TearInto5th
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With the huge momentum Sony has going into this next generation, this could happen a lot faster than it ever has. Shortages everywhere.
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PS5 Vs Xbox Series X: First To 10 Million Sales Wins, Says Peter Moore
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The Shift
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Are you sure Hendrick's? Really sure? Is there a grading system to be a gamer? If achieved can that certification be revoked? So many questions
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They can still play games and continue to be ignorant, but they are toxic for the hobby.Are you sure Hendrick's? Really sure? Is there a grading system to be a gamer? If achieved can that certification be revoked? So many questions
Sander Cohen
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So are we, plebs, now allowed to console war if executives are doing it? I mean, this sounds like some 12 year old wrote it.
TigerKnee
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kraspkibble
Permabanned.
The idea of one winning is stupid.
Buy whatever console interests you most. You should be the one winning. Not some multi billion dollar corporation. Have some damn respect for yourselves.
Imagine your life being so pathetic you are so interested in these companies. I could understand if you had shares in them... But this is like you paying them to let you suck their dick.
Buy whatever console interests you most. You should be the one winning. Not some multi billion dollar corporation. Have some damn respect for yourselves.
Imagine your life being so pathetic you are so interested in these companies. I could understand if you had shares in them... But this is like you paying them to let you suck their dick.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
I know you're trying to be funny but just stop it you're making a fool of yourself.
Microsoft will make a shit load of money from Windows licenses + Xbox subscriptions + hardware sales. They don't need to "win".
Says a lot about you if you think they should give up because they aren't winning this imaginary competition.
If Microsoft gave up then Sony would have zero competition. They could do whatever they want. Charge $1,000 a console and $100 a game. Sure some Sony fanboys would happily lube up and bend over for them but even if you are a staunch af Sony boy you should realize how important Microsoft are.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
Yup. That's a reason this whole topic is dumb.
Xbox One might not have sold the most consoles but they managed to turn shit around this generation too.
MasterCornholio
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Well it's up to Microsoft to make sure that doesn't happen. Successful products stay in the market while failures leave it. It's just the way business works. The market isn't a utopia for console makers it's actually pretty competitive. It's up to them to produce products that gamers want to support. And if the gamers don't want the product that's on them.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
What gets me is the way that the significance of digital buy-in is downplayed.
The plain fact is that if you have already invested thousands of dollars into your platform of choice (both in terms of purchases and stuff gifted to you as loyalty bonuses for being part of a service) switching is a big change.
Its not going to be nearly so easy to get people to switch sides as it was last time because (1) digital has grown massively since 2013, (2) we are not at the end of an extended gen where many people were kinda jaded by the software on offer.
The bottom line is that the success of the 360 was massively overstated for most of its lifetime while the gains Sony made re-habbing the PS3 tended to be overlooked. At the end of that gen Sony were clearly in the acendancy sales and mindshare-wise, while Xbox was declining.
This is not the situation we have now. Not even close.
The plain fact is that if you have already invested thousands of dollars into your platform of choice (both in terms of purchases and stuff gifted to you as loyalty bonuses for being part of a service) switching is a big change.
Its not going to be nearly so easy to get people to switch sides as it was last time because (1) digital has grown massively since 2013, (2) we are not at the end of an extended gen where many people were kinda jaded by the software on offer.
The bottom line is that the success of the 360 was massively overstated for most of its lifetime while the gains Sony made re-habbing the PS3 tended to be overlooked. At the end of that gen Sony were clearly in the acendancy sales and mindshare-wise, while Xbox was declining.
This is not the situation we have now. Not even close.
Stuart360
Member
This is such a stupid fanboy post. I mean even if you despise Microsoft, which you clearly do, why the hell would you want Sony to have zero competition, because Nintendo live in their own bubble and are no competition to what Sony is doing.
Also 50mil sales is far from bad. Most companies would love to have a product sell half that much. Just because Sony is well ahead doesnt change that.
Stuart360
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Also regardless of what Phil and Microsoft say publicly, i doubt anyone there believes that can outsell PS5 worldwide. This is a rebound gen for them, try and claw back some of the lost market share, but PS5 will 'win' the gen. If Microsoft have a great gen with a ton of gamer goodwill etc, who knows what will happen with any potential Xbox 5 and PS6. This gen though, PS5 has it in the bag.
