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Platinum explains why Bayonetta 2 is a Wii U exclusive

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Man, those Bayonetta 2 threads are something else.

So much misinformation, so many prejudices and just straight up malice (the latter not that much in this particular thread compared to some of the earlier ones).


I for one am glad that Nintendo saved the project and I´ll get to play the sequel to the best action game of the 7th generation.

Sorry if this all sounds a bit like I'm port begging; I just wish both Bayonetta games would find a new audience on Wii U and having them both on there might help in getting more attention to this series as well as the Wii U (hopefully).

I don´t think this is bad or wrong at all. The game has been multiplatform to begin with and wasn´t funded by Sony or MS.....heck, port it to the PC too !
And I would love a definitive version without screen tearing and locked 60fps.
 
You understand I was sarcastic, do you?
No /s, so nope. Too many idiots on GAF, English isn't my first language and sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet anyways.

Unless I see some kind of indication (/s, an emoticon...) I'm going to assume that a post is serious.
 
I'm not trying to sound like a Negative Nancy here, but I'm actually expecting scores within this range. Often games on Nintendo platforms score lower and are more heavily scrutinized it seems, apart from the big hitters such as Mario and Zelda games perhaps.

As for Bayonetta 2: I am glad that it is being made with the help of Nintendo, but for me this game would be far more highly anticipated and appreciated if Nintendo would finance the first game being released on Wii U as well.

I always hate it when game series jump ship between platforms and I never really feel the urge to buy a second or third game in a series on a new platform, especially if I didn't have a chance to play the original. There is just something inherently satisfying to a series being complete on a single platform, and in this case the world could use a new version of Bayonetta 1 I think.

Sorry if this all sounds a bit like I'm port begging; I just wish both Bayonetta games would find a new audience on Wii U and having them both on there might help in getting more attention to this series as well as the Wii U (hopefully).

no not at all.
even if you are actually wanting this game on your console of choice instead, all your reasoning sounds completely valid and not motivated by any form of ignorant console wars.

i also hate when franchises 'jump ship' because it shits on your expectations of what you were expecting to play on that said console. i was irritated when it happened to FF & MH3 for ex - but it IS only a minor irritation; and i eventually came to terms with both. in those two situations, those franchises are more or less associated with those platforms now anyway.
 
I keep focusing on existing software versus at-present vapourware. I think this is quite apparent.

Which is you simply missing the central point here. When people are buying a system, they're buying an investment. By definition it's a bit of a gamble and prediction about the future. However, with even the most modest research, one can come to some fair conclusions about where things will go.

It makes no sense for most people to buy a system with a few Nintendo games that they may like (even though they can get better Nintendo games elsewhere on far cheaper systems and in far larger variety, including their own handheld right now - yet another conundrum for Wii U @ market) when they know it has virtually no future for third party support, and they know Nintendo's focus will remain relatively low variety in comparison to its competitors. I know people don't like to hear it, and most of my favorite games are from Nintendo, but they have been doing a piss poor job at strategy for the game releases they make for Wii U, and simply re-emphasizing over and over the same core strengths everyone already knows Nintendo has. How many colorful mascot platformers or mini-game collections and cheapware casual fare are they going to make before people realize that's the majority of what's out on the system because no one else is supporting it?

And for some that's enough. Some people that is all they need! But if you have trouble acknowledging why simply saying 'well right now Wii U has four great games and Xbox One and PS4 have maybe one at best!' (and I'd agree, by the way) isn't enough to overcome the simplicity of the stark realities of Wii U's future versus PS4/XBO and its flaws in design versus PS4/XBO then it's always going to be difficult to accept why people go this road.

Your thinking is just short term. You're basically asking people to forget the future, even when many can only buy one console for the gen. Wii U is an atrocious choice for most people in this situation.

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You speak of sales and third partys.

Other speak of great games. And the Wii U has already many great games. The Wii U will not be a "sales monster"or a third party darling. But it IS already a console with many great games. And the sales ... they will rise.

