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PS3 Tard pack = No wifi + No HDMI + No MemoryStick /SD/CompactFlash
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Shompola said:
It's 'damage control' to say adding tilt sensitivity to the Dual Shock 3 without trying to turn it into another Wii wand was a good idea? The tilt sensor in the DS3 gives it more versatility than the 360 controller, but it's still similar enough to the DS2 that 90% of the games developed for the PS3 won't involve pantomiming swinging a sword or stirring soup or whatever the hell developers decide is 'fresh' and 'exciting' for all the casuals and jaded gamers who are supposed to be buying the Wii.
I'll be the first to say that Sony screwed up big time on pricing, but when it comes to the DS3, it's exactly what I wanted in a next-gen controller. (Well, I would've liked rumble too, but I guess I can't have everything.) The DS2 was damn near perfect for me to begin with, and making two of the shoulder buttons into triggers alone would have been more than enough to make me happy. Tilt sensitivity is just icing, really. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one out there who wasn't planning to chuck their old controller in the bin and take up the Way of the Wii just because Nintendo told me to. The DS3, on the other hand, strikes a nice balance between old and new. So at least when it comes to control, I think they did 'get it' - Nintendo may be a little too ahead of their time.
BigBoss said:
Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will only downsample if the ICT flag is enabled on the movie discs. As of March, Sony's stance is that they won't be enabling that flag.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ent...downconvert-bluray-hd-on-old-hdtvs-160358.php
Nor will Paramount, Disney, or Fox:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ent...t-image-degradation-scheme-for-now-163475.php
Warner Bros. will, but only on select titles.
But I have a feeling people will ignore this post anyway.
soundwave05
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I don't think there will be many "tard" packs availible anyway.
Just like the PSP "core" pack in Japan was very hard to come by ... you basically had to pay for the full unit.
The "tard" pack just lets them advertise a more paltable $499.99 price point in Best Buy flyers and what not. Once those people get to the store, they'll realize
A) The 'tard pack is a crappy value to begin with
B) The premium pack is the only one that's availible anyway.
Just like the PSP "core" pack in Japan was very hard to come by ... you basically had to pay for the full unit.
The "tard" pack just lets them advertise a more paltable $499.99 price point in Best Buy flyers and what not. Once those people get to the store, they'll realize
A) The 'tard pack is a crappy value to begin with
B) The premium pack is the only one that's availible anyway.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
quetz67 said:
Failed Sony Defence Force
BREACH AT THE GATES!
soundwave05
Member
aaaaa0 said:
The only problem is HD-DVD doesn't have 1/2 the studio support Blu-Ray does.
If you want an actual wide selection of movies to watch in HD from most of the major studios ... Blu-Ray is really you're only option right now.
I think a fair comparision would be the PS3 titles in their current state and PDZ E3 2005. Developers are just staring to press all the great CG stuff they showed into realtime games looking close to that. Not all will succeed perfectly, but I am under the impression it works quite well overall.Shompola said:
soundwave05 said:
All the studios are gonna release on any media that can make them money, except Sony.
So if HD DVD survives and gets a reasonable installed base (which is looking more and more likely at this point), expect the studios to come around and start releasing on HD DVD.
You guys got it all wrong. The PSP was supposed to curb PS3 manufacturing costs and it didn't in fact it did the opposite. If PSP was making Sony tons of money then the PS3 would be between 400-450 dollars fully featured. But since the PSP is a financial disaster they can't risk loosing millions on the PS3 they have to have at least one profitable hardware on the market.
Tard SKU's, Gimp controller and Price aside some of those games looked fantastic but at the same time looked more like interactive movies rather than having total control of the player and his movements. I hope this won't be a familiar trade-off is CG quality looking PS3 games. The graphics of some of those games put to shame anything seen on the 360 and no I'm not talking about the borefest that was Gran Turismo HD. Sony is caught in a tough position here. Market saturation will demand a lower price but they might not be able to comply. They will not be able to play a price war with Microsoft this gen and this will hurt them, bad. I still want one.
