He's predicting that Sony will beat them at their own game.
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Phil Spencer expect PS4 price cut this holiday in US
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He's predicting that Sony will beat them at their own game.
For the reccord, there were tons of XBO peeps making threads akin to "why did you pick a PS4?" in the past as well.
Now with your own self professed MS goggles ("I am a fan of the brand"), one should not wonder why you seem to perceive a bias.
Same as people upset over Spencer being called out on spewing BS around FFXIV's " exclusivity".
DarthWalden
Banned
If they drop the price they can ensure that xb1 has very little chance of catching up in their #1 market.
To sell better and not let the thunder start to slow down. To increase console install base even more... It's been almost two years most hardcores have already jumped in, this will help those that are on the edge + casuals. There once you include the advances they have made in manufacturing, some of the money lost dropping the price will be offset there.
Lool
By the way, I won't take seriously anyone who confuses preference with bias.
I'm pretty sure preference is an exact synonym of bias.
You know... One thing can lead to the other, there's like... A pretty thin line between the 2.
Kralamoonard
Member
Well your preference is certainly leading to you perceiving things and commenting in a biased way (i.e. your post on the previous page).
Nothing wrong with a preference; but it can very easily (without people realising) cause bias to slip through in the way they come across. I won't fault many people with that, as it happens to most people (it's pretty much 99% impossible to remain strictly neutral), but I gotta disagree on your notion that preference and bias are two separate things.
No it doesn't sound reasonable...at all. Most people here on GAF were pretty content with the TGS lineup - I honestly don't see the logic at a "quiet TGS" being this hidden cause behind the change in mood towards XB1 and its executives.
There's honestly no mood shift at all; GAF has always had people being bitter on either console and on either company. And if the point about FW updates were the case, then you'd get this "mood change" being happy all year long. 3.0 is in beta btw, so that doesn't even make any sense.
Again you can't call this preference without including the word bias here (on the topic at what each company excel at):
I don't have a problem with people having preferences, there is nothing wrong with that, I myself have no shame in admitting that I am a big PS fan, but I'm just arguing that your point about bias and preference being two separate things isn't really true.
Ricerocket
Member
This is interesting coming from you. So you shouldn't be disappointed that people find your bias unbearable.
slavesnyder
Member
Hope he pays his team of analysts who came to this conclusion a fortune.
Honestly, I could see them dropping the price to 350 (with Microsoft dropping the standard X1 price to 300 with Tomb Raider/Halo 4).
Other regions are getting price drops for the PS4, so US should be included as well regardless of the high success Sony has been having in that region.
Other regions are getting price drops for the PS4, so US should be included as well regardless of the high success Sony has been having in that region.
GreatestHits
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New breaking news from Phil: Phil Spencer expects Xbox One to come in 2nd place in lifetime sales for this generation's consoles (however, goes on to say the XB1 will go down in history as the fastest/greatest selling console of all-time as well). Stay tuned for more expert insights....
After the price cut in Japan, and the price cut in Asia, and the price cut in the UK, how is he coming up with such amazing future predictions?
1. So I am just "perceiving" these posts, then? Okay.
2. It can be mistaken very easily here because of two things. People jump to assumptions quickly, and due to the medium of discussion, ie. a forum. If people here would converse in person in a casual discussion, they'd get to know people just enough to know when they are biased (preference against) or impartial (neutral). You can make better judgement of a person through your senses during a human interaction, you can read their body language, you can take note of their stance on a subject they are talking about from how relaxed they seem, you can tell if they are lying by eye contact. For the above examples, it can be seen why people here, and on any forum, very quickly jump to assumption of bias because they can't rely on any of those things. It is quite often that I see people assuming that just because you prefer X, you must hate Y.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Sony announces Price Cut.
Phil Spencer predicts they will announce Price Cut days after Price Cut announcement.
Phil Spencer predicts they will announce Price Cut days after Price Cut announcement.
Nintendo gonna Nintendo. The new bundle with Mario Maker and amiibo costs 350$...