This in a nutshell is the attitude of the average Wii U aficionado, and that's why reality seems so hard to accept. It can be summed up in your central theme: "You speak of sales and third partys. Other speak of great games." The problem is you think third party games are not part of the assessment of 'great games', and that the fact Wii U has no future in third party titles is something easily dismissible. Most of the best games come from third parties! It's a simple numbers game! Additionally, sales are incredibly important to the health of your platform as a quality games machine. The greater the sales, the more rapid development that reaches the system. The greater the odds of more good games reaching the system. Again, it's a simple numbers game.

I agree, Wii U has a handful of great games. I'd say personally for me they're Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World, Zelda Wind Waker HD and New Super Luigi Bros (I haven't played Donkey Kong yet). But the problem is the sales really look to have no chance of rising significantly. Nintendo has released a major 3D Mario game, a major 2D Mario game, their traditional casual fare and on top of that Donkey Kong and Zelda and not a single one of them moved the system on to even modest sales.

What will change the trajectory? Mario Kart and Smash Bros? I wouldn't get your hopes up. As I said, Wii U is performing at an unprecedentedly poor level
 
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What will change the trajectory? Mario Kart and Smash Bros? I wouldn't get your hopes up. As I said, Wii U is performing at an unprecedentedly poor level
There's nothing that will help the Wii U at this point, even if people would be tempted to buy it based on software, everyone can see the vultures circling.

As you so rightly stated, a console purchase is typically made up of both available software, and long term viability, and even if we accept the former to be strong (and for me it's not), the latter is certainly enough to hold back lots of buyers.
 
I hate that I am posting in another Bayonetta 2 port thread, but

It seems to be if you don't want to buy the system a game is coming out on, you just don't play the game. It will be fine. The world will not end because you did not play a game. Everything will be okay.
 
I hate that I am posting in another Bayonetta 2 port thread, but

It seems to be if you don't want to buy the system a game is coming out on, you just don't play the game. It will be fine. The world will not end because you did not play a game. Everything will be okay.

Are you the guy whose tag used to be "too reasonable for this forum" or something? Because if so it is a shame that the tag has changed.
 
Wii U 1st party games >>>>>>>> XBone/PS4 library.

It's the truth that non Wii U owners don't want to admit!

I own a WiiU and I think that is bullshit.

It only applys for people who tend to gravitate towards those type of games in the first place.

For example, how can you with a straight face tell someone who plays mostly online shooters the WiiU has a better library?

Taste factors alot in this assessment.
 
Way too much fuss about this being Wii U exclusive. The first Bayo didn't sell well enough to justify a sequel, so the die hard fans who begged for one should now stfu and buy a Wii U and play the damn game, because odds of Bayo 3 ever existing are extremely low.
 
I bought Bayo 1 day 1, and I'll buy Bayo 2 day 1. I've bought all of Platinum's games day 1 except for MGR, and that's just cause I don't care for the MG franchise. Don't care what system Platinum releases their games on, I'll buy the platform and their games.
 
I bought Bayo 1 day 1, and I'll buy Bayo 2 day 1. I've bought all of Platinum's games day 1 except for MGR, and that's just cause I don't care for the MG franchise. Don't care what system Platinum releases their games on, I'll buy the platform and their games.

I might not buy the platform, but I'll definitely support the games.

That being said, I'm already considering buying a X1 just in case that rumour Platinum is developing an exclusive for the system turns out true.
 
I bought Bayo 1 day 1, and I'll buy Bayo 2 day 1. I've bought all of Platinum's games day 1 except for MGR, and that's just cause I don't care for the MG franchise. Don't care what system Platinum releases their games on, I'll buy the platform and their games.

MGR is good, you know. I'm not really a Metal Gear player, I just love good action games. You'll like MGR, it has it's own story that isn't connected to Metal Gear, as far as I can tell.
 
99% of Nintendo fans don't actually care about PG. Only reason why they care about Bayo2 is because it's a Wii U exclusive.

99% of xbox and playstation fans don't actually care about PG either ( sales prove it). Only reason they care now is because bayo 2 is a wiiu exclusive which they loathe the idea of.
 
I own a WiiU and I think that is bullshit.

It only applys for people who tend to gravitate towards those type of games in the first place.

For example, how can you with a straight face tell someone who plays mostly online shooters the WiiU has a better library?

