much as you think it does.