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[Earthbound64]

And they interpreted it not on their own, because 'asset' isn't defined in our constitution.

Instead the court relied on Black’s Law Dictionary to ascertain its meaning, finding that it includes:



In the verdict the court wrote:



The Supreme Court also looked up the word ‘receivable’ in the Business Dictionary, finding that it is an:



So if the court has to conduct all this due diligence and doesn't quite know what any of this means, how in the world is anyone else meant to understand these terms.

"Providing a dictionary definition" doesn't imply you don't know what it means or are "relying on other sources."
It often simply means you're providing a rigid definition for a term to avoid complications.

 

[Mael]

This is incredibly fascinating why didn't I take an interest in this sooner?

 

[Mauddib]

"Providing a dictionary definition" doesn't imply you don't know what it means or are "relying on other sources."
It often simply means you're providing a rigid definition for a term to avoid complications.

Avoiding complications when using an article that was designed by a military dictator to weed out politicians probably isn't the brightest judicial decision.

Two years ago, Justice Khosa had described the words ‘Sadiq' and ‘Ameen' as obscure and impracticable and had also talked about "nightmares of interpretation and application that they involved". Yet, today the Supreme Court, with Justice Khosa on the bench, used those same words to disqualify Nawaz.

What changed?

Edit: Happy that the New York Times, which I think we can all agree is a trustworthy newspaper, is commenting on the decision and the possibility of military interference. When you have jackals like Musharraf smiling on national television, and not a single Judge ready to rule on the abrogation of the constitution, then it's heartening to know that at least the international press isn't afraid to raise these questions.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Avoiding complications when using an article that was designed by a military dictator to weed out politicians probably isn't the brightest judicial decision.

Two years ago, Justice Khosa had described the words ‘Sadiq’ and ‘Ameen’ as obscure and impracticable and had also talked about "nightmares of interpretation and application that they involved". Yet, today the Supreme Court, with Justice Khosa on the bench, used those same words to disqualify Nawaz.

What changed?

It doesn't matter, it's still in the constitution. It's the job of politicans to write the law and the job of the court to interpret the law and give judgement on it.

Justice Khosa used precedents of previous court cases involving article 62-63 as that of someone who infringes on the rights of others while in a position of power. A perfectly valid and sound interpretation.

 

[Earthbound64]

Avoiding complications when using an article that was designed by a military dictator to weed out politicians probably isn't the brightest judicial decision.

Two years ago, Justice Khosa had described the words ‘Sadiq’ and ‘Ameen’ as obscure and impracticable and had also talked about "nightmares of interpretation and application that they involved". Yet, today the Supreme Court, with Justice Khosa on the bench, used those same words to disqualify Nawaz.

What changed?

They figured out how to use a dictionary?

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

And now Pakistan is...

Sans-Sharif.

LMAO

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Over a year on and the effect of the Panama Papers continues to reverberate.

Today the leaks claimed another political scalp: Pakistan's Supreme Court has removed Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif from office. The leaks showed how Sharif and his children were linked to prestigious Park Lane apartments through a complex web of anonymously owned British Virgin Island (BVI) companies.

The Sharif family have denied any wrongdoing. And currently, there is nothing at all illegal about owning UK properties through anonymous companies either in Pakistan or in the UK.

And that is precisely the problem.

Our investigations have shown time and again how easy it is for the criminal and corrupt to launder money through luxury property, hiding the real owners behind anonymous companies, often registered in secrecy jurisdictions like the BVI and hidden behind ”nominee" directors.

We urgently need to close this loophole. And until recently, we thought the UK was making progress.

But two years after David Cameron promised to bring transparency to the UK property market and just one year after the furore of the Panama Papers and the commitments made at the International Anti-Corruption Summit, we are no closer to stopping the corrupt from investing their ill-gotten gains in UK properties.

The decision rests with the Prime Minister and her Cabinet. Are they happy to see criminal proceeds stashed in UK properties? Is this the kind of global Britain we'll be after Brexit?

If not, they need make good on their promise to clean up the UK property market and show the world that ‘there is no home for the corrupt in Britain' by putting legislation before Parliament as soon as possible.

https://www.globalwitness.org/en-gb...ster-sharifs-family-used-anonymous-companies/

A moment of reflection for the UK as well; How they've become a safe haven of money laundering for the world's corrupt elite, the biggest example being London's property market. In essence, skyrocketing real estate prices and making lives difficult for their own citizens who want to own a house.

 

[Jeels]

Pakistan does what the US doesn't.

He went down for not disclosing information. How much of Trump's stuff, including trump himself, have been withholding financials, communications etc?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Pakistan does what the US doesn't.

He went down for not disclosing information. How much of Trump's stuff, including trump himself, have been withholding financials, communications etc?

