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Prime Now users: do you tip?
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FinalStageBoss
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Lol no
The service that exists now, for $99/year, is not what the OP wants. If they offered the service, the way the OP wanted, this thread wouldn't exist. The question is whether what he wants is "reasonable" and simply wanting it, is not enough to make it "reasonable." Now, if other companies offer exactly what the OP wants, for the same or lower yearly fee, then he has a point.
I'm kinda glad that young people especially are getting really mean about tipping because it is starting to drive change but at least admit that the person you are absolutely and demonstrably harming in the short term is the individual, not the "Man" or corporate America.
Dusktildawn48
Member
Need vs should
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
We know the system by now. Anyone going on about "above and beyond" made that up for themselves to justify their behavior.
It's unreal that people would rather screw over underpaid workers than the companies underpaying them in the first place.
PdotMichael
Banned
That's wrong and is just a silly attempt of customer blaming.
The company is hurting the poor delievery guy not the customer.
This is intellectual judo. You are not forced to use the service. You're party to hurting the driver too.
I don't like tipping. It's irritating and should be unnecessary.
But I'm not a cheapskate and I don't avoid responsibility for my half of the transaction.
The non-tipping customer is profiting off the exploitation of the delivery person, just like the company is, because they're accepting the benefit of lower prices. They're perpetuating the system just like tippers, because they're using the service. They're just opting not to pay more, directly to the delivery person.
PdotMichael
Banned
Neither do I with fulfilling the contract I made with Amazon.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I almost jumped in for BLOPS3 $20 off deal on Prime Now, but when I saw that they expected a $6 tip I just didn't order. That's barely any better then the GCU discount.
Subpar Spatula
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This is the service he wants, just not the billing structure. I don't believe the OP has stated otherwise. OP is also OK with a price increase. This thread wouldn't exist if they didn't ask for a tip. It became reasonable when Amazon put together this package. Other companies may charge more but within the spectrum of the offer it is reasonable to want the service you pay for.
Why do people think this is okay? I tip even though I live in the UK, because I've worked as a waiter/bartender and tips are always a nice gesture if the service is good. And I mean significantly above average.
But you should never feel compelled to. The onus should be on employers to give their staff a fair wage.
And yes, you can have good service without a tipping incentive. The last bar I worked at, I worked dilligently, made sure my service was top notch and had good feedback from customers to my manager. Was swiftly promoted and earning more than I'd started on.
That's incentive. Would never work a job where my livelihood relied on demanding people pay extra to me on top of their bills: how unreliable is that for an income?
Prime membership includes free 2-day shipping (and some other perks). That's what he paid for, with his membership. One of those perks is now the choice to use Prime Now, with the suggestion that you tip. If he's not comfortable with the suggestion that he tip, then his choices are: (1) Embrace the exploitation of the delivery person and use the service without tipping; or (2) If this extremely new feature was the reason he joined Prime, then cancel his membership.
Subpar Spatula
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He made his choice already.
And that's your right.
You're not stupid. You're not evil.
But you're also claiming you have no part in harming the delivery guy. Well if you use NOW and you're aware the drivers depend on tips, I don't know what to tell you.
Yes, tip. If you tip a waiter, you should tip this delivery guy. They are expending more (wear and tear on vehicle, gas, etc).
Edit -- People in this thread are right, though. Onus should be on owners to provide a living wage. But the fact of the matter in the US is that it's not - so you should tip.
Edit -- People in this thread are right, though. Onus should be on owners to provide a living wage. But the fact of the matter in the US is that it's not - so you should tip.
bitizenbon
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But they are being paid, and so is Amazon you massive dickhead.
Heavy_D206
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No Tipping is the reason I've become a massive Uber user.
I think more companies should adopt this policy.
I think more companies should adopt this policy.
DOWN
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Let's not pretend that just because it's allowed to not tip, that you don't need to tip. If you are going to be a decent human being, you need to tip. You know better than to screw someone who is in this payment structure over.
bitizenbon
Banned
Customer blaming and self-inflated pride on your part. No one gets to dictate how others should spend their money.
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If you are going to partake in a tip-based employee service and not tip, you're the biggest problem
Then use Google Express. You not tipping just fucks the delivery person out of their pay. If don't like it, then don't use the service, no one's forcing you to, but they're up front about wanting you to tip the delivery people.
You are literally getting like w/e the fuck you want within two hours and you think you're being ripped off for handing the person a five for doing that for you?
bitizenbon
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I tip the standard 15% when I go to a restaurant. The time last week when the server sat at our table to take our order and tried to trick me into ordering a more expensive side of fries, we tipped her 9%.
It's all about customer satisfaction, and it shouldn't be something by default. Especially since I live in California and servers make minimum wage.
It's all about customer satisfaction, and it shouldn't be something by default. Especially since I live in California and servers make minimum wage.
