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Playstation Move Thread: It Only Does Everything
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cakefoo said:
No, you're just making your own excuses for the problems, whereas I have no tolerance for retarded bullshit just to get my games to work.
There's no pity involved at all. This is just the next in a long line of motion control technology that has a billion functional problems, and it neither surprises me nor amuses me. It simply is what it is, and the problem I have is that there seems to be a wide range of people incapable of acknowledging that the problem exists for many people even while simultaneously admitting the problem exists as you just did.
Even people who LOVE the device have often claimed that they've had to go through this hoop or another to get the ideal set up.
The difference is those who like the device say that whatever headache is "worth it" in order to play these "amazing" (LOL) games, and I don't. I think the headaches aren't worth shit for what we're getting,.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Always amazing how things don't work for the crankiest people on GAF. It's like double bad when it happens and it happens all the time. :lol
Ami, I think sports champions has some expectation of height and that's why it's not registering your nieces shoulder. She should just always point it higher than prompted (like above shoulder instead of shoulder) Hell, you can calibrate it for her using your height and I'm pretty sure it will work. I calibrated table tennis when I was standing and then played it while sitting with no problems. The game seems very forgiving when it comes to this.
Ami, I think sports champions has some expectation of height and that's why it's not registering your nieces shoulder. She should just always point it higher than prompted (like above shoulder instead of shoulder) Hell, you can calibrate it for her using your height and I'm pretty sure it will work. I calibrated table tennis when I was standing and then played it while sitting with no problems. The game seems very forgiving when it comes to this.
Lord Error said:
Oh, now there is an expectation of height too? Good to add that to the list of five billion problems and barriers of entry I should expect.
Guys, there is a simple point underneath all this bullshit. Without even realizing it, the biggest supporters of MOVE in this thread keep confirming my point over and over and over again.
The point is this:
Amir0x said:
Every single move supporter in this thread has fired off a list of different ways the game "should work" in the "ideal" conditions. They acknowledged that they themselves have had to try to jump through hoops to get it to work. They've acknowledged a virtual laundry list of proper set up to hit the right "window" of functionality.
What they can't seem to bring to its logical conclusion is the very idea that this retarded list of shit one must do to hit the proper functionality is the very thing that puts us motion controller detractors off in the first place.
Why would I take a billion step backs when I have alternative control methods that require no headaches at all?
This is the point of all my posts summarized succinctly. It's not difficult to understand, and most of the MOVE supporters have confirmed it without even meaning to do so.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Gotta say I love playing RUSE with the Move and Nav combo. Much better than the DS3.
Amir0x said:
Then just use the other controller. We get it, you don't like the device as you think it is too much trouble for what it's worth. That's alright, some people like it, some people don't, that's a fact of life and it is okay. What is not okay is that some people thought that you had some trouble and tried to help, but you just blew them off. Why so much agony for something you don't even like? Just sell it and enjoy whatever you were enjoying in the first place rather than stir shit for people who didn't encounter the problems that you did and were sincerely trying to help you.
bobbytkc said:
We all get it. Negativity is not going to be stifled, nor is positivity. Nobody stops anyone from splurging their load over it a billion times, nor are we going to censor someone who wants to be negative about it a billion times.
And as I already said, I will end up selling it, as soon as I play the game I purchased the device for in the first place. That's still a little whiles away.
Immersion is not about doing as little as possible. I can go outside and go pew-pew wigth my hand and play gun fights. I can also drive to a location, put on a ton gear and watch a safety video and play paint ball. One is much more immersive, yet a pain.
So I have to lower my camera to about 18" and roll the dark carpet back for my kids to play EyePet, but they then can have tons of fun with their pets. My six year old has been drawing pictures with her pet for 45 minutes, it's really cool. My four year old loves V-ball and Disc golf, the calibration works fine for his height.
If the Move really isn't worth the hassle then returning or selling is the best bet. Games are not supposed to be stressful.
So I have to lower my camera to about 18" and roll the dark carpet back for my kids to play EyePet, but they then can have tons of fun with their pets. My six year old has been drawing pictures with her pet for 45 minutes, it's really cool. My four year old loves V-ball and Disc golf, the calibration works fine for his height.