A lot of controversy around Trump's tax returns was the fact that he never released them publicly, the US would benefit from a law that makes it mandatory for someone to publicize their tax returns before running in an election.

 

[adamsapple]

This is incredibly fascinating why didn't I take an interest in this sooner?

I won't blame you... this has been going on in some capacity since shortly after Nawaz was elected after the last elections.

Thank goodness the results came out as they did, let's hope the rumors of Shehbaz becoming the next PM to finish out the tenure aren't true. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

I won't blame you... this has been going on in some capacity since shortly after Nawaz was elected after the last elections.

Thank goodness the results came out as they did, let's hope the rumors of Shehbaz becoming the next PM to finish out the tenure aren't true. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Shahbaz Sharif is implicated in the Hudaibya Mills case, the next petition will be for his disqualification I think.

There is also the case of the illegal shifting of Chaudhry Sugar mills in which he exercised a blatant misuse of power, Lahore High Court has reserved judgement on that case for the past few months, maybe they were waiting for Panama verdict?

 

[AuthenticM]

And now Pakistan is...

Sans-Sharif.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

That font was Calibri by the way, the default one in Microsoft Office.

 

[Derwind]

And now Pakistan is...

Sans-Sharif.

Clever.

 

[Saint of Killers]

And now Pakistan is...

Sans-Sharif.

Maybe not:

Brother of ousted Pakistani prime minister chosen to be next leader - Shahbaz Sharif will need parliamentary approval to replace Nawaz Sharif, who was disqualified over corruption allegations

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...stani-prime-minister-chosen-to-be-next-leader

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

An example of the myopic western media coverage on this issue:

Pakistan's latest ouster of an elected leader looks, at least on the surface, refreshingly democratic.

Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, was ordered out by the Supreme Court rather than the military, which had cut short his two previous terms. He was removed over corruption charges that are backed up by substantial evidence. Accountability and checks and balances seemed to carry the day.

But where some see democracy's triumph, others see its corruption into just another tool for the powerful to subvert public will and the rule of law.

The court avoided other officials implicated in the scandal, deepening suspicion that its singling out of Mr. Sharif was opportunistic. The vastly powerful military, whether by luck or design, once again stood to benefit as its rival lost power. Normally, timid watchdogs acted under enormous pressure from Mr. Sharif's rivals.

The episode is a lesson in how countries like Pakistan — with weak elected institutions and histories of repeated backsliding and breaks in civilian control — can get stuck in a gray zone between dictatorship and democracy.

In such a system, even steps like Mr. Sharif's removal, which nominally reinforce accountability and the rule of law, can deepen decidedly undemocratic norms.

Though justice prevailed, so did perceptions that it is applied selectively. Though corruption was punished, so was, in the eyes of many of Mr. Sharif's supporters, defiance of the military.

The country has shown it can lawfully remove a prime minister, but it has also shown that voters, who have been allowed to decide only one peaceful transfer of power, still have their leaders selected for them. They are spectators foremost, and participants only occasionally, in their country's democracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/...leader-dashes-hopes-for-fuller-democracy.html

The same institutions of accountability which were complicit with Sharifs corruption and refused to take any action against him while he was in power, it was only when the Supreme Court ordered the formation of the JIT did a report come out against them.

This is the first time the process of accountability took place against the most powerful premier of a country and this clueless journalist derides it as an action against democracy. The same NYT which is on a 24/7 crusade against Trump for lying repeatedly suddenly applies different values of morality for a different country.

There is no democracy without accountability, being elected by a majority doesn't grant you the right to break the law. I'd advise western journalists to better understand the ground reality before writing an un-informed piece.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

As a rebuttal to this coverage, a reply from a Pakistani newspaper:

The international response to the disqualification of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is somewhat telling. It is also rather expected. And it follows the western liberal paradigm that places the utmost importance on elections as the be-all-and-end-all benchmark of democracy.

If only it were that simple.

The general consensus when it comes to those engaged in bread-and-butter political punditing appears to be that Pakistan is at risk from the big boys at GHQ. This may or may not be true. Though the chances of a hard coup do appear unlikely. At least we hope so for Imran Khan’s sake. The general consensus also dictates that the perilous state in which the country currently finds itself is all the fault of the Supreme Court, which has been sufficiently audacious to flex its judicial muscles to knockout a sitting PM that the people had elected.

When Benazir Bhutto was assassinated, the US immediately went on record as saying that the scheduled elections must go ahead no matter what. Today, the response from Washington has been rather more muted: it is an internal matter, so says the State Department. This is well advised.

So, why this fixation on elections alone? Meaning that democracy must surely name the process through which it comes into being. There are some here in this country who would argue that any civilian governments elected on the back of a military dictator’s National Reconciliation Ordinance effectively surrendered the right to boast of being freely and fairly elected the by the people for the people. They have a point and it is one that goes beyond the usual causal objectification of Pakistanis being unready for democracy, as if the latter were nothing more than a readymade coming-of-age gift.

