Fake
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The thread is about $499... keep that in mind.
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PS5 price - Seems like MediaMark NL may have leaked it
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The thread is about $499... keep that in mind.
VN1X
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Actually retarded?
Xbox Series X launches Nov 10 for $499. Pre orders start Sep 22nd.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellnavwww.neogaf.com
Series X £449 in the UK
Just had an email from Smyths....UK pricing for Series X is £449.
replicant-
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To make it competitive. If anyone of the two consoles takes a significant hit then it will be digital. The greater loss offset by the higher-margin, attachment rate and mau which naturally comes from an all-digital console.
Jtibh
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Ok hahaha where you get the extra 6gb of ram and 3 times the gpu?
We talk about ps5 here no?
VincentMatts
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399$ for a diskless no? A diskdrive doesnt cost 100$.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
because like I said 100 off looks more enticing to the consumer than 50 off. As well as for digital games they dont have to: pay for packing, pay for shipping, pay licensing deals, have third parties sell their games, have used games make them 0 profit etc. Every game they sell digitally is money in their pocket and less in third parties like Walmart, game stop, Best Buy etc. They can take that 100 loss because they eventually will make more profit from selling their digital games on their own digital store.
MrS
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VN1X
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Oh my god some of you are actually thick, somehow forgetting how consoles have been priced throughout the years in the major regions. 
Yes you thick cunts a 499eu console would be 499 dollars in NA and probably a 'lower' amount in the UK. It's not based on direct fuckin' exchange rates. Lmfao.
Yes you thick cunts a 499eu console would be 499 dollars in NA and probably a 'lower' amount in the UK. It's not based on direct fuckin' exchange rates. Lmfao.
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Dodkrake
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Per Bloomberg, they'd need to sell at 470 to keep the same gross margin:
Sony Is Struggling With PlayStation 5 Price Due to Costly Parts
Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.
www.bloomberg.com
EDIT: And this is from months ago. They ramped up production, which means costs are likely lower than that.
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Fake
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KaiserBecks
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Something tells me OP doesn‘t speak Dutch.
TheContact
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here's a translation of the full quote. this isn't a leak.
ethomaz
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I believe the plan is to have bundles only on disc-PS5 model.
So PS5 disc-model + Horizon 2 = $499
If not then it is a dumb price.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
The problem with retailers saying "the rumor is that the PS5 will be $499 and the all digital version is $399" is that it's going to be awkward if Sony can't deliver on those numbers.
Dodkrake
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Something tells me you don't know how to read. Let me re-quote myself:
Also, look at the tweet.
longdi
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PS5 cannot be any where higher than $499 after MS.
Either they take a hit because somehow the hardware design went over budget
Or
Risks being seen as arrogant Sony is back with >$499. They have over-value their first party games, consumers are willing to pay more for less powerful hardware just to play SCE titles??
Either they take a hit because somehow the hardware design went over budget
Or
Risks being seen as arrogant Sony is back with >$499. They have over-value their first party games, consumers are willing to pay more for less powerful hardware just to play SCE titles??
Roufianos
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Exact, no way does a disc drive cost a console manufacturer €100 to manufacture in bulk. Only way it would make sense is if they're purposely subsidising the all digital edition because they make more money on the games. I'd expect a €50 difference.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You're mad, it'll officially be the most expensive console released in the UK. More then the PS3 was.
I got the PS4+Extra Controller+Camera+Stand+Charger+a game for the that price
Dodkrake
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Based on the Edit on the page today, and the previous version being from July showing 499/599, it seems like they may have announced the price while saying its a rumor. This would give credence to the other rumor that Sony cut the price to 399/499 in lieu of XSX and XSS.
Hudo
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No, we're getting scammed. It's always been like that...
The Shepard
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Trojan horse for digital if that's the price. I'd still get disk.
Yea but they'd make a huge loss on the digital version with better returns on selling digital games where they make a much higher profit.
Just depends on how deep there willing to go.
Sorry, accidentally replied to you when it was aimed at the person you was replying to
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lol
Red Herring
Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue that to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.www.logicallyfallacious.com
The point is that Sony will recoup way more with the Discless. That's all. It needs to be 100 difference. 50 will leave it DOA.
