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[Megasoum]

Oh career "evolution" structure and XP instead of money. Although pCars everything is unlocked from the start right?

Yes, pCARS is centered around a motorsport/racing career (going from Karts to LMP1 Lemans prototypes). There's no money or unlocks or anything like that.

To be clear, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with collecta-thon games like Forza and GT, I love those games too! It's just that we're talking about 2 different things. Nothing wrong with them co-existing.

I think so, it's definitely the case in free play at least. In career mode I assume stuff is locked by progression (ie. "You haven't finished your GT4 races so you can't do GT3", but I've never played career so don't quote me on that.

The natural progression is obviously going from Karts to LMP1 in order (you can choose from different branches for example open wheelers or GT cars) but you are free to start your career at any tiers. You want to start your career straight into Formula A (Fake F1)? Go for it!

SMS did a great video to present the career mode

 

[TheAdmiester]

I think the easiest way to explain the "low" car count of this game is to explain its focus. It's focusing on motorsports and not general street + race car collection. The scope is narrower, and the classes are less varied in real life so naturally the game will be too. Just like if you imagined a LMP1-only game, it's obviously going to have less cars than GT/Forza because it focuses on a class that doesn't have a massive variety even in its real world counterpart.

 

[Megasoum]

I think the easiest way to explain the "low" car count of this game is to explain its focus. It's focusing on motorsports and not general street + race car collection. The scope is narrower, and the classes are less varied in real life so naturally the game will be too. Just like if you imagined a LMP1-only game, it's obviously going to have less cars than GT/Forza because it focuses on a class that doesn't have a massive variety even in its real world counterpart.

Exactly.

The idea behind the design of the single player part of the game is to make the Motorsport version of a FIFA/Madden career mode. You sign up as a young pilot and climb through the ranks over multiple seasons.

 

[seattle6418]

Hopefully all the casuals who are drive by posting in these late Pcars threads are not also spreading misinformation in real life. First people should understand what this game is, then they should post.

Duplicates? People seriously need to google it and understand which car is which. People saying GT3 spec cars and GT4 spec cars are duplicates need to be bitchslapped.

 

[Hopey]

I wanted the Honda to be there, dang.

 

[GHG]

Whut? Lol

Yeh exactly what I said.

While some of you control-f your favourite shitty non-racing focused road cars and count the overall number of cars I'll look at the features that will effect and add to the moment to moment racing thanks. If they actually wanted Forza 5 to be good they would have focused on getting the engine in place with all of those things I mentioned, but no, all they did was cram in as many high res cars as possible and call it a day.

These threads hurt my head. Thank god you guys didn't get early access to this game because all we would have ended up with is another Shift.

EA knew. The console crowd generally doesn't care to understand games like this, hence they dumbed the game down, crammed as many cars in and added the ability to mod cars.

To be honest I hope all of you who are doing this stay the fuck away from the game so that those of us who want a focused racer with full race weekends can enjoy clean racing online.

The level of ignorance really shows when people look at 2 cars, one that's a gt3 and one that's a gt4 and say that they are the same car... Sigh.

 

[Mascot]

ITT there's an awful lot of people claiming they won't be buying a game that they obviously had no interest in buying in the first place.

The emerging car list has been in the public domain for the past three years for anyone with even the most basic of Google skills, and Project CARS has had one of the most transparent development processes in the history of gaming. The ignorance, outrage and entitlement in this thread is simply incredible, even by GAF standards.

It's drive-by posting at its very finest - perfectly apt for a racing game, I guess.

Never change, GAF. Never change.

 

[Defcon_2Fast4u]

Glad to see Aston Martin and BMW in the game, but no Lamborghini models? At ALL?????

REALLY?????

This is really making me thing twice. Yes Lamborghini is my heart an soul.

 

[Pepto]

Did SMS do something wrong? Why are people expecting road cars in a racing sim?

 

[Arrage]

Don't attack the people who are ultimately disappointed with how this game turned out to be! When the game developer claims to leave other racing games in the dust and publishes media info how this game is going to compete with Forze/GT, people expect this game to be comparable. Here is some developer info:

"With a huge range of cars and motorsports on offer - everything from road cars, US muscle, and supercars, to GT, Le Mans Prototypes, open wheel, and even karts; whatever your passion, there's something perfect for you - with more being added regularly!"

At which point a huge variety leads to roughly 50 unique cars and then some motorsport revisions? You have to question the hype and information that was sent to public.

This game doesn't need hundreds of cars, majority of them would be inferior anyway. 65 vehicles is a good amount for the simulator.