Taste factors alot in this assessment.

Not the best example to use.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PS4, Xbox One and Wii U all have CoD Ghosts. PS4 & Xbox One have Battlefield 4. PS4 has Killzone. Wii U has CoD Black Ops 2. Anything else I'm missing?
 
If only Nintendo bought Valkyria Chronicles... :(

Hey Ninty, get Valkyria Chronicles, Binary Domain, Space Channel 5 + Yakuza from Sega. Sega definitely doesn't seem to care about the first 3 anymore. And didn't the latest Yakuza sell like crap?

Wait, why not just buy Sega and make everything exclusive :P :P :P
 
Not the best example to use.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PS4, Xbox One and Wii U all have CoD Ghosts. PS4 & Xbox One have Battlefield 4. PS4 has Killzone. Wii U has CoD Black Ops 2. Anything else I'm missing?
Firstly, two CoDs isn't equal to the latest CoD and BF, given player migration, secondly, the Wii U version pale in comparison, thirdly, the online player base gulf is absurd, fourthly, the online infrastructure isn't comparable, fifth, the PS4 and XBO will be even more viable in November, and the Wii U will be less so.

Nobody with even the slightest shred of intelligence would buy a Wii U as their shooter console.
 
Firstly, two CoDs isn't equal to the latest CoD and BF, given player migration, secondly, the Wii U version pale in comparison, thirdly, the online player base gulf is absurd, fourthly, the online infrastructure isn't comparable, fifth, the PS4 and XBO will be even more viable in November, and the Wii U will be less so.

Nobody with even the slightest shred of intelligence would buy a Wii U as their shooter console.

I'm only speaking about the present and what we have now today. The point being made was about the current size of the online shooter library. Right now, it's about two to three games each. Wii U/PS4/Xbox One. I accept your points and this will be completely different this time next year.
 
I'm only speaking about the present and what we have now today.
Right, but that's absurd isn't it? Because most people don't buy consoles based exclusively on what they currently have (and even if they did, PS4/XBO outclasses the Wii U for competitive FPSs), they also base it on what's to come, and the viability of the platform.
 
I think they expected Wii U would be a succes. I think they now regret this
Who regrets what?
Platinum regrets being able to actually make a game they wanted to? Doubtful.
Nintendo regrets funding this game? Also doubtful.
The only people that should regret anything are the console fanboys that deny themselves this game.
 
Who regrets what?
Platinum regrets being able to actually make a game they wanted to? Doubtful.
Nintendo regrets funding this game? Also doubtful.
The only people that should regret anything are the console fanboys that deny themselves this game.
Why is it doubtful Nintendo regrets it? It cost them money, it almost certainly won't make them money, they're not a charity.
 
Why is it doubtful Nintendo regrets it? It cost them money, it almost certainly won't make them money, they're not a charity.
If they regret it they could always pull the plug. This isn't the first or last time Nintendo has published a game that was an obvious bomb.
They aren't a charity but they also don't seem to mind making weird decisions like this. Even if the WiiU was a huge success like the Wii was, this game probably wouldn't have made a full return on investment.
 
I imagine that, even if Nintendo didn't foresee Bayonetta 2 selling gangbusters, they at least hoped it would court a particular audience that isn't traditionally drawn to Nintendo consoles. Trying to make in-roads to the hardcore after the Wii, that kind of thing. But, then, they also clearly thought they were going to sell a whole bunch of Wii Us; Nintendo hasn't exactly been great at making predictions, the past few years :P

I'm just glad they didn't pull the plug, and I imagine Bayonetta 2's past the point of no return at this point.
 
Why is it doubtful Nintendo regrets it? It cost them money, it almost certainly won't make them money, they're not a charity.
Not everything is short-term and direct. I mean Nintendo has been taking hits left and right, probably don't mind too much that one of them is about getting a notable game on the sparse list of games to come for their current home console. At the same time, it's not guaranteed that the project itself can't turn a profit, and Nintendo is not in a position in which they can afford not to take some risks.
 
there's no need to justify anything. It is an exclusive and that's all, no matter if funded by nintendo or they 'bought' the exclusive. This is how this industry works. It happens all the time.
 