IntentionalPun
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Dumb statement for multiple reasons; either way Sony is pretty much guaranteed to be the market leader in overall sales and revenue by a mile.
At this point a "win" for the Xbox division would be to still be in a positive light with Microsoft's board after 5 years. It's incredibly unlikely they achieve that by "winning" the generation in a traditional sense. Honestly think there's only a 50/50 chance they continue on after this generation because I really don't think cloud gaming is going to take off, and that's the main reason they have the attention of their CEO/board of directors. Hopefully a solid generation of sales is enough.
At this point a "win" for the Xbox division would be to still be in a positive light with Microsoft's board after 5 years. It's incredibly unlikely they achieve that by "winning" the generation in a traditional sense. Honestly think there's only a 50/50 chance they continue on after this generation because I really don't think cloud gaming is going to take off, and that's the main reason they have the attention of their CEO/board of directors. Hopefully a solid generation of sales is enough.
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EverydayBeast
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SONY and Microsoft should be ashamed if they don't reach 10 million
Kokoloko85
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I dont really count the wii as the usual consoles Lol and I dont think many people do. It was launched at like £180, as strong as there last console and my grandma had one. That gen it was between 360 vs PS3 |
Gavon West
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Microsoft could hit 10 million just here in the states alone. Not to mention the other territories. Still, I don't think its going be all about console sales next gen. The industry has grown tremendously and its much bigger than just consoles. Subscriptions will be a priority one next gen IMO.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Peter Moore still kicking around saying stupid shit? What a fucking shocker.
Not everyone wants to buy a build a PC to play Microsoft's software. A console is still by and large the simplest way to play videogames for the majority of customers.
Not everyone wants to buy a build a PC to play Microsoft's software. A console is still by and large the simplest way to play videogames for the majority of customers.
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Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
They don't get that Sony isn't guaranteed anything next gen. Again, this is a Microsoft now that we've never seen before. No one has any idea what's going to happen. If they were still the Microsoft of old in the gaming space, they might have a point. Fact is, their not. They don't resemble the old Microsoft in any way, shape or form.
Totally different animal now.
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JareBear: Remastered
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Well, yeah, many of us have been wondering how much loss MS is willing/able to eat per box sold in order to get a strong jumpstart out the gates this gen, hopefully starting to bridge the sales gap over the next few years. I don't know if being the first to 10mil means you win the gen, but it sure wouldn't hurt, right?
Can't tell if this is serious or not.
BattleScar
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Just cause you don't count the Wii as a 7th Gen console, doesn't mean it wasn't one.
It released around the same time and it dumpstered both the PS3 and the 360 in terms of sales and likely profits.
The PS3 was a money pit like no other, and Microsoft had to offer a hilarious number of RMA's cause of RROD.
Vawn
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So first to be able to make 10 million consoles amidst COVID, wins?
I think it's telling, but it doesn't always work that way - it's a marathon, not a sprint. Look at PS3 vs 360.
Not to sound cocky on behalf of PlayStation, but Sony will win unless they MASSIVELY mess up and do so throughout the entire generation. PlayStation is just a bigger entity worldwide than Xbox.
I think it's telling, but it doesn't always work that way - it's a marathon, not a sprint. Look at PS3 vs 360.
Not to sound cocky on behalf of PlayStation, but Sony will win unless they MASSIVELY mess up and do so throughout the entire generation. PlayStation is just a bigger entity worldwide than Xbox.
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Vawn
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You do realize Microsoft doesn't own the PC platform, right? Nor do they have a store that is close to being as popular as Steam.
Any non-Microsoft game that sells on Xbox, MS gets 30%. On Steam, EGS, etc they get 0%. Any first-party MS game on Xbox gets them 100%, where on Steam, they get 70%.
Microsoft would MUCH rather you play on THEIR closed ecosystem. That does not include PC. They do sell games on other platforms in order to sell software (at a lower revenue) to people who won't be buying an Xbox anyway - PC and Switch gamers.
TigerKnee
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I mean there's no question who's going to win so this metric is totally meaningless. Regardless of who gets to 10mil or not, both companies will do well.