I was just trying to point out, how much Microsoft sacrificed to get XSS this console to 299 (while still taking loss) and why 399 argument "just because you locked customer to digital ecosystem" is bullshit (because taking out Blu-ray drive will shave maybe 10-15 dollars from BOM cost).
And also I was trying to point out how stupid your comparison was (which it was). Because when you are selling a product with a profit (like Apple with their phones) you can do with prices whatever you want. With consoles, that are sold with loss, not so much.
And your answer is Red Herring
Are you sure they will recoup this cost? 399 for a console that has BOM cost +-450$ would mean that you will loose 150-200$ on every console sold(after other expenses around console like cut for retailers, logistics, R&D, license fees etc etc). Just imagine you will sell 3 millions of DE in first months. That would be 450 million dollars. Cool, right?
Men_in_Boxes
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Can we make a thread for all the people who said $599.99 and lock them in there? Maybe let them eat eachother and release the last remaining few back into NeoGAF proper when most have perished?
Fake
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Thats 'why' he can expect games price increase both physical and digital, but I guess some people are already used to because of Nintendo Switch standart prices.
Cert.in.Death
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We mourn for and with you for your price tariffs.
Mr. PlayStation
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Xbox Series X launches Nov 10 for $499. Pre orders start Sep 22nd.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellnav
Series X £449 in the UK
Just had an email from Smyths....UK pricing for Series X is £449.
that's not euros man, that British Pound Sterling. Learn your geography or did you skip geography classes
Dodkrake
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lol
I was just trying to point out, how much Microsoft sacrificed to get XSS this console to 299 (while still taking loss) and why 399 argument "just because you locked customer to digital ecosystem" is bullshit (because taking out Blu-ray drive will shave maybe 10-15 dollars from BOM cost).
And also I was trying to point out how stupid your comparison was (which it was). Because when you are selling a product with a profit (like Apple with their phones) you can do with prices whatever you want. With consoles, that are sold with loss, not so much.
And your answer is Red Herring
Are you sure they will recoup this cost? 399 for a console that has BOM cost +-450$ would mean that you will loose 150-200$ on every console sold(after other expenses around console like cut for retailers, logistics, R&D, license fees etc etc). Just imagine you will sell 3 millions of DE in first months. That would be 450 million dollars. Cool, right?
You are thinking short term, not long term.
PS5 has an attach rate of 9.6 games per console.
PS4 Has a Very High Software Attach Rate, Average Player Owns Around Ten Games
That's a lotwww.pushsquare.com
Playstation Store gets 30% of developer cut:
Report: Steam's 30% Cut Is Actually the Industry Standard - IGN
A breakdown of how much every major retailer takes from the sale of a game.www.ign.com
10 digital games at €/$60 with 30% cut = 180.
The PS5 digital is more profitable than the PS5 even sold at 100 cut.
WelshBluebird
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To anyone saying the difference won't be that much, once again ill point out Sony makes more money from digital games than physical games, so pushing the digital version is in their benefit and they will easily make up a $100 difference over the life of the system.
What are on on about? Its the same price the Xbox One X launched at and the same price the Xbox Series X will launch at.
What are on on about? Its the same price the Xbox One X launched at and the same price the Xbox Series X will launch at.
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Malakhov
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Consumers are willing to pay more to play first party quality titles, yeah. I mean it's pretty obvious by now.PS5 cannot be any where higher than $499 after MS.
Either they take a hit because somehow the hardware design went over budget
Or
Risks being seen as arrogant Sony is back with >$499. They have over-value their first party games, consumers are willing to pay more for less powerful hardware just to play SCE titles??
Endless Fluff
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Sony will gladly take a hit on that 399 price tag if it's true. People have to buy their games from PSN, which means Sony makes more money in the long run.
Series S and PS5 DE are going to sell best, next-next gen won't have any disc drives anymore. Watch the used market slowly dying with this generation.
Series S and PS5 DE are going to sell best, next-next gen won't have any disc drives anymore. Watch the used market slowly dying with this generation.
And they make roughly 40% more on each game sold through PSN. No Ratail cut, no price dumping because games live on the shelf for way too long. You have to buy that game at 70 bucks instead of 50 on Amazon.
