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PSN still down, internal testers online in various games though

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I do hope that once PSN is back up they will release some super demos that will make people forget all the shit that sony has pulled on us.

Uncharted 3 demo.
TRICO demo.

Yes this would make me forget all the shit sony did.
 
Kunan said:
You're right all of the addresses included including the one that sent it are legit. This is not good. I contacted sales just now.
Smart man. Do you use any mods on your WoW? If you even have one mod that has a password stealer in it, you could be fucked. I've never seen any MMO get accounts hacked more than WoW.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Kunan said:
You're right all of the addresses included including the one that sent it are legit. This is not good. I contacted sales just now.
Are you sure that the email adress just inst spoofed so it looks like it is from Blizzard? But contact Blizzard about it anyway indeed.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
robertsan21 said:
Yes this would make me forget all the shit sony did.

Outside of the GAF and general internet bubble most people will forget, or likely don't even know all the "shit Sony did" less than a week after it's up.

My opinion.
 

Koomaster

Member
GavinGT said:
okenny said:
Sony's had less bumps in the road than most other platform holders and this is the thanks you show them? I've been angry about this as much as the next guy but it takes a sane person to know when to push and when to forgive. I'm going to do my part by spending $80 on PSN when it comes back up and I suggest you do the same... I suggest everyone of the 77 million users do the same. Imagine what 1.6 billion dollars can do for a company like Sony after this kind of crisis. We should all be thinking about what we can do to help. If Sony goes down, could you seriously live with all those lost jobs on your head? My friend always said people in stone glasses can't through houses. He was right in many ways even though he was wrong in the head; I knew what he meant. You could learn a thing or two about optimism from him.
For the new page.
TiRbE.gif


Was that post in jest yes? I'm otherwise not really convinced I should be handing over heaping gobs of cash to Sony at this point in time.
 
Koomaster said:
TiRbE.gif


Was that post in jest yes? I'm otherwise not really convinced I should be handing over heaping gobs of cash to Sony at this point in time.
Jesus, I haven't seen that movie in forever. Disney hasn't released it yet on Bluray, have they? They need to get on the ball with that shit!
 

LiK

Member
duckroll said:
Yeah it's just another worthless update. They're still working on the final stages of verifying the new security systems, blahblahblah, they hope to get systems back as soon as possible, security is their utmost concern, thank you for understanding, etc.
Indeed. End of the week right? :D
 

Kunan

Member
test_account said:
Are you sure that the email adress just inst spoofed so it looks like it is from Blizzard? But contact Blizzard about it anyway indeed.
The Visa number at the end was wrong lol. False alarm, sorry folks. Just phishing I guess, although I don't know what they hope to achieve from me by sending such an email.


Solstice said:
Smart man. Do you use any mods on your WoW? If you even have one mod that has a password stealer in it, you could be fucked. I've never seen any MMO get accounts hacked more than WoW.
Nope haven't played WoW, but play SC2
 

Oni Jazar

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I know everyone has been upset at how poorly Sony has been at communicating with users with status updates, but not a lot of talk at how poorly Sony has been at resolving/upgrading their security with minimal downtime.

Their "shut everything down and completely overhaul the security infrastructure of the entire system" seems unnecessary. It seems to me the best approach to handling the hack is this:

1) When discovering that the system may have been compromised, shut down the servers.

2) After discovering that user account information has been compromised:
* force reset of all user passwords by email
* update server software and firewalls
* remove all credit card information from system (either delete the records or disconnect that database)
* restore services back online except for credit card entry and credit card transactions. Purchases must be made by redeeming PSN cards.

3) Take this time to completely overhaul the security of PSN. Move database to a different location, add better firewalls, maximize security monitoring systems, etc, etc, etc.

Update security on back end and with new firmware within the month.

I think that this is how normal software companies would handle a situation like this. Isolate the danger areas and resume normal operation of everything else asap.
 

ultron87

Member
Kunan said:
You're right all of the addresses included including the one that sent it are legit. This is not good. I contacted sales just now.

You can fake email addresses.

But if you are actually compromised (and even if you aren't) you should add a Blizzard Authenticator to your Battle.net account once you get everything back under control. Makes it pretty much impossible for you to lose control of your account.
 

Kunan

Member
Solstice said:
Wow, good catch on that. God damned phishers.
Sorry if I scared anyone there for a second. No idea what they think they could get out of me by sending a statement like that lol.
 

GavinGT

Banned
Koomaster said:
TiRbE.gif


Was that post in jest yes? I'm otherwise not really convinced I should be handing over heaping gobs of cash to Sony at this point in time.

Judging by his other posts, and his complete absence from this thread after we all started railing on him.....I'm going with 'real'.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Oni Jazar said:
I know everyone has been upset at how poorly Sony has been at communicating with users with status updates, but not a lot of talk at how poorly Sony has been at resolving/upgrading their security with minimal downtime.

Their "shut everything down and completely overhaul the security infrastructure of the entire system" seems unnecessary. It seems to me the best approach to handling the hack is this:

1) When discovering that the system may have been compromised, shut down the servers.

2) After discovering that user account information has been compromised:
* force reset of all user passwords by email
* update server software and firewalls
* remove all credit card information from system (either delete the records or disconnect that database)
* restore services back online except for credit card entry and credit card transactions. Purchases must be made by redeeming PSN cards.

3) Take this time to completely overhaul the security of PSN. Move database to a different location, add better firewalls, maximize security monitoring systems, etc, etc, etc.

Update security on back end and with new firmware within the month.

I think that this is how normal software companies would handle a situation like this. Isolate the danger areas and resume normal operation of everything else asap.