IntentionalPun
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Beyond being barely used MS also only takes like a 10-15% cut on Windows Store sales lol
Gravemind
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Sony will no doubt sell more units in the long run, theres really no way around that, and this is coming from someone who admittedly prefers Xbox, but always buys both.
This idea that the first console to 10m units "wins" is pretty foolish though. If the leaks are true and Sony will only have 7 million or so units ready for launch, and Microsoft has 10m or whatever, does that mean Sony loses the generation because they had less stock at launch and got beat to 10m first? No.
With that said I dont really consider "units sold" an indicator of which console is better overall anyway. It's not a popularity contest. It's about games, hardware, prices/value, and services for me. Whichever console provides the best overall experience, is the one I consider to have "won" the generation. For me, the 360 had the better experience over the PS3, and the PS4 had the better experience over the Xbox One. This generation though, I think it should be pretty close between the PS5 and XSX, in terms of the overall experience.
I like what I'm hearing from both camps in terms of the factors that actually matter to the average gamer. Not the financial bottom line, which doesnt effect me at all.
This idea that the first console to 10m units "wins" is pretty foolish though. If the leaks are true and Sony will only have 7 million or so units ready for launch, and Microsoft has 10m or whatever, does that mean Sony loses the generation because they had less stock at launch and got beat to 10m first? No.
With that said I dont really consider "units sold" an indicator of which console is better overall anyway. It's not a popularity contest. It's about games, hardware, prices/value, and services for me. Whichever console provides the best overall experience, is the one I consider to have "won" the generation. For me, the 360 had the better experience over the PS3, and the PS4 had the better experience over the Xbox One. This generation though, I think it should be pretty close between the PS5 and XSX, in terms of the overall experience.
I like what I'm hearing from both camps in terms of the factors that actually matter to the average gamer. Not the financial bottom line, which doesnt effect me at all.
GobbledeeGoo
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Yeah, no. Guessing MS will undercut the price of the PS5 to get those 10 million.
yurinka
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360 was released with a release entry price of like half the price of a PS3 and was released like a year (or in case of EU, the main PS market, around a year and a half) before than PS3.
With these conditions 360 would have been a completed disaster to don't reach 10M before PS3.
But to reach the first 10M doesn't mean a shit, because PS3 outsold 360 if we look at the complete generation.
To be the first to reach 10M doesn't mean it will win the generation.
And this even happened when Sony made a lot of mistakes with PS3 and its launch, which was pretty much a disaster. But Sony learnt from their mistakes, fixed some things during the PS3 generations and another ones for PS4 -and for what we know seems it's going to be the case-, PS5. Sony is pretty likely to dominate the generation with PS5 as they are doing with PS4. Only having a highly unappealing price (over $599 and being over $100 more expensive than MS) and or getting a major delay of a year or so would avoid a major PS5 domination, and still in that case PS5 would very likely win at the end of the generation.
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IntentionalPun
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Isn't Sony only making 5 million it's 1st year?
I am sure with the right marketing people who can't get a PS5 will buy a XSX.
So MS needs to have much more XSX made and they can grab those people.
I am sure with the right marketing people who can't get a PS5 will buy a XSX.
So MS needs to have much more XSX made and they can grab those people.
thelastword
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I've heard that before...... Sony won.
ScarletSpider
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mckmas8808
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That's the thing.....when Playstation screws up they only sell 86 million consoles.
Entroyp
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That wasn’t a screw up.. it was a royal screw up, and then it ended at 86 million which is impressive.
The only way the PS5 screws up is it’s $600 or more or if failure rates surpass 10%...
Bryank75
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PS5 will win easily... the issue is that Xbox isn't very popular globally.
Even if PlayStation has a terrible launch in USA, it would still be pretty close to XBox there but then consider Europe where it has 70 to 90% of the market, then add middle east, Japan and other markets....
I still think USA is up for grabs, maybe UK could swing Xbox but overall... not a chance.
Even if PlayStation has a terrible launch in USA, it would still be pretty close to XBox there but then consider Europe where it has 70 to 90% of the market, then add middle east, Japan and other markets....
I still think USA is up for grabs, maybe UK could swing Xbox but overall... not a chance.