Amazon gets paid its normal amount, when you stiff the driver he gets almost nothing and may even lose money overall. Also I believe calling someone a massive dickhead for pointing out facts may be uncool.
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Deleted member 17706
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I try to avoid situations where tipping is effectively mandatory as much as possible (restaurants, delivery, taxi cabs, valet, luggage carrying). I just hate the whole thing, so I don't use them. When I do use them, of course I tip, but I just don't engage with the system when I can.
I'm not ready to accept that tipping for Amazon couriers is mandatory yet. I really just want the culture of tipping to go away in this country. Having to worry about the level of service the worker is offering is just annoying as a customer and shouldn't be expected. That's my take, at least.
No, thank you. I do not want to give a shit about the driver who happens to be delivering my package. I do not want to evaluate them at all. I don't want to think about them.
Not having to do so is a huge part of the appeal of using services like this. Having the tip included or not expected in the first place in services like Uber and Lyft is a big part of what makes them appealing over taxis.
PdotMichael
Banned
If we at the point where legally using and fully paying for a service is harming people then everything is lost.
Anything else is just random blaming.
bitizenbon
Banned
Taking a sarcastic stance and acting like these drivers are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts is uncool. This is their job. If it isn't working for them they should consider something else.
I was starving earlier this year and refused to get an unpaid or low paid internship because I knew it wouldn't work for me in the long run.
Still waiting to know how much the delivery people are paid
*Since no one reads:
https://www.amazon.com/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/29/1425873/-Amazon-begins-the-Uber-ization-of-its-employees
*Since no one reads:
https://www.amazon.com/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/29/1425873/-Amazon-begins-the-Uber-ization-of-its-employees
dc3k
Member
Boo hoo. Get a different job if your life relies on people being guilted into "tipping" you.
(Incoming "but the economy! :'( Jobs are hard to find!" whining)
Fnord
Member
Not coming down one way or the other (don't have the service here), but, by definition, same day delivery is part of the service you're paying for and not "beyond" what's included in your prime membership. You're not paying an additional fee for it, are you?
Dusktildawn48
Member
Real mature guy. You have no idea how much they're are making without tips, don't act like you do. And I guess you don't realize how much these people into wear and tear on their cars.
bitizenbon
Banned
If a delivery-based job is wrecking their livelihood and is ultimately detrimental to their vehicles then it probably isn't for them and they should consider another line of employment.
Don't pretend they are delivering stuff to your house out of the kindness of their hearts. This is a service offered by Amazon and people are paying for it. If the job is horrible then try to get another one.
I was starving earlier this year and didn't succumb to a low paid internship because it wasn't sustainable. And by the sounds of it this isn't either
Doesn't sound so bad. I'm guessing they don't compensate for your gas though.
The Amazon Prime membership comes with free 2-day delivery and free 1-day delivery, for certain items and orders over $35. Now, included within the Prime membership is the ability to use Prime Now, which offers "free" 1-hour or 2-hour delivery: There's no additional delivery fee, but it's recommended that you tip the driver. Prime Now was not originally included in the Prime Membership and didn't exist in my area, when I renewed this year. It still doesn't exist, in most places, I think.
SDCowboy
Member
Even after gas that would be far from needing to be tipped.
Dusktildawn48
Member
If they're making $17-$25 before tips then my argument is invalid. Shit I'd quit my job and go there if that were the case, if they ever got it in stl
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SDCowboy
Member
Hell, after seeing that, I'd make that my new job also if it was in my area. I have a truck so I can load a lot of packages. lol
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Postmates has the same vague "$20-25 hour" promise. Look at the wording. Tips make up that assumed hourly total.
You can't find people talking openly about what they're making at Flex like you can with Postmates. I'm taking that as a red flag until I see otherwise.
Also this:
Joyful
Member
if only the tipping scene from reservoir dogs wasnt still 100% relevant to modern times
Yeah, I'm not saying that's what they make. But I don't think they are making federal tipping min wage of $3 in California and being compensated like so many people are assuming.
It's flexible work hours when they want to be on call too which is also different so all the deductions they have in there don't really apply imo:
Like, what? Even as a base minimum of $9 for when they want to work, it it probably higher from what it sounds like. For a part time gig or extra work that seems fine.
Maybe some person can do an AMA on Reddit about it.
This a much better post than your first where you called a bunch of people garbage.
The reality is that some people out there will look at this service as "free" as long as the tip is optional. Amazon should just make the damned thing mandatory. Five bucks for 1 hr delivery is pretty sweet, but there will always be people who opt to pay nothing as long as it's possible.
Uh I wouldn't jump at that so quickly. It's always nearly impossible to make the top range of these types of jobs, they always oversell them. Plus you're not their employee, you're freelancing, so you're paying your own health care, you're paying for your own car, you're paying taxes. A lot of these jobs are minimum wage after it's all said and done. Source: I've done postmates on and off for a while and looking into other similar gigs before deciding against it realizing they're all the same deal.
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