If the Move really isn't worth the hassle then returning or selling is the best bet. Games are not supposed to be stressful.
learnedhand
Member
bobbytkc said:
I think this is great advice.
beast786 said:
of course. Even if they refuse to admit it now, I've read over many comments in this topic - including from MOVE supporters, who have a veritable laundry list of "settings" you need to have the system work "ideally." Even certain MOVE supporters have stated they've had to jump through this hoop or that hoop to get the system to work what they feel is optimally.
Their conclusion is the only difference. They think the headache is worth it.
Amirox - I'm not trying to be rude, or insulting, but why are you being so insulting to everyone? It seems a bit over the top to go after people like we're idiots because we understand the limits of technology, and are simply willing to not care because we enjoy the experience it provides us.
I mean, I totally get your stance man, and I think you have every right to feel the way you do, it's your opinion. However, I don't think we should be slinging insults or accusations (one way or the other, to people calling out Amirox) just for the sake of 'proving our point'.
It doesn't help your cause of 'objectivity' to walk around calling people fanboys, or insinuating that people who enjoy Move for what it is without complaining 'sheep'. It paints you in a rather negative light as well, and makes it rather easy to simply write off your posts and thoughts all together as a jaded gamer who simply 'doesn't get' motion control (which obviously isn't true, but it's not difficult to come to that conclusion from your posts in this thread).
So, now that my attempt to get us all to hold hands nicely is done, I've got some thoughts of my own!
I really hope that someone down the line can improve the implementation for first person shooters. I think I find my biggest problem simply is having to point the controller at the "deadzone" all the time to stay centered and keep my POV the same. I just don't think we have that "solution" yet to make a first person shooter a truly enjoyable experience.
3rd Person shooters are a different story, and I really REALLY think that RE5 has the right idea, by always keeping your POV the same, and simply limiting where you can aim to that POV. Removing the bounding box all together is a great idea, and mapping all movement to the right stick works well. The only problem introduced here is that it forces the camera to remain behind you at all times (which makes it difficult to move from cover to cover, etc).
So, I think for shooters we still have a ways to go (or maybe we'll never get there). Who knows.
My biggest hope for Move isn't for shooters, it's for 'other' games. I want to see more unique experiences that give me something new, most notably in the puzzle genre. I think there is a lot of potential here to be had for puzzle games, and I hope we get something really awesome really soon.
I mean, I totally get your stance man, and I think you have every right to feel the way you do, it's your opinion. However, I don't think we should be slinging insults or accusations (one way or the other, to people calling out Amirox) just for the sake of 'proving our point'.
It doesn't help your cause of 'objectivity' to walk around calling people fanboys, or insinuating that people who enjoy Move for what it is without complaining 'sheep'. It paints you in a rather negative light as well, and makes it rather easy to simply write off your posts and thoughts all together as a jaded gamer who simply 'doesn't get' motion control (which obviously isn't true, but it's not difficult to come to that conclusion from your posts in this thread).
So, now that my attempt to get us all to hold hands nicely is done, I've got some thoughts of my own!
I really hope that someone down the line can improve the implementation for first person shooters. I think I find my biggest problem simply is having to point the controller at the "deadzone" all the time to stay centered and keep my POV the same. I just don't think we have that "solution" yet to make a first person shooter a truly enjoyable experience.
3rd Person shooters are a different story, and I really REALLY think that RE5 has the right idea, by always keeping your POV the same, and simply limiting where you can aim to that POV. Removing the bounding box all together is a great idea, and mapping all movement to the right stick works well. The only problem introduced here is that it forces the camera to remain behind you at all times (which makes it difficult to move from cover to cover, etc).
So, I think for shooters we still have a ways to go (or maybe we'll never get there). Who knows.
My biggest hope for Move isn't for shooters, it's for 'other' games. I want to see more unique experiences that give me something new, most notably in the puzzle genre. I think there is a lot of potential here to be had for puzzle games, and I hope we get something really awesome really soon.