Attack the bullshit claims from the publisher, developer and the media (which is even quoted in the game's website)! You agree that this game isn't GT/Forze. Don't call people, who were fed this info for years, a "console crowd", they were mislead.

 

[Pena]

Personally, I don't care so much about the car selection. There are enough cars for me, I'm more interested in tracks and driving. Included tracks in Project Cars looks pretty impressive. Nordschleife, hell yes.

 

[AkIRA_22]

No Mazda RX-7 or 787B? hopefully later.

 

[seattle6418]

Glad to see Aston Martin and BMW in the game, but no Lamborghini models? At ALL?????

REALLY?????

This is really making me thing twice. Yes Lamborghini is my heart an soul.

They are a small team, and they are doing their car roster like Assetto Corsa: as they secure the licenses, they start building on it. Like others have said, their development has been pretty open, they are going after many other brands, we all know this is an evolving game with lots of content to come.

I think we might see a Lambo super trofeo in the game at some point, Assetto Corsa managed to get both Lambo's and Ferraris in their game, i'm sure SMS can make it happen.

Over the last three years they usually said "We secured the license for X brand and these are the cars we chose".

It's not always the number. If the rumors are true (leaked info) look at the Nissans they've chosen to license:

1982 Nissan KRD30 Super Silhouette
1989 Nissan GTP ZX-T or 1990 NPT-90
1990 Nissan R90CK
1990 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Group A
1994 Nissan 300ZX IMSA GTS
1999 Nissan Primera BTCC
2003 Nissan Skyline GT-R R43 Gt500
2014 Nissan ZEOD
2013 Nissan Altima V8 Supercar
2013 Nissan 370Z GT4
2013 Nissan GTR GT3

It manages to pick the best of the best. It's a little bit of every major racing series, you got Super GT, Fia, BTCC, old touring... i would say it has more variety than the Nissan Race cars roster in GT6, that's mostly made up SuperGT models.

From a motorsport point of view it's a fantastic list. Everything in Pcars is geared towards motorsports, not driving.

 

[coastel]

Honestly thought the car list would be a lot bigger, though it's not to bad I suppose. Will be buying it still as driveclub wasn't for me and I really need a GT type racing game to play.

 

[OmegaDL50]

They are a small team, and they are doing their car roster like Assetto Corsa: as they secure the licenses, they start building on it. Like others have said, their development has been pretty open, they are going after many other brands, we all know this is an evolving game with lots of content to come.

I think we might see a Lambo super trofeo in the game at some point, Assetto Corsa managed to get both Lambo's and Ferraris in their game, i'm sure SMS can make it happen.

Over the last three years they usually said "We secured the license for X brand and these are the cars we chose".

It's not always the number. If the rumors are true (leaked info) look at the Nissans they've chosen to license:

1982 Nissan KRD30 Super Silhouette
1989 Nissan GTP ZX-T or 1990 NPT-90
1990 Nissan R90CK
1990 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Group A
1994 Nissan 300ZX IMSA GTS
1999 Nissan Primera BTCC
2003 Nissan Skyline GT-R R43 Gt500
2014 Nissan ZEOD
2013 Nissan Altima V8 Supercar
2013 Nissan 370Z GT4
2013 Nissan GTR GT3

It manages to pick the best of the best. It's a little bit of every major racing series, you got Super GT, Fia, BTCC, old touring... i would say it has more variety than the Nissan Race cars roster in GT6, that's mostly made up SuperGT models.

From a motorsport point of view it's a fantastic list. Everything in Pcars is geared towards motorsports, not driving.

Nice. Although I would have loved to see the R390 added to this list. Can't ever have too many GT1 cars.

 

[Miguel81]

I was aware of the car list for awhile now. Ferraris, Lambos, and some more Japanese and American vehicles would be fantastic as DLC(wishful thinking). The list of tracks is mighty impressive, and I'll be purchasing this for the PC in a few days.

 

[VanWinkle]

I think the easiest way to explain the "low" car count of this game is to explain its focus. It's focusing on motorsports and not general street + race car collection. The scope is narrower, and the classes are less varied in real life so naturally the game will be too. Just like if you imagined a LMP1-only game, it's obviously going to have less cars than GT/Forza because it focuses on a class that doesn't have a massive variety even in its real world counterpart.

I find it weird that you won't call 65 cars in a sim racer low, but you've said 50 cars in arcade racer Driveclub is tiny.

 

[cris7198]

No Nissan GT-R :C
Well, Mclaren F1 should be enough

 

[Juicy Bob]

I find it weird that you won't call 65 cars in a sim racer low, but you've said 50 cars in arcade racer Driveclub is tiny.

