Nocturnowl
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Lazy devs, jumping to almost exclusively negative conclusions, franchise destruction, Ninty hating the fans, pretending Chibi Robo wasn't already the walking dead as a franchise until Zip Lash.
Yep, I'm on GAF alright.
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Pikmin side-scroller announced for Nintendo 3DS, coming 2017
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Lazy devs, jumping to almost exclusively negative conclusions, franchise destruction, Ninty hating the fans, pretending Chibi Robo wasn't already the walking dead as a franchise until Zip Lash.
Yep, I'm on GAF alright.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Ah okay, thanks for the heads up. Well, let's wait and see then.
Not to mention, a far worse far more egregious spin-off preceded Zip-Lash, in the form of Photo Finder.
My pleasure. Here's hoping!
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Already Torn
Banned
Pikmin: Ziplash 
I'm stoked for this if it means Pikmin is getting spinoff games and Pikmin 4 is on NX though.
I'm stoked for this if it means Pikmin is getting spinoff games and Pikmin 4 is on NX though.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It'll probably not be called Pikmin 4 or that there won't be any Pikmin games in the style of the first three, but this is so clearly the game Miyamoto was referring.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Is this some sort of retort?
Are you guys being serious with this stuff?
Pikmin had an amazing entry on the Wii U, and Pikmin 4 is in development. The issue with Federation Force was that Nintendo had done nothing good with Metroid in some time, and it was jarring to see the IP come back in a form that didn't evoke Metroid at all. It's bizarre how we've suddenly decided that the existence of a spin-off implies a dead or neglected franchise.
plentyofmilhouse
Member
Far from what I was expecting from the next Pikmin title, but I'll give this is a try.
Already Torn
Banned
Mass Attack is worse than every single Pikmin game though
AcademicSaucer
Member
This doesnt look good, Im not going to pretend that Metroid is dead because this was made tho.
Lightningboalt
Neo Member
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. It looked a bit slow, but then it also looks like that was pretty early development footage so I don't know how representative of the final product it is. It has potential.
I doubt this is Pikmin 4 considering this is "Pikmin (Working Title)" and Pikmin 4 was announced specifically as Pikmin 4. So with the assumption that this is a spinoff, I see no real issue with it. It's a sidescroller that's actually keeping a lot of what gives Pikmin an identity, using Pikmin to solve puzzles and fight giant enemies. It's a far cry from the likes of Zip-Lash ("let's make a generic 2D platformer out of an existing IP") or Federation Force ("let's give fans of this long dormant series a spinoff game that feels out of place"), those comparisons are misguided. It hasn't been that long since Pikmin 3 and the core of Pikmin is surviving a hostile world where everything's bigger than you and you have an army of small familiars - that's in this game so far, and other than looking a bit slow paced it looks faithful to the franchise.
I doubt this is Pikmin 4 considering this is "Pikmin (Working Title)" and Pikmin 4 was announced specifically as Pikmin 4. So with the assumption that this is a spinoff, I see no real issue with it. It's a sidescroller that's actually keeping a lot of what gives Pikmin an identity, using Pikmin to solve puzzles and fight giant enemies. It's a far cry from the likes of Zip-Lash ("let's make a generic 2D platformer out of an existing IP") or Federation Force ("let's give fans of this long dormant series a spinoff game that feels out of place"), those comparisons are misguided. It hasn't been that long since Pikmin 3 and the core of Pikmin is surviving a hostile world where everything's bigger than you and you have an army of small familiars - that's in this game so far, and other than looking a bit slow paced it looks faithful to the franchise.
balladofwindfishes
Member
No it isn't. This isn't Pikmin 4. This was never going to be Pikmin 4. This isn't named Pikmin 4. It plays nothing like Pikmin 4. IT. IS. NOT. PIKMIN. 4.
How on god's green earth do you believe one of Nintendo's most important new IPs of the 21st century, with three AAA, high quality games under its belt, all with decent sales, produced/designed by the best game designer in the history of video games, is a 2D platform puzzle spin off game on the 3DS announced at the end of a Direct with no fanfare or anything besides a 30 second trailer?
How does that thinking even make any lick of sense what so ever?
dampflokfreund
Banned
I know you are not speaking to me directly, but I want to say I was misinformed and you are right, the Pikmin franchise and Metroid's situation are in no ways comparable. Sorry about that.
I really hope you Pikmin guys are getting a good NX Pikmin 4 that lives up to your expectations (If I get my "true" 3D Mario&Metroid of course
) I feel like the NX could bring back the Nintendo magic that I've missed over the last couple of years. Today's showing for the 3DS, however, wasn't the best so I set my expectations quite a bit lower.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
You're in denial.
I have a weird suspicion that some of our posters have completely lost the ball in the echo-chamber of GAF. When Broly (no offense meant!) is a voice of reason, some of you have fallen waaaay off the deep end.
This isn't actually much of a rebuttal.
This isn't actually much of a rebuttal.
It must be nice comparing a totally different genre.
When I hear Pikmin 4, I think of a game that's similar to the previous 3. I don't tend to think of the e-Reader spin-off. I also don't tend to think of a side-scroller.