Jtibh
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I would pick the digital version for 500 if it would come with 2tb ssd.
You guys keep ignoring the fact that next gen games will be above 100 gigs , maybe lot less for indie titles but lets say on average 100 gigs.
So you jump up and down for the xss with its 500g ssd though its all digital. You will buy an extra ssd and all of a suden you are at 400 bucks if not more.
The ps5 digital with 1tb ssd at 400 is now the same as xss just way more powerful.
Is the ps5 fat less valeu as xsx af 500? I dont think so. It has some features and gimmicks xsx does not have and wont have.
You get less power but more features.
Just like the switch at 400 compared to ps4 at 400. Less power but more features play as you go etc.
The xsx is just an upgraded xbox x. More power but same concept.
All console prices are fair and within reach.
And with both offering a budget option we as customers are more reluctant to give both a shot and dont have to pick sides anymore.
All of you should be happy but instead all of you shit on eachother.
You guys keep ignoring the fact that next gen games will be above 100 gigs , maybe lot less for indie titles but lets say on average 100 gigs.
So you jump up and down for the xss with its 500g ssd though its all digital. You will buy an extra ssd and all of a suden you are at 400 bucks if not more.
The ps5 digital with 1tb ssd at 400 is now the same as xss just way more powerful.
Is the ps5 fat less valeu as xsx af 500? I dont think so. It has some features and gimmicks xsx does not have and wont have.
You get less power but more features.
Just like the switch at 400 compared to ps4 at 400. Less power but more features play as you go etc.
The xsx is just an upgraded xbox x. More power but same concept.
All console prices are fair and within reach.
And with both offering a budget option we as customers are more reluctant to give both a shot and dont have to pick sides anymore.
All of you should be happy but instead all of you shit on eachother.
demigod
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Just saying they could do with knocking off 50 quid on the Disc Version
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Jtibh
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With gamestop virtualy dead and retail after this covid crap also virtualy dead digital is here to take everything over.
I dont see the need to play any games from disc. So if it saves me a 100 bucks great.
I think dont quote me on it , that microsoft will have a digital series x sometime next year for 400 bucks as well.
ethomaz
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The thread is fine because the ideia is that they are leaking the price saying too many times it is a rumor to not get caught by NDA.
They updated this rumored price today (before it was 599/499).
Coincidence?
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VincentMatts
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I saw it. Hes says it himself in the vid that its gonna be very challenging for them to keep costs down.
Yeah they can offset from the store, but that doesnt change what i said. The HW is much "better" this time around than it was in 2013 and most pieces theyre using are still very expensive today, even if they did lower in price a bit.
Well see what happens, but id be stunned to see a ps5 at 399$. I dont think its gonna happen.
DryvBy
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It's to force you into digital.
Orta
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Not a chance. £450 (best case scenario) plus lets not forget as most seem to be doing a minimum £50 for a launch title and we're at £500. Early adopters will buy it of course but five hundred quid doesn't sit easy in the UK market. Certainly not at the moment too.
apocaliptic
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Euro pricess include the sales tax which is 20%-25% based on the country. Pricess with US are most of the time 1:1, which means in this case in US it will be $399 without disk, $499 with disk
gamerguywashere
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so for 349, $50 more than series S, I get 2 second load times, and 10TF of power that could go full 1440p instead of 4k if the dev wanted?
very attractive
very attractive
TheContact
Member
yeah this is what it used to say, but it still comes off as speculation. it was probably changed to better match the price of the xbox being $499
LED Guy?
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XSX has a more powerful GPU, but not by much, it’s only 16% difference, while the PS5 has a much faster SSD storage architecture with custom I/O co-processors that will definitely set it apart from Xbox Series X, and you’ll see that in its exclusives.
Investor9872
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If Sony sells 10 million units by the end of the FY, that March 2021, at $100 loss per unit equals to $1 billion loss for Sony. At $200 loss, that's $2 billion in the 4-month launch window. Having said that, I still believe the PS5 DE will come in at $399 at launch.
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Fake
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That loss take into consideration the cost fabrication? I know that until there AMD will reduce the cost of some components.