It is not just here that elections are nitpicked over in terms of procedural norms. And in this instance, we do mean procedural norms as opposed to technical irregularities.

The Scottish independence referendum of 2014 was hailed at the time as the epitome of self-determination. By everyone but the Scottish nationalist parties. This was more than a case of mere sour grapes at losing the popular vote. The latter rightly protested the last minute inclusion by Whitehall of binding conditions less than a month before ballot boxing began, such as the drastically increased Scottish national debt servicing obligations. To our mind such manoeuvrings render null and void the concept of a free and fair vote. Bluntly put, the electorate was not fully informed during the entire electioneering process. Similarly, when Gordon Brown finally got his mitts on the keys to Number 10 — he dropped the bombshell that the Chilcot inquiry findings would be published after the after the next general elections. Once again, serious questions are raised when it comes to British parliamentary democracy.

We would like to remind our global well-wishers of their symbolic support for the lawyers’ movement that was said to have prompted Gen Musharraf’s political demise. And as we do so we would also ask them to cast their minds back and to recall if their governments have ever truly done anything to strengthen Pakistani democracy in terms of institution building. We say this not to be flippant or trite. For the West has certainly flashed the cash in our direction, however capriciously that may have seemingly been. The US, for example, had promised us some $7.5 billion as a thank you for returning towards the democratic path. For some of Pakistanis, this was little more than the drone dividend. And after the devastating floods of 2010 — the tranches were redirected towards relief and reconstruction efforts. This was perhaps the best to be made of a bad situation, given how one particular American aid maestro ‘warned’ that the US could influence just how much international donor money would trickle into Pakistani coffers.

And finally we would like to reassure everyone who is so very concerned for Pakistan’s future, that regardless of how fledging and flawed our very young democracy may be — we have at least begun the process of holding our leaders to account. Institutions take time to grow and the future Parliaments will imbibe some of the lessons from the recent episode.*

http://dailytimes.com.pk/editorial/30-Jul-17/our-young-democracy-will-survive

 

[PhantomX1313]

ok I've read the news but man Imran is such a wimp amateur compared to Sharifs heck I don't think his party stand a chance against them whom Pakis been electing for decades.

 

[Mauddib]

An example of the myopic western media coverage on this issue:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/...leader-dashes-hopes-for-fuller-democracy.html

The same institutions of accountability which were complicit with Sharifs corruption and refused to take any action against him while he was in power, it was only when the Supreme Court ordered the formation of the JIT did a report come out against them.

This is the first time the process of accountability took place against the most powerful premier of a country and this clueless journalist derides it as an action against democracy. The same NYT which is on a 24/7 crusade against Trump for lying repeatedly suddenly applies different values of morality for a different country.

There is no democracy without accountability, being elected by a majority doesn't grant you the right to break the law. I'd advise western journalists to better understand the ground reality before writing an un-informed piece.

Not sure why you're sour about the international press, when all the major newspapers in Pakistan are lambasting the decision as well. Every establishment, from Dawn to the Tribune and the News are calling the ruling to be what it is - moronic.

ok I've read the news but man Imran is such a wimp amateur compared to Sharifs heck I don't think his party stand a chance against them whom Pakis been electing for decades.

Imran Khan is a coward. He actually stands for nothing but himself and his own brand. Here's a video of him speaking about Articles 62 and 63 back in 1997, the same articles he and his legal council used to oust Nawaz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi-AYhfMRGU

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Not sure why you're sour about the international press, when all the major newspapers in Pakistan are lambasting the decision as well. Every establishment, from Dawn to the Tribune and the News are calling the ruling to be what it is - moronic.



Imran Khan is a coward. He actually stands for nothing but himself and his own brand. Here's a video of him speaking about Articles 62 and 63 back in 1997, the same articles he and his legal council used to oust Nawaz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi-AYhfMRGU

Stop crying about article 62-63. PPP wanted to remove it during Zardari's era but your leader Nawaz Sharif stopped them from removing it, a cruel twist of fate indeed.

 

[Maledict]

That article would make more sense Poetic if its points about British parliamentary actions wasn't complete and utter gibberish. Particularly the one about the Scottish independence vote, a vote which most countries in the world would never have allowed at all.

 

[Mauddib]

Stop crying about article 62-63. PPP wanted to remove it during Zardari's era but your leader Nawaz Sharif stopped them from removing it, a cruel twist of fate indeed.