The thing about racing games like Project CARS is that if you really get into them like a lot of sim fanatics do, you can spend solid hours driving a single car and learning everything about it, tweaking set up and exploring how balanced the cars in in low, mid and high speed turns - and that's before you're even start a race.

If you're playing a championship with GT3 cars, for example, you're going to spend possibly weeks testing, practicing, qualifying and racing before moving on to the next round and doing it all over again.

When you've finished, you might decide you want to live out your GP2 fantasies by doing a Formula B championship instead and then you have a whole new adventure learning that car for the next week or so. That's why having a relatively short car list like this to choose from from the beginning is sitting perfectly well with a lot of sim enthusiasts, because they know that there's enough variety in there to keep them satisfied for ages.

With games like GT, Forza and DriveClub, races tend to be only a few laps or minutes long and there's more emphasis on just jumping into the race, winning, and then moving onto the next one. Which is absolutely fine and is what the vast majority of gamers want to do.

But with that being the case, it'd get really old really fast if you only had a relatively small list of cars to choose from. That's why having the massive car selection like GT has is great, because you can spend 30 minutes racing an Ariel Atom around modern real life road courses to spending 30 minutes ragging a Group 1 Rally car around a fictional snow course all in the same amount of time it'd take you to complete one practice session in a 'hardcore' sim.

So that's why I think a game like DriveClub kind of needs a healthy amount of cars to provide enough variety and choice to fit the nature of game it is, whereas something like Project CARS doesn't suffer from a smaller but more focused list of cars.

 

[GHG]

Don't attack the people who are ultimately disappointed with how this game turned out to be! When the game developer claims to leave other racing games in the dust and publishes media info how this game is going to compete with Forze/GT, people expect this game to be comparable. Here is some developer info:

"With a huge range of cars and motorsports on offer - everything from road cars, US muscle, and supercars, to GT, Le Mans Prototypes, open wheel, and even karts; whatever your passion, there's something perfect for you - with more being added regularly!"

At which point a huge variety leads to roughly 50 unique cars and then some motorsport revisions? You have to question the hype and information that was sent to public.

This game doesn't need hundreds of cars, majority of them would be inferior anyway. 65 vehicles is a good amount for the simulator.

Attack the bullshit claims from the publisher, developer and the media (which is even quoted in the game's website)! You agree that this game isn't GT/Forze. Don't call people, who were fed this info for years, a "console crowd", they were mislead.

I'm sorry, but what fucking hype? They have barely had any money to do marketing FFS. So where is this hype coming from? Fan made trailers? User made early development alpha build videos and screenshots? Kickstarter backer impressions?

This game has had the most transparent development process out of any game in recent times. If you bothered to follow or even get involved then you wouldn't be surprised by this list.

I also fail to see where they are incorrect in that statement. It's not their fault if people can't read and mistake "huge range of cars" for "huge number of cars". At that point you are just trying to interpret something that simply isn't there. http://www.projectcarsgame.com/cars.html

There are at least a handful of cars in each category. It's a focused racing game that is meant to reward driver skill, not the guy who picks/mods the fastest car. It's about a balanced car list where you can chose a car and be competitive with everyone within the same category. Bumper to bumper, wheel to wheel racing.

If you genuinely feel this way you only misled yourself.

 

[ddikxela]

Ctrl+F "maz-" Oh come onnn!!!! Wheres my damn rotaries. I was hoping we'd get at least one of the classic racing R100s, RX2s, RX3s or Series 1 RX7s.
Nope.

 

[Colbert]

Where are the damn Porsche cars?

 

[GHG]

Where are the damn Porsche cars?

Do some research on the Porsche video game licence then come back.

Astounding.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Where are the damn Porsche cars?

EA has a full exclusive license for Porsche cars. Any developer who wants Porsche cars in their game needs to negotiate with EA for a sub-license.

For a crowdfunded game, I doubt SMS would be able to pay EA's asking price to get a sub-license for Porsche vehicles.

 

[SmokyDave]

BMW 320 Turbo Gr.5 (E21)
BMW M3 Gr.A (E30)
Caterham Seven Classic
Caterham Superlight R500
Ford Capri Zakspeed Gr.5
Ford Escort RS1600
Ford Focus RS
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Gr.A
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo2 DTM
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400
Renault Clio Cup
Renault MÈgane R.S. 265

I reckon those alone elevate this roster to greatness. I am pleased.