Firstly, two CoDs isn't equal to the latest CoD and BF, given player migration, secondly, the Wii U version pale in comparison, thirdly, the online player base gulf is absurd, fourthly, the online infrastructure isn't comparable, fifth, the PS4 and XBO will be even more viable in November, and the Wii U will be less so.

Nobody with even the slightest shred of intelligence would buy a Wii U as their shooter console.

Aren't 1 and 3 the same point?
And its free to play online on the Wii U.
I hate dual analogue controls, so despite lower visuals, I'll gladly prefer the one that provides a more immersive and accurate simulation that allows me to actually aim my gun rather than play a game that has to use auto aim to make it enjoyable for most people.

But I know I'm in the minority. In my head, its kinda like cars (when it comes to FPS). I got two models that do essentially the same thing. One has a sweet exterior and a really nice dashboard and upholstery. Everyone else wants it too. The other one looks pretty good, but not as good, but handles way better. Oh, but they both go the same speed (since speed equates to how the game actually plays).
But no one wants this version since it doesn't look as pretty on the outside so people think it goes slower. You don't pick up girls driving this car.

Then again, you don't pick up girls playing CoD.
 
Hey Ninty, get Valkyria Chronicles, Binary Domain, Space Channel 5 + Yakuza from Sega. Sega definitely doesn't seem to care about the first 3 anymore. And didn't the latest Yakuza sell like crap?

Wait, why not just buy Sega and make everything exclusive :P :P :P

Europe would declare war to Japan if the next Football Manager was a WiiU exclusive.
 
Europe would declare war to Japan if the next Football Manager was a WiiU exclusive.

Probably not far from the truth. Nintendo could buy Sega, Konami, Capcom or Rockstar games, and it would do nothing for Nintendo when ppl rather stop playing the games they love then buy a Nintendo console.
 
alot of thinking im seeing

"I dont want to buy a Wii U, it doesn't have any games I want Ill get one eventually when there are games Im interested in"

" I really want to play Bayo2 but I dont want to buy a Wii U to play it "

"This game will suck because I cant play it, It might as well be dead to me, yet Ill bitch about it"

this thinking is why we cant have nice things...
 
I have this theory that says that everyone who is a P* fan already owns a Wii U and everyone who is a Bayo fan either owns a Wii U or will own one when Bayo 2 is out.
This is not to piss people off with true fans / not true fans arguments, or to be a dick in the internet, pointing fingers around or anything. In my humble opinion it is just 100% true and that's that and i can't even think it's otherwise.
People say 'the P* fanbase this' and 'the Bayo fanbase that' but want it or not, in many examples that are heavily used to imply that Bayo 2 will bomb on the Wii U, the actual data concerning the fanbase use diluted sales numbers. What do i mean? Please bear with me.
The titles that are used to show that P* has a larger userbase than W101 sales imply are the obvious 2, Bayo and MGR:R.
While someone must be blind to not understand that MGR:R numbers are diluted by MGS userbase, the situation with Bayo is even sneakier.
Bayo was sold as a Kamiya game, the latest action game from the creator of DMC, in 2 platforms with insane userbase combined and all that at a time when the differences between the 2 builds were not known.
I personally bought it on PS3 back then, and then i had to buy it on XBOX360 to play it and even had to buy an XBOX360 for it. I know 5 people, personally, that have and like Bayo and all of them have at least 2 copies of the game. 2 of us 6, me included have 3 copies and if you check online most people will tell you that they own 2 or more copies of Bayo.
Add into that many people that indifferently enjoyed DMC and said they'd give this one a try and so on and we are talking about a userbase definitely smaller than 1mil and maybe even 600k.
MGR:R. and Bayo numbers do not represent the P* fanbase, unfortunately, for what gaming has become now, Max Anarchy, Vanquish, Madworld and W101 represent that fanbase. Bayo 2 will indeed bomb not because it's on Wii U, but because, like W101, it will sell to P* fans only, not MGS fans and certainly not impulse buyers.
I'm just happy that games like these are still being made, and i'm happy that there is one publisher that has the balls and this oldschool mentality of funding wacky games like this, or W101, or Sin and Punishment in this age.
As for the haters, the only thing that saddens me is that i have seen people posting the usual port begging / hate speech on bayo threads and posting that they've never played the game on others. I am a gamer, not a paperweight collector, i buy consoles to play games on them, if i care about a game, i buy the platform that plays it, and if i like multiple games on multiple platforms i buy whatever is needed to play the software i want and before someone points it out, i probably get paid less than any of you. What i mean is, if you like Bayo, then you need a Wii U, not only because Bayo 2 is exclusive to it but because art-direction aside W101 is an ever better game. If you don't like Bayo at all, then you can post your console war hate speech somewhere else.
 