Tard SKU's, Gimp controller and Price aside some of those games looked fantastic but at the same time looked more like interactive movies rather than having total control of the player and his movements. I hope this won't be a familiar trade-off is CG quality looking PS3 games. The graphics of some of those games put to shame anything seen on the 360 and no I'm not talking about the borefest that was Gran Turismo HD. Sony is caught in a tough position here. Market saturation will demand a lower price but they might not be able to comply. They will not be able to play a price war with Microsoft this gen and this will hurt them, bad. I still want one.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
how many damage control posts has quetz67 made this morning :lol
$600 = £320
But i guess it'll be more like £350 - 370, and 300 for the gimped pack.
not too bad, but Xbox tried it in Europe and fell on its face pretty hard, so it'll be interesting to see if Sony-land will take its medicine or jump ship...
...that was a pretty fucked up combination of metaphors, never mind.
But i guess it'll be more like £350 - 370, and 300 for the gimped pack.
not too bad, but Xbox tried it in Europe and fell on its face pretty hard, so it'll be interesting to see if Sony-land will take its medicine or jump ship...
...that was a pretty fucked up combination of metaphors, never mind.
I didnt say they do.Ryudo said:
1. I never expected that, at least not for Motorstorm, as that obviously werent gameplay scenes
2. Final dev kits are probably not available for that long
3. MGS4 looks quite good to me in RT.
MrSardonic...who needs damage control? Sony will do fine without my help and I have the money to get a premium PS3 plus a Wii...I might have to wait a little to play some of the 360 games, but most will come to PC sooner or later
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
In Japan till about 2011 you CANNOT use the AACS flag that forces downgrade of HD content when played over analog.
So Japanese users buying Japanese titles will see HD just fine even with component and no HDMI output, it is the LAW.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/695/695919p1.html
It will be bad if they announce American and European PLAYSTATION 3 releases without the HDMI port... even though Sony Pictures and many other studios initially will not use the AACS analog hole flag, they will in the future I am sure.
So Japanese users buying Japanese titles will see HD just fine even with component and no HDMI output, it is the LAW.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/695/695919p1.html
It will be bad if they announce American and European PLAYSTATION 3 releases without the HDMI port... even though Sony Pictures and many other studios initially will not use the AACS analog hole flag, they will in the future I am sure.
When I first saw the news I thought the 599 pack was overpriced but who cares the extra HDD space wasn't that important to me. I thought of the PS3 as a "499 dollar console", which is more than I wish but not enough to delay a purchase or anything.
On the plus side, Sony have done a good job differentiating the 2 SKUs. :lol $100 extra for a bigger HDD, no way! $100 less for a gimped console without a couple of connectivity options I really want? Damn you bastards!
I'm still getting one as soon as they're available, but there's no doubt that I consider the PS3 to be a $599 console now. That blows, and beyond the price I think it's crap that ppl getting the marginally cheaper but still expensive version won't have the option of easily upgrading later.
Oh, I like the controller very much. I like the 360's controller, but I've always considered the DualShock style my 'default' controller - the analog below the digital pad has always worked for me. As for losing rumble I don't care much at all, I turn rumble off in about half the games I play and rarely notice it in a positive way. Getting it wireless is worth it... but I'm sure Sony could have added rumble if they and their lawyers had really wanted to.
I'll wait to see the tilt in action before I worry too much about it, I just hope devs don't get all goofy with it trying to cram it onto every game whether it makes sense or not. Ideally in most games it would just be a control option, if they force you to use the tilt to move laterally in NHL just because it's there I'll be pissed.
PS - I wish the whole "tard" expression hadn't caught on. I just can't use that term without feeling like a jerk.
On the plus side, Sony have done a good job differentiating the 2 SKUs. :lol $100 extra for a bigger HDD, no way! $100 less for a gimped console without a couple of connectivity options I really want? Damn you bastards!
I'm still getting one as soon as they're available, but there's no doubt that I consider the PS3 to be a $599 console now. That blows, and beyond the price I think it's crap that ppl getting the marginally cheaper but still expensive version won't have the option of easily upgrading later.
