NoKisum
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Has a Pokémon ever wildly change types completely after evolution?
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Pokemon that are the wrong type
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Has a Pokémon ever wildly change types completely after evolution?
The only ones I really wish would change are some of the gen 1 ones mentioned. As I feel like quite a few were mistyped (Charizard, Gyrados, Gengar etc) due to game balance reasons surrounding dual-typing that just aren't a huge issue nowadays. For the rest of them post-gen 1, some of them might be very strange but I accept that Game Freak had their reasons.
Charizard used to bother me the most (As a child, I was promised a dragon by the box art. Where are my dragons?!) but now Lugia does. Anything but psychic / flying would make sense.
Some of them really do throw me while I'm playing the game. Every time I see Milotic, I think 'Damn, why can't I remember its second type?' Every time. It just amazes me it doesn't have one. I'd accept Water / Fairy at this point.
Charizard used to bother me the most (As a child, I was promised a dragon by the box art. Where are my dragons?!) but now Lugia does. Anything but psychic / flying would make sense.
Some of them really do throw me while I'm playing the game. Every time I see Milotic, I think 'Damn, why can't I remember its second type?' Every time. It just amazes me it doesn't have one. I'd accept Water / Fairy at this point.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I dunno, I think a Pokemon's type always being tied to their habitat is sort of boring. Lugia lives under the sea, sure, but that doesn't mean he HAS to be a water type.
I think there's a bunch of Pokemon that should be Fairy at this point. Jirachi sticks out as the main one. edit: And definitely Cresselia.
I think there's a bunch of Pokemon that should be Fairy at this point. Jirachi sticks out as the main one. edit: And definitely Cresselia.
I think Lugia's problem isn't necessarily that it SHOULD be a water type, but rather that it has no reason to be a psychic one.
Spacejaws
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Gengar has always annoyed me.
Seriously gimped the only Ghost pokemon chain in Gen 1.
Lugia pissed me off too. Ho-Oh - Fire/Flying it made sense to me the Lugia would either be Water/Flying or Water/Dragon just for the uniformity between the two legendaries along with the appearance, locale and general portrayal in the game/anime.
I always gathered they must have changed it to avoid one legendary having an advantage over the other but having it psychic is a bit random.
Seriously gimped the only Ghost pokemon chain in Gen 1.
Lugia pissed me off too. Ho-Oh - Fire/Flying it made sense to me the Lugia would either be Water/Flying or Water/Dragon just for the uniformity between the two legendaries along with the appearance, locale and general portrayal in the game/anime.
I always gathered they must have changed it to avoid one legendary having an advantage over the other but having it psychic is a bit random.
MegamanPoweredUP
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I lost hope with Pokemon types long ago.
I just wish for a reboot.
I just wish for a reboot.
Beyonce Beytwice
Member
LOL, it's been OU from gen I and is currently among the top 5 best Pokémon in the entire game.
Tons. Swablu is the most egregious example. Starts as Normal/Flying and ends as Dragon/Fairy by the time it's completely done.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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While Charizard not being a Dragon-type despite being literally a dragon is fairly bad, his actual Fire/Flying typing still makes a lot of sense for the design and moveset, so it's fine as far as I'm concerned.
Gyarados will always and forever be the worst one, because he's also a literal dragon who got stuck with Flying instead, yet he can't even learn Fly. Or any Flying move other than Bounce for that matter, the "Fly" alternative literally designed for non-Flying-type Pokémon. And ONLY through a move tutor. What the fuck.
That Water/Flying typing just serves to fuck it over against Electric types.
Gyarados will always and forever be the worst one, because he's also a literal dragon who got stuck with Flying instead, yet he can't even learn Fly. Or any Flying move other than Bounce for that matter, the "Fly" alternative literally designed for non-Flying-type Pokémon. And ONLY through a move tutor. What the fuck.
That Water/Flying typing just serves to fuck it over against Electric types.
Ultimadrago
Member
This.