 

[Mascot]

BMW 320 Turbo Gr.5 (E21)
BMW M3 Gr.A (E30)
Caterham Seven Classic
Caterham Superlight R500
Ford Capri Zakspeed Gr.5
Ford Escort RS1600
Ford Focus RS
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Gr.A
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo2 DTM
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400
Renault Clio Cup
Renault MÈgane R.S. 265

I reckon those alone elevate this roster to greatness. I am pleased.

This man gets it.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

No Chevy? At all? lolol. Just lost a sale. And yes, I'm a huge Chevy fan, so if I can't drive my favorite cars, I have little to no interest in the game.

EDIT: Sucks for Nissan and Toyota fans, too...

Kinda thought the same thing. A racing game without the new Stingray? Ouch. Still looks good, but man they need that Vette license.

And Mustangs without Camaros are just lonely.

 

[elfinke]

Yes, pCARS is centered around a motorsport/racing career (going from Karts to LMP1 Lemans prototypes). There's no money or unlocks or anything like that.

To be clear, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with collecta-thon games like Forza and GT, I love those games too! It's just that we're talking about 2 different things. Nothing wrong with them co-existing.

The natural progression is obviously going from Karts to LMP1 in order (you can choose from different branches for example open wheelers or GT cars) but you are free to start your career at any tiers. You want to start your career straight into Formula A (Fake F1)? Go for it!

SMS did a great video to present the career mode

I've said (and asked) this in other pCars threads, but I'll use this opportunity again to just say how much I love this decision. So great.

Neat car list, too. I just hope we see some non-super car cars down the line. As much as I love driving fantasy vehicles, I enjoy the racing that slightly more ordinary cars bring. Like MX5's, or the modern day equivalent, Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ. Anyway, I think I'll be picking this up with Driveclub this coming week.

 

[kyser73]

BMW 320 Turbo Gr.5 (E21)
BMW M3 Gr.A (E30)
Caterham Seven Classic
Caterham Superlight R500
Ford Capri Zakspeed Gr.5
Ford Escort RS1600
Ford Focus RS
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Gr.A
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo2 DTM
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400
Renault Clio Cup
Renault MÈgane R.S. 265

I reckon those alone elevate this roster to greatness. I am pleased.

I'm surprised they went with the Clio Cup and not the Williams tho.

Completely agree about the roster tho.

 

[Biker19]

A real lack of Japan in PS4 racers so far.

I agree. And it sucks.

Looks like Gran Turismo 7 will be the only racer that will fill that void.

 

[matrix-cat]

Not a huge lineup, but I'm sure I'll find a few to love in there. The most important thing for me in a racing sim is the track list, though, and PCars blows everything else out of the water in that respect.

 

[pezley]

Grrr no game has had a VX220 since Forza 4

 

[JackAubrey]

People need to stop comparing pCARS to Forza and GT and instead compare it to the old TOCA games (or even Grid Autosport) and pc sims like Assetto Corsa and rf1/rf2.

Comparing pCARS to GT/Forza makes as much sense as comparing it to Driveclub (hint: It doesn't make sense).

Yes it does. Handling in Project Cars is very similar to Forza 5. Both have very good physics.

Source: played BOTH games a lot.

 

[JackAubrey]

They're not sims because they're ignoring a lot of things related to driving. If there's no mechanical damage, there's no way to simulate shifting gears badly. If there's no road temperature, there's no heat that affects tires, and thus affects nbakes. If there's no air pressure simulation, westgate can't be simulated. If there're no mechanical damage, there's no way you can break the suspension of your car by abusing it. If there're no asymetric setups, that affects your driving in ovals, if setups are standard for every car, then you're not simulating the cars too well.

So, there're lots of elements about driving that are not simulated os just lightly simulated. I'm not saying these games are inferior because of that. Mario Kart doesn't simulate jack shit and is a landmark in gaming.

Forza 5 has all those. Facts are important.

 

[TEH-CJ]

Why the lack of Japanese cars? I wanted to mod a Supra RZ or GTR R34. Fuck that. Waiting for this to be cheaper 3 months down the track.

 

[Cushen]

All I need is my E30 and I'm good to go. I hope the M4 is available down the road.

 

[TEH-CJ]

I agree. And it sucks.

Looks like Gran Turismo 7 will be the only racer that will fill that void.

Forza 5 and Horizon 2 will fill that void for me until something better comes out. buying an xbox one tomorrow. Super excited to play them. Sorry to derail thread..

 

[Upinsmoke]

Think I'm gonna skip it. Not enough variety in cars considering you can have 30 plus cars on the grid that's half the cars in the whole game.

 

[Stripper13]

ITT there's an awful lot of people claiming they won't be buying a game that they obviously had no interest in buying in the first place.