Lmao. Glad you got what you wanted politically, and you seem pretty happy Article 62 was applied here, but you'll probably be crying about it in a few days

And did you honestly just post an article where an author is berating Western authors for placing a heavy emphasis on elections in a democracy? And then confusing Western government interference in Pakistani politics with Western newspapers? That's like saying Ary News and PML-N have the same voice. What a ridiculous article.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Lmao. Glad you got what you wanted politically, and you seem pretty happy Article 62 was applied here, but you'll probably be crying about it in a few days

And did you honestly just post an article where an author is berating Western authors for placing a heavy emphasis on elections in a democracy? And then confusing Western government interference in Pakistani politics with Western newspapers? That's like saying Ary News and PML-N have the same voice. What a ridiculous article.

The article focuses on both the role of governments and media, you seem to be reading it selectively. The role of western governments in the current case has been very good by keeping themselves out of it.

When Condoleezza Rice facilitated the NRO through which convicted criminals were allowed to go scot free and run in elections again. Nawaz Sharif also allowed to return before his exile period was up, and got his criminal convictions overturned by bribing judges and bureaucrats.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

The lack of reflection, however, remained constant, and not just by the now ex-prime minister. The commentariat forgot the last quarter-century ever happened: the same judicial system that had absolved him, again and again, was now maligned as part of a shadowy plan.

Yet in all this talk of conspiracy, no one denied ownership of Capital FZE. No one denied the existence of the London flats. And no objective observer could stomach the story: Qatari princes flying in on magic carpets; lawyers-cum-font-geeks typing up beta Calibri. After a while, we were in O.J. Simpson territory: excellent legal talent, wall-to-wall coverage, popular support — and everyone knowing he did it.

Those rightly citing Article 10-A and the right to a fair trial may breathe easy: they will get their trial. As to arguing that disqualification may only ensue from the said trial, the court has directly disqualified MNAs in the past, and will do so in the future — any due process concerns left were taken care of by the joint investigation team. While the usual suspects try to tar the JIT with the same Masonic conspiracy brush, the fact is Pakistan's state institutions have long been slammed as weak and venal (see Hijazi, Zafar). Yet the JIT has set a standard for both the thoroughness of its investigation as well as its independence.

Which at last brings us to Friday's verdict: Imran Ahmed Khan vs Mian Nawaz Sharif, the most consequential case in memory. And the tragedy is, it never had to end this way.

The Panama Papers were leaked on April 3, 2016. Between then and now, Nawaz Sharif could have disclosed all his assets; he did not. He could have asked a former judge to form a commission, long as he empowered it; he did not. He could have sat down with the PPP and resolved this in parliament; he did not. He could have emancipated state institutions to the point they would not fear investigating him; he did not. He could have resigned in the wake of the JIT report; he did not. He could have built in parameters for Articles 62 and 63; he did not. To call this a conspiracy, then, may well be accurate: Mian Nawaz Sharif's against himself.

To turn to other burning issues, now that Article 62(1)(f) has been deployed, it is prayed the Supreme Court exercises it with judiciousness, and that our legislature rethink Articles 62 and 63 altogether.

Finally, if this is indeed a brave new world, what of the crime that started the Sharif era? In Asghar Khan vs Mirza Aslam Beg, the court ruled that generals Beg and Durrani rigged the 1990 polls, and that the state ”take necessary steps under the Constitution and law against them".

Justice Khosa's decision in the Panama case held, with great courage, that a prime minister ”immune from touchability or accountability [...] would be nothing short of a disaster". His words are as applicable to those in uniform — be it the gents that illegally got Nawaz Sharif elected prime minister in 1990, or the gents that unlawfully removed him in 1999.

Let justice be done.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1348461/on-panama

 

[Mauddib]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1348461/on-panama

Bruh, if you're going to quote Dawn News then at least link to their Editorial regarding the verdict:

Now that the short but final judgement has been analysed by the legal community, the political class and the citizenry in detail, the implications of it for politics in Pakistan need to be forthrightly addressed.

The consensus in expert and independent circles is twofold and clear: Nawaz Sharif has been stripped of the prime ministership on troublingly narrow legal grounds and the judgement has the undesirable potential to upend the democratic process in the country.

In the circumstances, Chief Justice Saqib Nisar ought to consider, following an appropriate petition, convening the full court to review the five-member bench’s final judgement in the Panama Papers case.

If the democratic project is to be sustained and strengthened, the rules of the system must be clear, fair and transparent. It had been hoped that the Supreme Court would deliver a well-argued and well-reasoned judgement that would create a desirable and easily implementable legal precedent. Instead, the one that now holds sway in the application of disqualification criteria for elected officials is staggeringly wide and could become the source of chaos in the parliamentary realm.

This newspaper called for Mr Sharif’s temporary resignation after the JIT report was submitted to the Supreme Court and has consistently argued that Mr Sharif and his family submit to accountability first in the Panama Papers matter. But Mr Sharif, both as a citizen and as the legitimately elected prime minister, had a justifiable expectation of fair and proportionate justice. That does not appear to be the case in the five-member bench’s final judgement and it has profound consequences for the future of the office of the prime minister and of parliament itself.