Diablohead
Member
charazard is a gen1 so I let him slide, he is bad ass enough already.
Beyonce Beytwice
Member
They threw that rule out the window this gen since both Charizard and Sceptile Mega Evolve into dragons now.
Spacejaws
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I think my anger is directed at it being the only ghost pokemon in Gen 1 and I loved it but damn I spent ages training one after a friend told me as a kid ghost was the best type against psychic only to find it got its bumbaclot handed to it by psychics.
It's a deep seated resentment that only a trained proffesional can help me with.
balladofwindfishes
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A lot of the Gen 1 oddities are because of the extremely limited move pool.
Gyrados as Water/Dragon for example, would have had no weaknesses as there was only one Dragon move, Dragon Rage, and it had a set damage value that ignores weakness.
A bit less so with Charizard, because Rock Slide existed, and Golem and Rhydon were decent Pokemon, but a Fire/Flying starter would be much better than the other two.
However, one Pokemon from Gen 1 always bothered me. Blastoise should have been changed to Water/Steel when Gen 2 came out. It bothers me that Venusaur and Charizard are dual types, but Blastoise is not.
Everything was destroyed by Psychics in Gen 1. Specifically Alakazam, who is hilariously overpowered. And that's not even mentioning Mewtwo. Gen 1 Mewtwo was probably the strongest Pokemon the series has ever had until Gamefreak got high on some wack stuff and invented Mega Rayquaza.
Gyrados as Water/Dragon for example, would have had no weaknesses as there was only one Dragon move, Dragon Rage, and it had a set damage value that ignores weakness.
A bit less so with Charizard, because Rock Slide existed, and Golem and Rhydon were decent Pokemon, but a Fire/Flying starter would be much better than the other two.
However, one Pokemon from Gen 1 always bothered me. Blastoise should have been changed to Water/Steel when Gen 2 came out. It bothers me that Venusaur and Charizard are dual types, but Blastoise is not.
Everything was destroyed by Psychics in Gen 1. Specifically Alakazam, who is hilariously overpowered. And that's not even mentioning Mewtwo. Gen 1 Mewtwo was probably the strongest Pokemon the series has ever had until Gamefreak got high on some wack stuff and invented Mega Rayquaza.
I always felt like Phanphy should be part normal
And with this scene from the anime
I feel Dunsparce should part flying or something now
"Fuck this shit. I'm out." -.gif
Beyonce Beytwice
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If Charizard had been Fire/Dragon in gen I it wouldn't just have been weak to Rock but also to Ground attacks like Earthquake, since abilities didn't exist yet so they couldn't have given it Levitate for example.
chaobreaker
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Most of these weird typing issues wouldn't be a thing if flying wasn't a type and was more of a flag on a Pokemon. Basically any Pokemon that can fly is flagged as being a flying Pokemon will get all the pros and cons of being a flying type Pokemon whilst still having any 2 types they could have.
Tyraniboah
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I once read that the dark type in Japan represents fighting dirty (think about the moves...sucker punch, crunch, bite, pursuit, beat up) and not necessarily evil. Part of why fighting beats dark is because it's meant to represent that fighting with honor will defeat those that fight dirty. So in that context the appearance of "evil" does not amount to dark. Might also be why we will never get a light type lol....though something like sound would be pretty neat.
Anyway, I do wonder why the Goodra line isn't part poison...would make me actually use it too.
Anyway, I do wonder why the Goodra line isn't part poison...would make me actually use it too.
Beyonce Beytwice
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Dark is literally called the Evil type in Japan
Tyraniboah
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Guess what I read was wrong then lol.
Candescence
Member
This is probably the one line where they really should have broken the "fossil Pokemon = rock type lol" trend. Aside from Rock/Ice being a horrific combination that kills its competitive potential most of the time, it doesn't even make sense. They really should be Ice/Steel instead.
Beyonce Beytwice
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Ice/Steel is still horrible, 4x weak to both Fighting and Fire
My contributions.
