Is this good or bad news for sony
For a premium model? For a mid-gen refresh? In Japan? In it's first 4 days?
The 'expectations', for home consoles, fell ~10 years ago. Where have you been?Oh, how the expectations have fallen.
For comparison does anyone have the new 3ds numbers and the og 3ds numbers?
For 1080p owners is this really an upgrade at all? More downgrade imo and I'm not impressed.
Games running worse and the increased sharpness from downsampling is quite frankly, not even worth it imo. This is purely questionable due to peoples differing perception, tv size and how close they sit to their screen imo.
I feel like Sony has scammed the 1080p owners and this console is purely about 4k and HDR, regardless of what people think of the downsampling - my own fault, I know.
Question is, do Sony really give a fuck? Maybe time will tell but I aint feeling too confident a the moment that they do. Look at the low key announcement, the low key launch, the conflicting info on Pro Standards etc.
This looks more like a console for VR players and to get in the same ballpark as Scorpio for when it launches. Maybe then we'll see more improvements but will 1080p owners really be catered for? The only chance I see this happening is because all Microsofts games are gonna be scaled according to each hardware and potentially forcing Developers to do a bit more work...perhaps...
At the end of the day, it's cost me an extra £200 (£350 - £150 sale ps4) to play some games running worse than my son's original ps4.
Now I just need another £2k so I can get the KS8000 @ 65" so I can really appreciate my extra £200 investment.
lmao, so true.Good lord, some of these reactions.. PS4 Pro isn't expected to sell base PS4 launch numbers, nor is it supposed to.
Any reasons to have high expectations of the console market in Japan now after looking at the sales during the last 4-5 years?Oh, how the expectations have fallen.
Arent there like 3 games so far that has a lower framerate in certain areas? You say "more downgrade imo", making it sound like most of the games are downgrades from the base PS4 model, unless you've only played those 3 games that has some framerate issues. And what is the scam? What did Sony promise that arent delivered on?For 1080p owners is this really an upgrade at all? More downgrade imo and I'm not impressed.
Games running worse and the increased sharpness from downsampling is quite frankly, not even worth it imo. This is purely questionable due to peoples differing perception, tv size and how close they sit to their screen imo.
I feel like Sony has scammed the 1080p owners and this console is purely about 4k and HDR, regardless of what people think of the downsampling - my own fault, I know.
Question is, do Sony really give a fuck? Maybe time will tell but I aint feeling too confident a the moment that they do. Look at the low key announcement, the low key launch, the conflicting info on Pro Standards etc.
This looks more like a console for VR players and to get in the same ballpark as Scorpio for when it launches. Maybe then we'll see more improvements but will 1080p owners really be catered for? The only chance I see this happening is because all Microsofts games are gonna be scaled according to each hardware and potentially forcing Developers to do a bit more work...perhaps...
At the end of the day, it's cost me an extra £200 (£350 - £150 sale ps4) to play some games running worse than my son's original ps4.
Now I just need another £2k so I can get the KS8000 @ 65" so I can really appreciate my extra £200 investment.
For 1080p owners is this really an upgrade at all? More downgrade imo and I'm not impressed.
Games running worse and the increased sharpness from downsampling is quite frankly, not even worth it imo. This is purely questionable due to peoples differing perception, tv size and how close they sit to their screen imo.
I feel like Sony has scammed the 1080p owners and this console is purely about 4k and HDR, regardless of what people think of the downsampling - my own fault, I know.
Question is, do Sony really give a fuck? Maybe time will tell but I aint feeling too confident a the moment that they do. Look at the low key announcement, the low key launch, the conflicting info on Pro Standards etc.
This looks more like a console for VR players and to get in the same ballpark as Scorpio for when it launches. Maybe then we'll see more improvements but will 1080p owners really be catered for? The only chance I see this happening is because all Microsofts games are gonna be scaled according to each hardware and potentially forcing Developers to do a bit more work...perhaps...
At the end of the day, it's cost me an extra £200 (£350 - £150 sale ps4) to play some games running worse than my son's original ps4.
Now I just need another £2k so I can get the KS8000 @ 65" so I can really appreciate my extra £200 investment.
That's pretty damn good.
i think the pro will start selling much better once the FF15 limited edition ps4 is sold out and everything is back to normal.
I do not see the point of buying a regular PS4 if you can have the pro as a new potential customer. like, it makes zero logic unless that PS4 slim is limited edition.