Oh, I like the controller very much. I like the 360's controller, but I've always considered the DualShock style my 'default' controller - the analog below the digital pad has always worked for me. As for losing rumble I don't care much at all, I turn rumble off in about half the games I play and rarely notice it in a positive way. Getting it wireless is worth it... but I'm sure Sony could have added rumble if they and their lawyers had really wanted to.
I'll wait to see the tilt in action before I worry too much about it, I just hope devs don't get all goofy with it trying to cram it onto every game whether it makes sense or not. Ideally in most games it would just be a control option, if they force you to use the tilt to move laterally in NHL just because it's there I'll be pissed.PS - I wish the whole "tard" expression hadn't caught on. I just can't use that term without feeling like a jerk.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
MetalAlien said:
Games are not protected by AACS, so you will be able to play games in 1080i/p if the component connection you have supports it.
TerryLee81
Member
Panajev2001a said:
I thought 1080p is not possible over component?
MetalAlien said:
PS2 was quite pricy in continental europe (I remember 869 Deutschmarks = 444 Euros). If you take inflation and euro conversion price increase 599 Euros doesnt feel that much more today. It was a premium item at the time but included DVD player was quite a factor at that time (like is bluray today).Ghost said:
Dont get me wrong, this is not even close to mass market, I see some early pricedrops for europe at least.
Just because it is common it doesnt need to be mandatory. If your price isnt that much marketing but forced by high production costs the high euro/pound might be a good idea to lower the euro price to get more sales.Taker666 said:
And just for the info, europrices include 15%-20% VAT and a half year warranty (more like 2 years in most cases).
I don't see why they have HDMI built in at all. Surely that would be done by their multi-out?
But I want bluray. So I'll have to stump up the £400. But what about tard pack owners who want to upgrade to movies? will sony have a route - HDMI via multiout later on? Even as a $100 cable.
I don't care about wifi or 40GB - IMO those are reasonable cost cutting things - and I have wired ethernet anyway
But I want bluray. So I'll have to stump up the £400. But what about tard pack owners who want to upgrade to movies? will sony have a route - HDMI via multiout later on? Even as a $100 cable.
I don't care about wifi or 40GB - IMO those are reasonable cost cutting things - and I have wired ethernet anyway
Component isn't that bad for movies
- if the ICT flag is 'on', movies will be 'downrezzed' to 960x540p. Not great.
- if the ICT flag is 'off', movies will be capable of 1080p. Component can do that as well as HDMI. Unless there is some PS3 specification that explicitly says otherwise.
- games can do 1080p over component. Although be realistic, most people will be running 1080i or 720p
- In Japan, ICT is forbidden until 2010/2012, meaning bluray players have to pass full HD over analog (due to not many people having digital connections). This means that the tard pack is fine for Japanese consumers. It may also mean that studios resist implementing ICT flags globally, as the Japanese machines (being compatible with US regions), there will already be a 'hole' in the protection from a piracy point of view.
edit: I'd hope that the PSP will interact with the PS3 via your network if you have a wireless access point elsewhere.
- if the ICT flag is 'on', movies will be 'downrezzed' to 960x540p. Not great.
- if the ICT flag is 'off', movies will be capable of 1080p. Component can do that as well as HDMI. Unless there is some PS3 specification that explicitly says otherwise.
- games can do 1080p over component. Although be realistic, most people will be running 1080i or 720p
- In Japan, ICT is forbidden until 2010/2012, meaning bluray players have to pass full HD over analog (due to not many people having digital connections). This means that the tard pack is fine for Japanese consumers. It may also mean that studios resist implementing ICT flags globally, as the Japanese machines (being compatible with US regions), there will already be a 'hole' in the protection from a piracy point of view.
edit: I'd hope that the PSP will interact with the PS3 via your network if you have a wireless access point elsewhere.
1080p/30 is but not 1080p/60. So movies should look fine, though a pure digital signal would still be cleaner.