Though I worry you may be right, given that Miyamoto said Pikmin 4 was "close to completion", and I can't see us getting a Pikmin spin-off followed soon after by a main Pikmin game on NX. I think the deciding factor may be who's developing it; if Nintendo EPD is behind this, then this is more than likely Pikmin 4. If it's been outsourced, I'd have doubts about whether this is what they were referring to. Even though Pikmin's not a huge seller, I can't imagine them farming a main series entry out.
Edit: There's a lot of people here saying that this isn't Pikmin 4 because the title hasn't been announced. Are you all still waiting for Super Mario 128?
Already Torn
Banned
Because it sells like hot trash and Miyamoto's been busy desperately trying to pull Star Fox Zero together for the past few years.
Pikmin is arguably my favorite Nintendo franchise, but I wouldn't be surprised if they looked at the series and said "the Pikmin are wonderful characters, but how can we help the games sell more?" and decided the solution was to slow down the action, bring the camera closer, and reduce the number of dimensions.
balladofwindfishes
Member
You've provided nothing at all to prove that this is Pikmin 4, besides it being a new Pikmin game.
And yet everyone else has provided pretty detailed explanations for why it makes 0 sense for this to be Pikmin 4.
And yet you have the gall to say I'm in denial? Are you trolling?
purseowner
Member
This. All we need in order to know if there's a mainline game on NX in the works as well.
GabeTheGrouch76
Member
This could probably work as a neat spinoff to hold off from a new traditional Pikmin title...but man, the massive Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash!! vibes the gameplay is evoking doesn't look too promising.
Dangansona
Member
Yeah I like my 3DS alright but I really wish they just stopped making games for the system and held on to everything for NX at this point.
Awesome surprise!
I will say I don't think 2D can work as well for Pikmin as 3D does. But mostly because 3D just works so well. Movement speed in this also looked kinda slow.
But I really like the use of the second screen, hopefully the vertical space will allow for plenty of multitasking situations.
I will say I don't think 2D can work as well for Pikmin as 3D does. But mostly because 3D just works so well. Movement speed in this also looked kinda slow.
But I really like the use of the second screen, hopefully the vertical space will allow for plenty of multitasking situations.
It's likely not far into development. It looks pretty rough.
Already Torn
Banned
I take back my Ziplash comparisons after watching the video. Ziplash really had nothing to do with Chibi Robo, while this looks more like 2D versions of the cave segments in Pikmin 2. Still not what I wanted, but if this is a spinoff I'm actually really excited.
I didn't hate Ziplash either, it was just mediocre.
I didn't hate Ziplash either, it was just mediocre.
TheDinoman
Member
Pikmin 1 & 2 sold over a million each back on GCN. Not AAA sales but is that really selling like "hot trash"?
Dunno about Pikmin 3.
Dunno about Pikmin 3.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
It's like you haven't been following Nintendo the last several years or something.
"Sells like hot trash"
From Wikipedia:
While not absolutely stellar, it is far from hot trash.
GhostTrick
Banned
Already Torn
Banned
Pikmin 3 sold really poorly iirc (considering it's a major Miyamoto series). Although that may be less of a Pikmin problem and more of a Wii U problem.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Do you believe Happy Home Designer means there won't be another traditional Animal Crossing game and HHD is the next main game in the Animal Crossing series?
Because this is exactly the same thing, right on down to the same time frame since the last major release. And even a similar number of past games.
theSlacker
Member
Already Torn
Banned
Of course not, the next main Animal Crossing game is Animal Crossing mobile
Lightningboalt
Neo Member
Worth pointing out that Miyamoto said Pikmin 4 was very close to completion. That news was over a year ago. This game doesn't look especially close to completion, has no final name, and a placeholder date of just "2017".
Is it theoretically possible that this is the game Miyamoto was talking about? Sure, but with what little evidence we have (that Eurogamer article and this short trailer today), it looks more likely that this is a separate game.
Is it theoretically possible that this is the game Miyamoto was talking about? Sure, but with what little evidence we have (that Eurogamer article and this short trailer today), it looks more likely that this is a separate game.
Guys, they have even released the short movies to make awareness around the Pikmin brand. This is just the next step in that strategy, a spin-off filler game not to make the brand die between Pikmin 3 and Pikmin 4.
The only problem of this game is the New Island art style, I hope Arzest it's not behind it.
The only problem of this game is the New Island art style, I hope Arzest it's not behind it.
Stairouais
Member
Me too. Because it's not hard to imagine. Splatoon solo mode wasn't the main focus of the game but was still a great 3D platformer experience. It'd be easy to translate the sense of speed of movement, and the ink puzzles in 2D. Something like Velocity 2X or Dustforce would work soooo well.
I just look at Pinkmin trailer and can already see what will be the main criticisms: too easy, Too slow, Too much backtracking to unlock the secrets, ect...
Already Torn
Banned
This is what I'm thinking too. Just trying to put Pikmin on DK/Yoshi level some day. But I'm not getting y hopes up.
This is a good post. This game definitely doesn't look like a game that was almost finished over a year ago