The Supreme Court itself can determine the scope of the review, but some of the questions that ought to be addressed are clear. Is, for example, the definition of receivables given in the judgement the only interpretation allowed under the law? What is the scope of Article 62(1)(f) and has it been properly determined by the bench? What constitutes a misdeclaration in a candidate’s nomination forms that can trigger disqualification?

Following Friday’s judgement it is not unreasonable to suggest that all parliamentarians face at least some uncertainty about their legitimate qualifications to hold public office. Whatever the legitimate concerns about many parliamentarians’ lack of financial disclosure, a situation in which one hundred per cent of elected representatives are vulnerable to disqualification is surely too destabilising a situation for a democratic order.

The full Supreme Court must urgently step in and provide some necessary clarity.

Source

You guys are ignoring one of the biggest judicial fuck ups in the country's history just because you hate Nawaz so much. It would be a stretch to even consider this a mistake.

In fact, just today, Umar Cheema, the guy who broke the Panama Gate story in Pakistan, wrote an article about how several of the sources used by the JIT appear to have been forged. This is the guy who revealed the Sharif offshore accounts saying that the JIT forged documents.

Eventually you will have to open your eyes to what's happening. The legal community has. The newspapers have. The international press has. Even PPP recognizes what happened was not kosher. Yet, you persist. On what basis?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Bruh, if you're going to quote Dawn News then at least link to their Editorial regarding the verdict:


Source

You guys are ignoring one of the biggest judicial fuck ups in the country's history just because you hate Nawaz so much. It would be a stretch to even consider this a mistake.

In fact, just today, Umar Cheema, the guy who broke the Panama Gate story in Pakistan, wrote an article about how several of the sources used by the JIT appear to have been forged. This is the guy who revealed the Sharif offshore accounts saying that the JIT forged documents.

Eventually you will have to open your eyes to what's happening. The legal community has. The newspapers have. The international press has. Even PPP recognizes what happened was not kosher. Yet, you persist. On what basis?

The time for objections is over. Whatever false stories JANG/Geo group cook up now have little value. Sharifs lawyers accepted the documents and didn't challenge them in court.

His purported 'facts' as to why the documents are forged are laughable.

 

[Noctix]

Bruh, if you're going to quote Dawn News then at least link to their Editorial regarding the verdict:


Source

You guys are ignoring one of the biggest judicial fuck ups in the country's history just because you hate Nawaz so much. It would be a stretch to even consider this a mistake.

In fact, just today, Umar Cheema, the guy who broke the Panama Gate story in Pakistan, wrote an article about how several of the sources used by the JIT appear to have been forged. This is the guy who revealed the Sharif offshore accounts saying that the JIT forged documents.

Eventually you will have to open your eyes to what's happening. The legal community has. The newspapers have. The international press has. Even PPP recognizes what happened was not kosher. Yet, you persist. On what basis?

I am surprised people are still defending this asshole. I mean seriously this was his 3rd attempt at running the country all he did was suck the country dry and people are still defending him. Have you no soul. Are you so blind that you cannot look past your party?

 

[Mauddib]

I am surprised people are still defending this asshole. I mean seriously this was his 3rd attempt at running the country all he did was suck the country dry and people are still defending him. Have you no soul. Are you so blind that you cannot look past your party?

In a country full of politicians who are proud military boot-lickers, extreme evangelists, crooks, murderers, and cricketers who heavily sympathize with extremist groups, I would much rather support someone who has evaded some tax but has brought stability to the Pakistani economy. But hey, I guess you know more about macro-economic stability than Bloomberg, the Economist, the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Atlantic combined

Do you folk even live in Pakistan? Oversees Pakistanis tend to love Imran Khan and have a completely skewed view of the country.

I mean, Imran Khan just added this motherfucker to his party:

Mian Mithu - Known for abducting and forcefully converting Hindu girls to Islam in Sindh. I mean, fuck, even the PPP decided he was too fucked up for them in 2013.

The time for objections is over. Whatever false stories JANG/Geo group cook up now have little value. Sharifs lawyers accepted the documents and didn't challenge them in court.

His purported 'facts' as to why the documents are forged are laughable.

Groan. "The time for objections is over". You talk exactly how I expect a 'military brat' to talk. Fake News? Lmao. Trump is that you?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

In a country full of politicians who are proud military boot-lickers, extreme evangelists, crooks, murderers, and cricketers who heavily sympathize with extremist groups, I would much rather support someone who has evaded some tax but has brought stability to the Pakistani economy. But hey, I guess you know more about macro-economic stability than Bloomberg, the Economist, the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Atlantic combined

Do you folk even live in Pakistan? Oversees Pakistanis tend to love Imran Khan and have a completely skewed view of the country.