Scam? lol. this post is comical AF.
anyhow. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. You can get a pro, and later get a new tv and benefit from the console already being something you own.
Anyhow. Vote with your wallet.
I really love this kind of post.
Watch Dogs drops 4 frames in a stress test --> console is shit
Battlefield improves 15-20fps and resoltution --> silence
lmao, so true.
Can't wait for the "But the VITA / 3DS upgrades sold XXX at launch" posts.
People also forget to mention Slim launched with FFXIII that sold 1.5 million at launch.172,332 N3DS XL
61,151 N3DS
Also it was launched alongside Monster Hunter 4G.
PS3 Slim launched in September 2009 in Japan, and FFXIII in December 2009, so no they weren't launched together.People also forget to mention Slim launched with FFXIII that sold 1.5 million at launch.
Context, because you know. Context.
From the perspective of Sonys expectation, Sony hopes to ship 20m PS4s and Pros this fiscal year, by end of March. Since theyve shipped 17.7m PS4s last fiscal year and PS4 sales globally has maintained its QoQ performance this fiscal year, were looking, rationally, 18-18.5m PS4s sold this fiscal year. Flat or minor growth contributed by price drop.
That means expectations for Pro are to sell around 1.5-2 million units in 5 months. When we break it down to average monthly sales, that is 300k-400k Pros per month. That means that Sony is looking at the Pro as a buoyant of around additional 30% sales on top of their regular PS4 sales trending.
Where the Pro is right now, with 100k across UK & Japan
That means 100k Pros at launch from the install base of approximately 7 million PS4s in US/UK.
7 million is roughly 15% of the PS4 install base right now, and if we extrapolate PS4 Pro week 1 sales equally, that means week 1 of Pro is around 650k Pros sold in the first week globally..
Given Black Friday and stock replenishment of Pro in other parts of the world that only have extremely limited stock, I would suggest to guess that Pro will sell at least one million by the end of the month.
Sales will naturally slow down after launch heights and BF madness, but I think it should still be relatively easy for Pro to sell another 1 million units over 4 months of December, January, February and March, especially if Feb/March starts introducing compelling Pro bundles with games like Horizon.
Is Pro doing AWESOME? Of course not.
Is Pro seemingly doing as per what Sony seems to think itll do? Seems that way looking at initial reaction.
Not wanting to pay 100$ (or the equivalent in yens) for minor visual upgrades that mostly applies in western games isn't a logic reason ?
The lead PS4 system in Japan will be the PS4 Slim, zero doubt about it.
For those wondering this is essentially 2x the number the PS4 by itself performed last week for Pro numbers. Take that what you will
A bit late for me though as I've already bought it lol!
On a projector screen that is 100inch or more, jaggies have always been a bit more apparent. So any downscaling will help a lot in creating a cleaner image. And it has spectacular results in a lot of games now already and that list will keep on growing.A bit late for me though as I've already bought it lol!
@ always I also use a 1080p Projector so I've no idea what on earth you're going on about. Again, if you read my posts, my point stands that I do not think the downsampling is worth the extra money for worse performing games. End of. Nothing to do with being a dramaqueen. I was under no illusions of a ps4 pro making my ps4 games on far higher levels of beauty - I did not however, expect games to run worse. Playing Skyrim is a fucking joke, regardless of downsampling...on my 1080p projector...
Sperm counts near Fukushima. Too soon?Is there anything in Japan lower than Xbox One lifetime ?
Disappointing ....was expecting at least 500k ...
Is there anything in Japan lower than Xbox One lifetime ?
What ? you expected more #s that the original PS4 release day sales and this is just an upgraded console ?
i don't think they even have 500k consoles in stock lol
Apple Bandai Pippin - 40KIs there anything in Japan lower than Xbox One lifetime ?
64DD is an addon though.64DD.
Not at all because it's bundled with the slim model.Wonder if games like FF15, which according to reports seems to take great advantage of the Pro's HDR capabilities(among others benefits), will perhaps boost it's sales.
i think the pro will start selling much better once the FF15 limited edition ps4 is sold out and everything is back to normal.
I do not see the point of buying a regular PS4 if you can have the pro as a new potential customer. like, it makes zero logic unless that PS4 slim is limited edition.
Not that good,imo.
Joke post?
Not at all because it's bundled with the slim model.
Okay so i guess ps4 pro is doing about just as exected given no big launch title and Japan's console market.172,332 N3DS XL
61,151 N3DS
Also it was launched alongside Monster Hunter 4G.