The emerging car list has been in the public domain for the past three years for anyone with even the most basic of Google skills, and Project CARS has had one of the most transparent development processes in the history of gaming. The ignorance, outrage and entitlement in this thread is simply incredible, even by GAF standards.

It's drive-by posting at its very finest - perfectly apt for a racing game, I guess.

Never change, GAF. Never change.

Uhh, I was genuinely interested in the game, including hyping the game to friends who like racing games.
I followed the games development but never felt the need to search for a car list. I just assumed a game that had been in development so long, with open feedback etc was going to be impressive right out of the gate.

But this car list really killed my interest. There's no doubt some impressive cars there, but it's hard to argue that there aren't massive gaps in the list too.

 

[danowat]

I'm surprised they went with the Clio Cup and not the Williams tho.

Completely agree about the roster tho.

The fact that it's a British racing sim means the Clio cup is of more importance.

The Clio cup has been a feeder series for ages.

People need to remember this is a British sim, simulating British motorsports, as such the car roster is indicative of this.

 

[Kane1345]

Did SMS do something wrong? Why are people expecting road cars in a racing sim?

I was wondering that too...

 

[Spookie]

It needs a Skyline GT3 and C7 GT3. Hell Chris Hoy drove the Skyline last year in the British GT. That should be enough for them to licence it ASAP.

Besides that I'm happy with the list. I would like a BTCC 90's 00's grid though.

 

[Solal]

As good as the list is, it screams "DLC!!!!" to me....

 

[Stacey]

Watching a stream last night of the ps4 version didn't fill me with much confidence about the car handling.

The cars looked like they were spinning on an axis like the good old days of racing, sometimes with a hovering off the floor effect.

Also reminded me of NFS shift 2, literally skating around every corner.

Not convinced, not convinced at all

 

[Dilly]

Think I'm gonna skip it. Not enough variety in cars considering you can have 30 plus cars on the grid that's half the cars in the whole game.

How is there not enough variety when most of the popular motorsport branches are represented?

Watching a stream last night of the ps4 version didn't fill me with much confidence about the car handling.

The cars looked like they were spinning on an axis like the good old days of racing, sometimes with a hovering off the floor effect.

Also reminded me of NFS shift 2, literally skating around every corner.

Not convinced, not convinced at all

Not true at all.

 

[danowat]

Watching a stream last night of the ps4 version didn't fill me with much confidence about the car handling.

The cars looked like they were spinning on an axis like the good old days of racing, sometimes with a hovering off the floor effect.

Also reminded me of NFS shift 2, literally skating around every corner.

Not convinced, not convinced at all

LOL.

I can get the complaints about the car list, I get that, I really do, but this post, man, this post takes the biscuit........

 

[Pena]

EA has a full exclusive license for Porsche cars. Any developer who wants Porsche cars in their game needs to negotiate with EA for a sub-license.

For a crowdfunded game, I doubt SMS would be able to pay EA's asking price to get a sub-license for Porsche vehicles.

Crowdfunding!

 

[Risgroo]

Racing games always bring out the best posts. Woo.

 

[MMaRsu]

Glad to see Aston Martin and BMW in the game, but no Lamborghini models? At ALL?????

REALLY?????

This is really making me thing twice. Yes Lamborghini is my heart an soul.

Maybe its hard or expensive to get the Lambo Liscense. Maybe they will add them in later like with Driveclub.

 

[saladine1]

It's not always the number. If the rumors are true (leaked info) look at the Nissans they've chosen to license:

1982 Nissan KRD30 Super Silhouette
1989 Nissan GTP ZX-T or 1990 NPT-90
1990 Nissan R90CK
1990 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 Group A
1994 Nissan 300ZX IMSA GTS
1999 Nissan Primera BTCC
2003 Nissan Skyline GT-R R43 Gt500
2014 Nissan ZEOD
2013 Nissan Altima V8 Supercar
2013 Nissan 370Z GT4
2013 Nissan GTR GT3

What leaked info?

Those Nissans would be quite welcome especially the Group 5 DR30 and IMSA 300ZX.

BMW 320 Turbo Gr.5 (E21)
BMW M3 Gr.A (E30)
Caterham Seven Classic
Caterham Superlight R500
Ford Capri Zakspeed Gr.5
Ford Escort RS1600
Ford Focus RS
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Gr.A
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo2 DTM
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400
Renault Clio Cup
Renault MÈgane R.S. 265

I reckon those alone elevate this roster to greatness. I am pleased.

Yep, some great cars in there.