I mean, Imran Khan just added this motherfucker to his party:



Mian Mithu - Known for abducting and forcefully converting Hindu girls to Islam in Sindh. I mean, fuck, even the PPP decided he was too fucked up for them in 2013.



Groan. "The time for objections is over". You talk exactly how I expect a 'military brat' to talk. Fake News? Lmao. Trump is that you?

You are the one who has been perpetuating fake propaganda and Trumpian facts in these threads.

Post news with credible links or kindly STFU.

 

[Mauddib]

You are the one who has been perpetuating fake propaganda and Trumpian facts in these threads.

Post news with links or kindly STFU.

The Nation

Even Times of India covered it.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

The Nation

Even Times of India covered it.

Post a link of where he has joined PTI and not an article from 2015.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

The Nation

Even Times of India covered it.

Here is a credible news source for you.

Nawaz Sharif took money from Osama Bin Laden to run in elections against Benazir Bhutto in the 90s:

ISLAMABAD: A new book has once again made the claim that Nawaz Sharif received money from Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

The book, Khalid Khawaja: Shaheed-i-Aman, is authored by Shamama Khalid, the wife of former ISI operative Khalid Khawaja.

“Chief of PML-N Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif received funding from Osama Bin Laden, founder of Al-Qaeda, to contest elections against Benazir Bhutto’s led Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) after the end of Zia regime,” the book states.

The book claims that Mr Sharif’s pledge of introducing an Islamic system attracted Khawaja as well as Bin Laden. But even though the Al Qaeda head honcho funded Nawaz Sharif heavily, the latter backtracked from all his promises after coming into power.

The book also carries a note from former ISI director general, retired Lt-Gen Hamid Gul, which also claims that Khawaja was very close to Nawaz Sharif for some time. The book claims that Abdullah Azzam introduced Khawaja to Bin Laden.

Azzam, who is also known as the ‘father of global jihad’, was a Palestinian Sunni. Azzam raised funds and recruited jihadis from the Arab world, known as Afghan Arabs. A mentor of Bin Laden, he is said to have persuaded him to come to Afghanistan.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1242571

Here is also a video clip from your beloved Geo channel on the issue.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5lonth

English documentary link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dWb3xhBVU

 

[Mauddib]

Here is a credible news source for you.

Nawaz Sharif took money from Osama Bin Laden to run in elections against Benazir Bhutto in the 90s:



https://www.dawn.com/news/1242571

Here is also a video clip from your beloved Geo channel on the issue.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5lonth

English documentary link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dWb3xhBVU

OBL wasn't on anyone's black books back then. In fact he was hailed as a freedom fighter by everyone but the Soviets. Why would it matter? How is this even comparable? You have pictures of IK cozying up to a man who abducts minorities and forcefully converts them.

Jesus, you have no clue who you're supporting. IK is fucking disgusting.

Speaking after visiting a hospital in Peshawar where Malala Yousafzai – the 14-year-old activist shot in the head by the Taliban for supporting girls' education – was treated last week, Khan told reporters that insurgents in Afghanistan were fighting a "jihad". Citing a verse from the Qur'an, he said: "It is very clear that whoever is fighting for their freedom is fighting a jihad …

Khan has also courted criticism by saying he will not publicly name the Taliban while criticising the men who attempted to kill Malala, because he feared it would put his party's supporters at risk.

The Guardian

After terrorists killed more than 100 Pakistani school children 18 months ago, the country’s leaders vowed to crack down on religious seminaries that are recruiting grounds for domestic and international Islamist militant groups.

U.S. officials have also continued to pressure Pakistan in their decade-long effort to get the government to deny safe-havens to insurgent groups destabilizing Afghanistan, especially the Taliban and its brutal offshoot, the Haqqani network.

Despite all of that, Pakistan’s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa provincial government is giving $3 million to the Darul Uloom Haqqania seminary, also known as the “University of Jihad.”

At a provincial assembly meeting last week, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s leaders announced the grant and said it was needed to keep one of the world’s most controversial Islamic seminaries operational. Government leaders noted the seminary currently enrolls and houses about 4,000 students, and their parents expect they will be taken care of.

“A large number of students study, live and eat in this seminary, and it's doing great service for the poor people,” Mushtaq Ghani, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s information minister, said in an interview with The Washington Post.

Washington Post

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

OBL wasn't on anyone's black books back then. In fact he was hailed as a freedom fighter by everyone but the Soviets. Why would it matter? How is this even comparable? You have pictures of IK cozying up to a man who abducts minorities and forcefully converts them.

Jesus, you have no clue who you're supporting. IK is fucking disgusting.