Ice/Dark
I sooooo agree with this. Especially when you consider froslass this would have made a nice contrast. Glalie is scary as hell
There's a reason Charizard and Sceptile aren't dragons. Everyone would choose that starter if the final evolution was freaking Dragon.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I have this theory that the "rock" type in fossil Pokemon is a side effect of resurrecting them.
Like Aerodactyl in ancient times was Flying/Dragon, but when he was rebord, he lost his Dragon type and it was replaced with Rock as a side effect of the process.
Aerodactyl - Dragon/Flying
Kabuto - Bug/Water
Omanyte - Water
Lileep - Grass/Water
Anorith - Bug/Water
Cranidos - Normal
Sheildon - Steel
Tirtouga - Water
Archen - Normal/Flying
Tyrunt - Dragon
Amaura - Ice/Fairy
Candescence
Member
But then you get nine resistances as a trade-off, and only one regular weakness. It's a huge improvement over Rock/Ice, at least.
Eh, still seems like a major cop-out to me.
NoKisum
Member
Excluding Mega Evolutions I mean.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
What's Steel about it, exactly? The diamonds?
Beelzebufo
Banned
It always bothered me that Suicune was water type.
JimmyJones
Banned
Damn I never noticed that before.
balladofwindfishes
Member
It's always shown using Ice Beam and Aurora Beam.
But the Celebi movie shows it more as a water type.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I wouldn't because I want to beat Brock easily.
anotherVegan
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Flygon the thread. It has wings and it floats in battle.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Flygon is better off how he is now. He gets all the benefits of being a Flying type without a Rock weakness.
Dusk Soldier
Member
Rock/Ice sucks defensively but it's really good offensive typing. Almost half the pokemon in existence are weak to this combo.
It just too bad they didn't balance Aurorus's stats to take advantage of it's offensive typing.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Because he's dragon type instead lol. If anything he should really have a bug type in there somewhere I guess, but they decided to be kind to dear flygon.
entremet
Member
But that 4x fighting weakness doe
balladofwindfishes
Member
Why do they keep making defensive based Pokemon that are Rock/Steel?
That is some garbage defensive typing right there.
That is some garbage defensive typing right there.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Gyrados typing is actually really good, though. It loses a weakness, gains a resistance, and gains an immunity on top of Water being one of the better defensive types. Even if it gains a 4X weakness. Mega Gyrados, though, loses all of those and gains one of the WORST defensive typings. Why
Flygon is Ground because they were already numerous Dragon/ Flying (Dragonite, then both Salamence and Altaria had that typing and were introduced the same gen as Flygon). Since it has the Levitate ability, it seems like they were going for a pseudo triple-type Pokemon.
Because obviously the most prominent offensive Pokemon are Normal and Ice types, right? RIGHT?
Flygon is Ground because they were already numerous Dragon/ Flying (Dragonite, then both Salamence and Altaria had that typing and were introduced the same gen as Flygon). Since it has the Levitate ability, it seems like they were going for a pseudo triple-type Pokemon.
Because obviously the most prominent offensive Pokemon are Normal and Ice types, right? RIGHT?
Yet the obvious bug looking dragon can't learn quiver dance.Game freak please...
Gengar has been OU since gen 1.
Attleborotaco
Member
Yes this. My favorite Pokemon.
Well, Flygon develops from an antlion and IIRC he has Levitate as his ability right?
Oh and these comics are apt
OK I laughed
To gain one of the best offensive typings =p
voodoopanda
Member
Always thought it was weird Psyduck & Golduck are just plain Water pokemon who learn a few psychic moves & not Water/Psychic. And that the whole Slowpoke line is Water/Psychic instead.
Beyonce Beytwice
Member
Psyduck is called Koduck in Japan, which means child duck
"Sue-Do-Woo-Do? Super User Direct Order, Would Do? WTF."
Any other pronunciation of it is wrong.
Nottle said:
Which is stupid as hell.