Not really. the purpose of the ssd or hdd is to fill up ram with assets needed to load a level. with ram being only 13-14gb and ssd speeds pushing 5.5 gbps, you are looking at 3-4 second load times max.SSD brought to this gen would help it in so many ways (loading times, faster etc.) once you add on graphics, and how much developers will make open worlds bigger, planning on using thousands of more pixels SSD will essentially break even and that's really disappointing.
I would rather equate it to what moving from catridges in the 16-bit era to optical gave us. It wasn't massive a gigantic shift right away, but it was the start of something revolutionary.
I wonder why Remedy only references PS5. I hope they haven't stopped producing games for my beloved Xbox.
Edit: just looked at the article. It's from 2019. Phew... hope Sony don't buy them. I love their games.
I just watched both of the new DF videos on XBox Series X and everything they showed was great. I like everything they are doing with the console. All the consideration put into performance and efficiency. Plus all the positive user-facing features and developer-friendly features.
The expandable storage is also really awesome.
Having said all that, no matter how hard I try, I just don't seem to be able to get excited by Xbox and I don't know why. It's a real shame. I feel like there is even less chance of me buying an Xbox now than ever before.
It's possible that to me, Microsoft is the Windows company, and I don't really hate Windows at all even though I'm a Mac user, but lately I've been using Linux more. I use all the OSes.
I think the only thing that could make me buy an Xbox Series X is if I could install Windows on it.
yeah, you could be right.That's also probably an apt comparison considering the relative tradeoffs (SSDs being more expensive vs. disc or platter HDDs, in terms of price-per-GB, etc).
We can probably also compare PS5's SSD to a normal-sized DVD and XSX's SSD to a Gamecube mini-disc. Not necessarily due to size but because what those disc formats meant for bandwidth of data access off of them for that generation. Just as really basic analogies, though.
Yeah. I actually love Xbox now. Fuck Sony and their less TFlops.
Exactly. I think there's a certain logic to that and might result in worse games over time and lots of shovelware if it's too easy to wring every last drop of power out of the machine.With more power comes less need for optimization.
Exactly. I think there's a certain logic to that and might result in worse games over time and lots of shovelware if it's too easy to wring every last drop of power out of the machine.
That's what he was saying lazy developers will not optimize.I just don't see how that'd be possible outside of sloppy coding.
The ps5 outputs 5.5GB/s of data from the ssd, and since it seems it all uses compression that turns into 8-9GB/s of data arriving at ram. With 16GB of ram, that means in two seconds the entire ram has been filled with brand new data.
I think everyone should take a moment to reflect on "how not to be".Of course you would think that. That's why you're not a dev or engineer
Yeah reason I say sounds like he saying some developers will be lazy about their coding. Only thing I can take from that.It's kind of a silly situation though.
"Devs might not optimise data on the faster machine so you get the same loading times"
"Devs might not optimise their graphics on the faster machine so you get the same graphics"
I mean yeah that could happen but that's on the dev.
That's very true and insightful of you. You fill the RAM and you're in the game. That article is not making sense nowI would like to know where all this data would be loading to because if the main RAM is 16GB & the SSD is 5.5GB/s & the decompression hardware can move up to 20GB/s how can a dev be bad enough to make the loading times as slow as games using a HDD?
I think everyone should take a moment to reflect on "how not to be".
Suppose it depends on the game. Would need the devloper's intent of eliminating load times. Others we'll still get some loadtimes, but as O onQ123 alluded to, it's almost impossible for load times to be longer than the time it would take to fill up the RAM for the first time, which is in the seconds.People is really expecting SNES like loading times? lol I mean LOL
Its must have been hard feeling dead inside all these 7 years just wait untill they found out there is a PS5 PRO launching along side base PS5Are you forgetting ALL THEM YEARS they had to endure the PS4 shitting all over the XboxOne?
Their rage has been building up to this point, my good sir. Now they can finally feel better!
PS5 SSD May Not Necessarily Translate into Much Quicker Loading Times, Says Remedy Technical Director
By Alessio Palumbo / Nov 22, 2019
Nov 22, 2019
2019
Why would Xbox gamers be happy about this? XSX has a fast SSD as well :/So you mean someone posted an article from 2019 trying to start shit? You Xbox fans are something else man.
You are expecting way too much out of devs.I fully expected this. The SSD isn't only there to decrease loading times, that's just one (relatively minor) factor. Games need to be made and thought about totally differently than today to see the true advantages, but the potential is massive in the area of game design, not necessarily loading times.
Why would Xbox gamers be happy about this? XSX has a fast SSD as well :/
I'm actually not expecting hardly any devs to properly take advantage of the SSD except for 1st party. At least initially.You are expecting way too much out of devs.
I posted it. Happened to see the article. Didn't realize it was last year. And I even stated at the bottom it will affect XSX too. Wasn't trying to start anything.Its obvious whoever posted this was trying to console war and didn’t realize it would also affect Xbox. In reality, it’s Remedy being lazy asses and not wanting to optimize their game. You would think they would have learned their lesson after how badly Control ran, but I guess not.
I mentioned that in the other thread except the usual ps5 idiots kept suggesting I didn't watch the Cerny PS5 presentation.where production
might be cheaper and faster when not optimising content
In his presentation, Cerny talks about streaming ssd/ram. A player look around in 0.5s, and ssd puts 4GB on RAM.
Maybe 13GB RAM for games could be not sufficient for big open-world 4k games. And streaming ssd/ram could be the smart thing to do.
So you mean someone posted an article from 2019 trying to start shit? You Xbox fans are something else man.
No one is trying to downplay the PS5 SSD, however many people are greatly overstating the implications of it not only by itself but also against the Series X solution.Yeh, show me where people are making duplicate threads of things that have already been discussed.
Faster loading times on Scarlett/PS5 will be dependent on optimisation and developer priorities (AI, Gfx, physics, HFR)
Remedy developers clears the elephant in the room about loading times..... https://www.tweaktown.com/news/68899/ps5s-ssd-benefit-ps4-games/amp.htmlwww.neogaf.com
The level of desperation and anxiety around the PS5 SSD's potential strengths is palpable.
Xbox fans are too busy trying to downplay the PS5's SSD instead of enthusiastically talking about the Series X's strengths and what it will mean for games on the platform.
For shame.
What does the date have to do with anything? What was true then is true now.Nov 22, 2019
PS5 SSD May Not Necessarily Translate into Much Quicker Loading Times, Says Remedy Technical Director
The PS5 SSD is much faster theoretically, however whether loading times will be much quicker in games also depends on how much data is in usewccftech.com
This will definitely apply to XSX games.
No one is trying to downplay the PS5 SSD
One thing people don't bring up much with the PS5 SSD situation is that it may be user replaceable but it's not user expandable.
PS5 does not have an expansion port, you literally have to REMOVE the current drive and replace it with a bigger drive to increase storage.
If you have a Series X and you want 2 TB of storage you buy one of the 1TB expansion cards and plug it in
If you have a PS5 and want 2 TB of storage you have to buy a 2TB PCIE 4 SSD that is capable of 5.5 gbps, that is going to cost near as much as the PS5 itself for at least a few years. Those drives aren't even out yet.
For all practical purposes you are pretty much ,ocked into the 825 GB you get with the PS5.
This is a major flaw in Sony's design