The Guardian


Washington Post

Why would it matter? A known terrorist supported your so called leader with thousands of dollars to oust a politician in elections on the ground that she was a female politician and that doesn't even matter? Jesus.. the mental gymnastics. :lol

 

[Mauddib]

Why would it matter? A known terrorist supported your so called leader with thousands of dollars to oust a politician in elections on the ground that she was a female politician and that doesn't even matter? Jesus.. the mental gymnastics. :lol

Of course it doesn't matter. He accepted the money before OBL was a terrorist. Why is that a problem? It's like saying Obama should be judged for accepting a donation from a person who went on to murder his wife. Why in the world would you blame Obama for that??? You're bending over backwards to fault Sharif and it's kind of ridiculous. IK's government literally funded an institute that is known for spreading intolerance and extremist ideology, to the tune of $3 mn, and the best you can do is to blame Nawaz for taking money from OBL in the early 90s? Really?

The fact is that Imran Khan is a fucking asshole. Straight up. Here's a great article about his crusade against middle class encroachment near his house in Bani Gala:

Returning to Khan's recent appeal to the CJP, we may consider it to be illustrative of his frustration with the unhindered ”encroachment" of the middle class on the once exclusive neighbourhood of Bani Gala. After the court decisions in late 1990s, Bani Gala attracted many more elite homebuilders to its scenic locations even as it opened its less desirable areas to a large number of middle-class people looking for affordable housing in Islamabad.

The arrival of a large number of the middle class naturally added more stress to this ”unplanned and unregulated" area and drastically changed the density and demographics of this once exclusive neighbourhood. Whereas Imran Khan bought acres of land on top of a hill, and Dr Qadeer Khan along the banks of Rawal Lake, the middle-class is now buying marlas along narrow streets with no proper sewerage or renting apartments in jerry-built plazas. While Khan's own house is located within a gated enclosure accessible through a private driveway, the only two approaches to this sanctuary are full of potholes and offer unsightly views of sewerage seepage and garbage strewn about as a result of the increased haphazard construction in the area.

This points to another dimension of the Bani Gala urban phenomenon: the aesthetic of encroachment. Aesthetics or appearances play an important role in how encroachments are perceived, especially when it comes to differentiating between high- and low-end encroachments. For instance, while slums and squatter settlements fit public perceptions of unplanned encroachments, exclusive gated communities or mansions built illegally on urban peripheries in many cities in Pakistan can make claims of legitimacy on the basis of their planned appearances.

The problem for the elite of Bani Gala now is that while they may have the ability to encroach beautifully on top of hills and along lakes, their less-privileged neighbours mostly encroach in an unassuming manner. This may be the reason that prompted Imran Khan to complain to the CJP about the municipal ineffectiveness of the CDA, the same authority that was not formally consulted in the approval process of his own residence built in a protected ecological region in Islamabad.

Dawn

So it was perfectly fine for him to encroach, but not middle-class residents? You want this asshole to be the voice of equality in our country? A man willing to go to court to stop less privileged people from living near him?

What's even more ridiculous is that you're blaming Sharif, when the ISI was obviously housing and hiding OBL for years. It's our military and our intelligence who are creating cracks between us and our neighbors. Whenever Sharif tries to mend relationships with Iran, Afghanistan or India, the military and intelligence get involved the next thing you know, there's cross-border violence taking place.

You folk need to really reflect on your pro Pakistan military allegiance. The military thrives on destabilizing Pakistan because that is where they derive their power. They need to justify the insane budgets they get, and they do that by sabotaging Pakistan's bilateral relationships. Because of our military, both Afghanistan and Iran have become increasingly closer to India. It's why the international press is reacting the way it is. There's a deep mistrust of Pakistan's deep state.

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Of course it doesn't matter. He accepted the money before OBL was a terrorist. Why is that a problem? It's like saying Obama should be judged for accepting a donation from a person who went on to murder his wife. Why in the world would you blame Obama for that??? You're bending over backwards to fault Sharif and it's kind of ridiculous. IK's government literally funded an institute that is known for spreading intolerance and extremist ideology, to the tune of $3 mn, and the best you can do is to blame Nawaz for taking money from OBL in the early 90s? Really?

The fact is that Imran Khan is a fucking asshole. Straight up. Here's a great article about his crusade against middle class encroachment near his house in Bani Gala:


Dawn

So it was perfectly fine for him to encroach, but not middle-class residents? You want this asshole to be the voice of equality in our country? A man willing to go to court to stop less privileged people from living near him?

What's even more ridiculous is that you're blaming Sharif, when the ISI was obviously housing and hiding OBL for years. It's our military and our intelligence who are creating cracks between us and our neighbors. Whenever Sharif tries to mend relationships with Iran, Afghanistan or India, the military and intelligence get involved the next thing you know, there's cross-border violence taking place.