MrPliskin said:
If I'm going to insult you, I'll insult you. I'm simply being short with people who refuse to read the entire story, wasting my time with this or that when it's already been covered.
MrPliskin said:
Not one insult has been flinged. Jax has been called a fanboy because he factually is, and his opinion means zero. I wanted him to avoid wasting his time responding to my points, because his opinions have no value.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
My tv is less than 2.5 meters away from me, it's very close to a window in my room that has no blinds therefore the lighting is pretty terrible during the day, and I can play sports champions perfectly along with other games. Hell I beat the gold cup in gladiator sitting down. I beat almost all of archery sitting down. Never had an issue calibrating or anything.
I was kind of worried I'd have issues in my room because of the distance and the window thing but all is well and I am the happiezz.
I was kind of worried I'd have issues in my room because of the distance and the window thing but all is well and I am the happiezz.
Amir0x said:
Nobody is stifling anything. You have a hundred posts and you have maybe 10 that was negative. That's not stifling, it just meant that more people like it that those that do not, and you have to accept it. What you should have done is to just made your voice heard and left it there. Others are going to do the same, it is nothing personal. This is a forum after all.
Most importantly, stay classy. Cakefoo and others was trying to help and you just berated him for pretty much nothing. Some people just don't have the same issues as you, so they mention that, so what. No problem with that. I personally never had any issue with the device, are you going to harass me because I experienced no problems?
bobbytkc said:
I will leave it there when the conversation itself has left. Clearly, it has not. People on both sides of the fence are still responding.
bobbytkc said:
I have no patience for people who don't read. Sorry. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand through the process.
Shurs said:
Get the PsEye TV Clip by PDP. I got mine yesterday and it's awesome. 12.99 on amazon (but backordered) and it's 14.99 at GS. I highly suggest to get this for anyone with a flatscreen. It's adjustable and it has cushions on it so there shouldn't be any way for it to scratch the surface on your TV anywhere.
Here's the amazon page:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003URSUSE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Amir0x said:
but i'm not. It just suits you to call me a fanboy
I don't enjoy Resistance 2 because its a bad game
I couldn't play through R+C CIT because it had pixellation vfx issues
I don't rate LBP as a great game
Your opinions have no value.
If you can't even get something that's widely established as easy to setup, good fun.. you really should just sell the MOVE because you're not interested in solving the issue, you're interested in moaning about it. As much as you can.
I'm only trying to help you save time, Jax. As you can see, I'm responding to a wide range of people with different opinions than me, with huge, detailed posts. I don't value your specific opinion because you are a fanboy. I don't throw out the accusation emptily, it is your accumulated posting history that suggests this and anyone even mildly familiar with your posting habits will know this as an absolute truth.
Now, again, you're only wasting your time responding to anything I say. You're entitled to that, but it was just for your own good. I do not value fanboy opinions.
:lol
I don't join any conversation I don't want to participate in. This conversation is more entertaining than any MOVE game so far. I get to learn different perspectives, try to grasp how people can think this or that, and I get a little value back for what the device has given me.
I am going to respond back because I want to.
Trust me, nothing here is ruining my day. It's been a fun morning.
Now, again, you're only wasting your time responding to anything I say. You're entitled to that, but it was just for your own good. I do not value fanboy opinions.
bobbytkc said:
:lol
I don't join any conversation I don't want to participate in. This conversation is more entertaining than any MOVE game so far. I get to learn different perspectives, try to grasp how people can think this or that, and I get a little value back for what the device has given me.
I am going to respond back because I want to.
Trust me, nothing here is ruining my day. It's been a fun morning.
Amir0x said:
Bullshit, if YOU are having problems with it don't try to make it look like we all are and we just don't care about them, like i said i had zero issues from day one, i just unboxed evrything, put the camera on top of my TV and that was it. I had no problem calibrating it for my 4 year old son to play Gladiator duel and i have videos to prove it(not here but on my wifes iphone, will post later if necessary). I've had the thing for a week and not once, ONCE have i had any of the issues you mention, so either i got a magical perfectly working version of Move or you just love to hate motion stuff or are too dumb to properly set up the whole thing. Sorry dude but you come off like a crying baby complaining as much as you do and trying to crap on everyone elses experience, if it's not fun for you just sell it or let it collect dust and stop shitting on this thread and move on. You're not going to convince those like me who've had nothing but possitives things to say about it that somehow it is shitty technology just like we probably wont convince you otherwise.