Sweet Fancy Moses are we still having this argument? If you wanna play B2, then buy a Wii-U. There are plenty of other good games out on that thing and it's by far the cheapest console this gen. If a console has a game you wanna play, that means you go out and buy that console. Sheesh, that's how we used to decide what consoles we bought, not the resolution or shit like that. (Besides, if you really care about graphics what the hell are you doing playing on a console in the first place?)
 
Wasn't this made clear the same day the game was announced?

I don't mean to sound like I have superiority complex or anything. But the fact that a lot of people fail to understand why Bayonetta 2 is a WiiU exclusive when the reason behind that has been said over and over again ever since the announcement does not make a good case for the average intelligence of gamers



None?

It's not like they where making the game for PS3/360 and then Nintendo came with a giant bag of money asking them to make it a WiiU exclusive.

I thought if I added that face in the spoiler people would understand :/
 
alot of thinking im seeing

"I dont want to buy a Wii U, it doesn't have any games I want Ill get one eventually when there are games Im interested in"

" I really want to play Bayo2 but I dont want to buy a Wii U to play it "

"This game will suck because I cant play it, It might as well be dead to me, yet Ill bitch about it"

this thinking is why we cant have nice things...

The first two quote examples are representative of my thinking. The third is not.

It's great that the game is being made. Even though I'm not going to waste my money on a console for just a couple of games, I'm not selfish enough to think that if I can't have it-- nobody can. I've missed out on exclusives in my past because I can't justify the high price of admission for hardware that I don't necessarily want. This is no different.

But if "we can't have nice things" because I won't throw my money away on a console to play an exclusive, then so be it. For me, if I'm gonna spend $300, there needs to be definitive present and future value... and for the WiiU, I don't see either.
 
I might not buy the platform, but I'll definitely support the games.

That being said, I'm already considering buying a X1 just in case that rumour Platinum is developing an exclusive for the system turns out true.
You're not alone, I also did buy an Xbox 360 for Tales of Vesperia.
But people don't buy console for one game, blablabla :p
 
Not the best example to use.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but PS4, Xbox One and Wii U all have CoD Ghosts. PS4 & Xbox One have Battlefield 4. PS4 has Killzone. Wii U has CoD Black Ops 2. Anything else I'm missing?
Actually, it was the best example, he is just wrong. The wii u has an incredible library compared to ps4/xbox1 so that is the best example possible. The only taste involved is seeing what you wanted to see.

I don't know anything about bayonetta. I can't believe people who care about it would do anything but Thank Nintendo in these threads. It's rare there is such a clear cut case of awesome decisions.
 
Actually, it was the best example, he is just wrong. The wii u has an incredible library compared to ps4/xbox1 so that is the best example possible. The only taste involved is seeing what you wanted to see.

I love my wii u, but it has a much better library now because it has had a year start. The wii u doesn't have much but what it does have is VERY good.
 
The first two quote examples are representative of my thinking. The third is not.

It's great that the game is being made. Even though I'm not going to waste my money on a console for just a couple of games, I'm not selfish enough to think that if I can't have it-- nobody can.

You know that you can buy a console and a game, play it and then sell everything on ebay afterwards?

I did exactly that for MGS4.
I was severely disappointed
 
You know that you can buy a console and a game, play it and then sell everything on ebay afterwards?

I did exactly that for MGS4.
I was severely disappointed

While I didn't sell my PS3, I bought it for MGS4 and feel the same way. Most disappointing game of all time for me.
 
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