You folk need to really reflect on your pro Pakistan military allegiance. The military thrives on destabilizing Pakistan because that is where they derive their power. They need to justify the insane budgets they get, and they do that by sabotaging Pakistan's bilateral relationships. Because of our military, both Afghanistan and Iran have become increasingly closer to India. It's why the international press is reacting the way it is. There's a deep mistrust of Pakistan's deep state.

Sweet lord. Nawaz Sharif has a 1700 acre palace in Lahore made from forcibly threatening and removing poor people from their homes and buying land at throw away prices

The Raiwind Estate reference, moved against Mrs Shamim Akhtar and Mian Nawaz Sharif, alleged that 401 kanals of land were acquired by the accused for the construction of palatial mansions and other ancillary buildings, surrounded by a high boundary wall.

The construction, the reference said, appeared to have been carried out between 1992 and 1999.

Nespak was asked to carry out a survey and provide an estimate of the cost of the land, houses, structures and other buildings located at the Raiwind Estate.

As per its report, the investments and expenditures on the construction of the buildings and structures erected amounted to an estimated Rs247.4 million. A sum of Rs171.2 million was apparently paid by the prime minister for the construction of his own and his brother Shahbaz’ house, the reference alleged.

The reference maintained that the income of the accused according to income tax returns filed between 1992 and 2000, amounted to Rs41.2 million, over Rs200 million less than the actual expenditure on the property.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1316033

I'm no fan of the army's past actions. They have obviously made big mistakes in the past but the current military leadership are sensibly keeping themselves far away from any kind of political interference. You seem to be sizzling in an irrational hatred of Imran Khan and the army. I advise you to reconsider the facts and not support a thieving criminal.

 

[MikeMyers]

Well Pakistan has border disputes with Afghanistan and India, so there's always gonna be a problem until those get solved.

Dunno what's going on with Iran though?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

Well Pakistan has border disputes with Afghanistan and India, so there's always gonna be a problem until those get solved.

Dunno what's going on with Iran though?

Sectarianism is a problem with the Shia Hazara tribe being targeted by terrorists. Baffling to see him blame the army for that.

 

[Mauddib]

Imran Khan and his lackies are targeting a woman for claiming that IK harassed her with inappropriate text messages.

Instead of taking her allegations seriously, they're tying it up into this Panama Papers verdict for some reason.

They went so far as to point out that Gulalai's sister, an international squash champion, wears shorts which, according to PTI supporters, discredits Gulalai in some weird manner. Fuck these assholes.

A woman's conscious struggle to break free from the dehumanisation and shame she has experienced in the past should ideally be lauded, and yet yields completely the opposite results the minute she speaks out publicly. It happens the world over, and the situation in Pakistan is no different.

On August 1, Ayesha Gulalai - an MNA and now former member of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) - came forward with allegations of harassment against Imran Khan - Chairman PTI - and claimed that she had been receiving lewd messages and overtures from him since October 2013.

She also openly condemned the overall problem of misogyny, as well as corruption within the party, particularly among party members at the leadership level. Gulalai's allegations were largely rejected by the public, leading to a backlash.

Fans of Khan have also lauded Fawad Chaudhry's uncalled-for attacks on Gulalai which targeted her sister Maria Toorpakai's squash career and the fact that she wears shorts, i.e. her official sports uniform, during tournaments.

Ayesha Gulalai and her sister are not the same person, and attacking her to defend an alleged harasser points at the very core of the problem. Such comments ultimately speak volumes of the pervasive internal culture of misogyny in Pakistan's political parties and how easy it is for male party members and supporters alike to disrespect women.

A lot of the criticism stemmed from the fact that Gulalai decided to address the issue after years of silence. Even some women - party members, celebrities, and unfortunately a prominent feminist activist - went out of their way to partake in victim blaming, and berate Gulalai for not speaking up sooner, even going so far as to say that she should be dealt with by a jirga, as per the tribal customs of South Waziristan, the region she hails from.

Female party workers from PTI decided to use their own experiences as a benchmark to dismiss Gulalai's experience.

Treating someone's harassment as a non-issue on the basis of dissimilar experiences and just because it has not happened to oneself is akin to trivialising everyday misogyny and gender-based vitriol.

I hope each and everyone of these PTI fucks get whats coming to them. Hypocritical trash.

Sectarianism is a problem with the Shia Hazara tribe being targeted by terrorists. Baffling to see him blame the army for that.

You can't be serious. The Pakistani military has strong ties to LeJ, has protected and funded them for years now. It's the worst kept secret in the country. Not only that, but Zia and subsequent army chiefs have hated the shiite community and have treated Ahmadis like dirt.

How about LeT, Sipah-e-Sahaba, or Jaish Mohammad. All of these organizations were trained and armed by the Pakistan military. The Pakistani military has been directly responsible for sectarian violence.