Kralamoonard
Member
1. Well as I said, if there's conclusive evidence that over the past few days, some gamers have been actively acting more towards XB1 etc, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. So unless there is, it's pretty much just your perception (or is the word assumption better to use? I may have used the wrong word)
2. I whole heartedly agree on the IRL interaction vs forum interaction. That's something I've had trouble with previously, and is very very true. Honestly, I'm probably going to refer to that part in the future, as it's been nicely explained here.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Can't wait for Xbox One and PS4 to get higher adoption rates so cross-gen can finally die
Canada will get a price hike.
Silent Chief
Member
He's waiting on a price cut to buy one.
You did not, I mistook you for someone else. I edited the original post.
For the rest, this is just the feeling that I get when I see people playing the bias card. It feels wrong because I don't see it happening in other situations. Bias is only put into question when people go out of their way to prove something. Here, it gets thrown around very easily.
Kralamoonard
Member
Yeah, I get your point. Sorry if my original point did come across as confrontational, I apologise for that. Good day
A persecution complex doesn't come from imagining the opinions themselves, but how the mind ascribes cause and intent to those actions and opinions based on weak, limited, and/or illogical evidence.
Anyways, it's the last I'll say on the subject here -- moving on.
Regarding a price drop, I personally do not think it's a foregone conclusion yet. I imagine it will depend on how preorders for the fall bundles are tracking.
i really want this. i promised my nephews a ps4 for christmas and any money saved will be appreciated.
Kralamoonard
Member
Sooo, back on topic; I personally think the price will be dropped by just $50 to $350 since it seems enough to highlight a difference in price, yet remain highly profitable, moreso than if it were dropped by $100.
PdotMichael
Banned
Industry expert.
Mama Spencer didn't send him to the University of Washington for no reason!
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
True. I generally start hating consoles the second they announce something about their dashboard. If Wii U or PS4 ever change, well their companies better watch out if they read my neogaf posts at that time. They won't want to hear what I have to say.
...Scatter...
Banned
I make a comment to avert console wars. I start console wars. Facepalm.
lol
PS4 has a weak holiday line up. Even though they're well ahead, they can't be arrogant. They need to keep competing, and at the moment a price drop would be the best way to do that.
Angelus Errare
Banned
lol my dude said people are mad because of a dashboard update lmao.
Yea, we sorted it out already.
Apologies, everyone.
They have Star Wars and Call of Duty bundles, I don't really think even a $50 cut is necessary this holiday season. Unless they want to beat MS in NPD for sure, but it's not really needed. They are well ahead in world wide sales.
Don't forget the every 2 year driving game.
Bear Force One
Banned
Phil Spencer says whatever he thinks people want to hear.
I am, actually, thinking along those same lines. Good write up. It really wouldn't make sense for them to drop the price again.
Grimgrillz
Banned
Does Phil ever miss an opportunity to talk about PS4? I haven't heard any Sony exec talk about Phil or even mention XBO in a real long time.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Well there are only PS4 game announcements to talk about. 8)
The Mad Draklor
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Bias (n.) prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Preference (n.) a greater liking for one alternative over another or others.
While not identical, they usually go hand-in-hand.
...Scatter...
Banned
Do you think maybe someone asked him a related question? Or do you think he just walks around muttering about the PS4?
It was a snippet from an IGN interview, my god. Also, yes, he is an industry expert since he leads the whole gaming division. Although, he's 'just PR' isn't he folk?
Let's all jump on the Phil hate train!This thread is becoming embarrassing.
People dwell on Star Wars and CoD bundles but underestimate the power of a bundle such as Forza, Halo and Gears. Keeping in mind Gears jumped to #2 in NPD in 2 days... And exclusives don't sell.
This winter, either way will be interesting. People need to understand that Sony are playing the worst hand here, their line up is empty compared to MS. No wonder they're price dropping. Gonna be some good NPD threads.
Bear Force One
Banned
This really went south. Wow.