Just move on please and let us have our little masturbatory party like you so objectively put it.
Edit: I'm gonna take pics of my set up later once i get home and post them here with measures and shit as well as the video of my four year old son playing, i'm going to try and record the calibration process for him too.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Big B said:
I thought the demo was 'okay'. Would I buy it? No. I'd take it if I was given it though. It really should be a PSN game.
As a lurker I just had to say it would be nice to not have to wade through all this pissing and moaning to try and find constructive stuff like impressions of the games that got recently patched for move, Planet Minigolf for example. It sucks its not working for everyone but it sucks more to have to slog through all this party pooping crap for us that are actually interested in and enjoying the device.
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
There's a lot of
and Ami going all
You guys really need to chill the fuck out. This is going nowhere.
and Ami going all
You guys really need to chill the fuck out. This is going nowhere.
alterno69 said:
No no no no no no no!
You will not change Amir0x's mind about this. I know this because I've been involved with discussions with him before. He has his own opinion, and it's certainly valid and has a place in this thread. But if everyone tries to argue their own opinion with evidence like videos and such, it's not going to matter. It's only going to make this discussion worse.
Please, can we just move on from here and have a regular discussion like we did? The Heavy Rain thread went to the crapper for the exact same reasons as what's happening now. Please, for gawds sakes, accept his opinion and move on.
And Amir0x, it would help if you don't stoke the flames by calling people out. Post all the impressions you want, but all this banter towards some people you're doing is only making it worse.
alterno69 said:
I'm gonna keep sharing my opinions, same as everyone else.
word of warning: if I see the shit like the bolded again, you'll be enjoying the MOVE off of GAF.
chubigans said:
Like any discussion, I'm going to participate in the discussion. As people bring up their own points, I feel compelled to respond, and vice versa. The only people I was trying to save the trouble of wasting time were the fanboys.
StealthGoblin
Banned
dallow_bg said:
Trade it in and buy Tumble and Under Siege (when its released) from PSN. That would be win.
learnedhand
Member
chubigans said:
I would never try to change someone's opinion of a game they don't like. Just don't act like I'm an idiot for liking it. I fucking hate condescending attitudes. And don't even pretend to understand my motives for liking a game. You don't know, and it makes you look stupid.
chubigans said:
Of course i'm not trying to change his mind, i only want to prove that not EVERYONE has had issues with the technology, i really i can't believe i've had such a hassle free experience this past week after some of the issues he's reporting. I just want to make it clear that it's not black or white as Amorix is trying to paint the picture, just because he's not sold on this type of technology it doesn't mean we all have to dismiss it.
Amir0x said:
wait a minute, you appear to be the ONLY one on that side of the fence though. You keep saying "clearly a ton of supporters are having problems". Maybe they are and I've missed it, but the overwhelming majority have had no problems. Like I said I personally can account for 3 different settings, and setting the camera up in all different places, let alone my friends who have it and also have had 0 problems with it. You MUST be doing something wrong... you have to be unless the hardware is broken on you. Seriously return it or something, I just don't think there's any way you should be having these problems.
The one game where Amir0x is right is EyePet, the AR part doesn't work as it should and quickly shows the AR technology limitation. it remains cute but I'm pretty sure Natal games in this genre will be much better.
Apart from that, I don't understand what he is saying. I want my maracas for Samba de Amigo, my wheel for GT5, or my Move for Tumble. You know, play games the way they are supposed to be played, to get the real, immersive experience
Apart from that, I don't understand what he is saying. I want my maracas for Samba de Amigo, my wheel for GT5, or my Move for Tumble. You know, play games the way they are supposed to be played, to get the real, immersive experience
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