Sony better incorporate HDMI into the 'tard pack at the last minute. I can understand lack of WiFi and a smaller HDD, but don't cheap out on the HDMI. I don't even have a 1080p set, but it's time to ditch analog.
neondriver
Member
Take in regard the bad economic situation in europe and this sounds way too high.quetz67 said:
I for myself will wait till the premium one drops to 400.
PjotrStroganov
Member
Both versions have HDD. PS3 tardpack > Xbox 360 tardpack.
No rumble would suck bigtime though.
No rumble would suck bigtime though.
TerryLee81
Member
PjotrStroganov said:
You can upgrad a X360 tard pack to a premium pack.
X360 TP > PS3 TP
There were only a few and noticeable cg vids last year, the vast majority of stuff they showed was realtime, and they've exceeded it. Interestingly some of the titles shown now look like cg, and in some ways exceed even the most notorious cg from last year due to the presence of ubiquitous cloth physics/animation, which give it a less sterile look, a livelier look..Ryudo said:
PjotrStroganov
Member
TerryLee81 said:
I find game optimisation for the HDD more important. With the Xbox 360 HDD being optional the HDD doesn't have any advantages besides quicker loadtimes. The PS3 HDD being standard enables devs to do more with the caching abilities of the HDD.
the PS3 tard pack is indeed just that.. and even WORSE, relatively speaking, than the 360 tard pack. as others have pointed out:
no HDMI just plain sucks. it sucks on the 360, and it sucks on the PStard. so everyone with fixed pixel displays now get to DAC their video to begin with, and then ADC it to display it.
no wifi out of the box. I know 360 doesn't have it either.. I just can't beleive both MS AND sony are going to let Nintendo be the only company that will have all of their consoles on wifi.. and for the price of that gigabit ethernet controller they could have easily replaced it with wifi in every console. "but not every gamer has wifi". true, but every gamer can get his ass down to best buy and pick up a router for $20 on sale.
memory card slot - eh... I don't see it being used for much, especially with it not being in every system. not a big deal IMHO.
and the price. I said wow. you can buy 2 Wiis for the price of a single PS3. 3 Wiis for the price of a PS3 that doesn't make you look like a retard.
at this point the PS3 only holds one interest for me, and that is if come november I still can't get a Blu-ray player for under $600 or a universal player for under $1000. If either of those are true, then fuck the PS3 until the non-tard pack comes down under $500 (and even then I would be overpaying, but I would still probably do it)
MS can't even get 2M XBoxes to the shelf, sony is pricing their console more expensive than most of the home theaters it will be hooked up to.
save us Nintendo.
no HDMI just plain sucks. it sucks on the 360, and it sucks on the PStard. so everyone with fixed pixel displays now get to DAC their video to begin with, and then ADC it to display it.
no wifi out of the box. I know 360 doesn't have it either.. I just can't beleive both MS AND sony are going to let Nintendo be the only company that will have all of their consoles on wifi.. and for the price of that gigabit ethernet controller they could have easily replaced it with wifi in every console. "but not every gamer has wifi". true, but every gamer can get his ass down to best buy and pick up a router for $20 on sale.
memory card slot - eh... I don't see it being used for much, especially with it not being in every system. not a big deal IMHO.
and the price. I said wow. you can buy 2 Wiis for the price of a single PS3. 3 Wiis for the price of a PS3 that doesn't make you look like a retard.
at this point the PS3 only holds one interest for me, and that is if come november I still can't get a Blu-ray player for under $600 or a universal player for under $1000. If either of those are true, then fuck the PS3 until the non-tard pack comes down under $500 (and even then I would be overpaying, but I would still probably do it)
MS can't even get 2M XBoxes to the shelf, sony is pricing their console more expensive than most of the home theaters it will be hooked up to.
save us Nintendo.
Maybe it's just me, but when I can buy something like this for a little over $600, the PS3 seems a tad bit overpriced, especially since I'm not really jonesing for a BR player. :/ Oh, I know I'll end up buying one, but it probably won't be until FF XIII is released, and even then, I'll be kicking myself for it.
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