At this point I think PSN was held together by string, and it's taking a long time to put it back together again.
 
Oni Jazar said:
I know everyone has been upset at how poorly Sony has been at communicating with users with status updates, but not a lot of talk at how poorly Sony has been at resolving/upgrading their security with minimal downtime.

Their "shut everything down and completely overhaul the security infrastructure of the entire system" seems unnecessary. It seems to me the best approach to handling the hack is this:

1) When discovering that the system may have been compromised, shut down the servers.

2) After discovering that user account information has been compromised:
* force reset of all user passwords by email
* update server software and firewalls
* remove all credit card information from system (either delete the records or disconnect that database)
* restore services back online except for credit card entry and credit card transactions. Purchases must be made by redeeming PSN cards.

3) Take this time to completely overhaul the security of PSN. Move database to a different location, add better firewalls, maximize security monitoring systems, etc, etc, etc.

Update security on back end and with new firmware within the month.

I think that this is how normal software companies would handle a situation like this. Isolate the danger areas and resume normal operation of everything else asap.

Maybe you're right -- and I have no better knowledge with which to discredit you -- but none of us can really know what the system they're running is like, and what needs to be done to improve things, etc.

At this point, it really is just speculation. I genuinely feel if it could be up now, it would. I don't think they're keeping it offline for the sake of it or whatever.
 

Oni Jazar

Member
get2sammyb said:
Maybe you're right -- and I have no better knowledge with which to discredit you -- but none of us can really know what the system they're running is like, and what needs to be done to improve things, etc.

At this point, it really is just speculation. I genuinely feel if it could be up now, it would. I don't think they're keeping it offline for the sake of it or whatever.

Maybe they thought they could get it up within a week or so (which was stupid to think that. The amount of testing required to completely overhaul the security of a system like PSN including a new FW update would be a nightmare).
 

GavinGT

Banned
I'm sort of amazed that Klepek called this right when the outages first occurred and the rebuilding was announced. He said it would probably take way longer than they were projecting, and that their real goal would need to be getting it back up before E3.
 

Koomaster

Member
Solstice said:
Jesus, I haven't seen that movie in forever. Disney hasn't released it yet on Bluray, have they? They need to get on the ball with that shit!
I think they released a DVD version a few years ago, then of course it went back in their Vault. If we're lucky maybe for the movie's 50th anniversary (in 2 years) they will put it out on Blu-ray? Otherwise I'd say the wait is another 10 years.
 

Princess Skittles

Prince's's 'Skittle's
Solstice said:
Jesus, I haven't seen that movie in forever. Disney hasn't released it yet on Bluray, have they? They need to get on the ball with that shit!
It'll probably be a few years before Disney starts putting the lesser known animated flicks on Blu.

They did rereleases of The Black Cauldron and Lilo and Stitch last year on DVD only. It made me sad.
 

mbmonk

Member
LMAO. I love that post by okenny. I appreciated it; I need a good laugh to soften the impact of yet "a few more days" update.

Thank you okenny :)
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Kimo said:
PlaystationNL said on twitter that a selective group is testing the network. Territories= Japan(asia), Europa & United states.

DailyVacation.

edit: Awesome if true. It's really getting old to see. No news day after day after day.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Kosma said:
What are the chances this was done by disgruntled (ex) Sony employees? I wouldn't be surprised too much to be honest.

Same chances that it's true in my book. We know nothing. Status quo.
 
Kosma said:
What are the chances this was done by disgruntled (ex) Sony employees? I wouldn't be surprised too much to be honest.
Maybe slightly more likely than anything else. Though, if anyone's gonna hold a grudge against Sony, exemployees are the most likely.
 

Kosma

Banned
They are less then an ideal employer to be honest, that's why I'm so surprised when people think they actually care about their customers beyond the $$$ they bring.
 
It begins!

Gamer patience begins to wear thin as retailers report increased trade-ins of PS3 consoles for Xbox 360s.

The ongoing PlayStation Network outage is beginning to have an effect on the high street, Edge can reveal.

Our sources indicate a growing trend of PS3 consoles being traded in for cash or Xbox 360s, slumping sales of PSN points cards and a shift in the ratio of multiplatform game sales and pre-orders away from PS3.

“In the first week of downtime we did not really see any major change in sales or trades,” says one source, a store manager at a major UK retailer speaking on condition of anonymity. “However from the second week onwards we have seen an increase of over 200 per cent on PS3 consoles being traded in, split almost 50/50 between those trading for cash and those taking a 360 instead.”

Another source, working for an independent retailer in the South West, said he had seen a “massive increase” in the volume of PS3s traded in in recent weeks, with most exchanging for an Xbox 360. He describes those trading in their PS3s as “the hardcore online shooter crowd” – players who spend most of their gaming time playing the same game online, and who are therefore greatly impacted by the outage.

Tom Mestdagh, of Belgian indie Gameswap – the only retailer we spoke to happy to go on the record - agrees. “At the end of each month people come to sell their consoles,” he tells us. “People that need money [to pay bills]. What’s different this time around is that that they are bringing in PS3s together with all their games and they don’t want money, they want an Xbox 360. In every case it is because of Black Ops and or Modern Warfare 2.

“We’re just ten days into the month and already we have an increase of 200 per cent in PS3s coming into the store compared to all of March. Normally we sell them really fast, but not this time. We’ve only sold 30 to 40 per cent of our inventory right now.”

The outage is also affecting game-buying habits, with all of our sources reporting increased levels of trade-ins of Call Of Duty: Black Ops for PS3, with the Xbox 360 release relatively thin on the ground.

It is a fact borne out by the recent UK all-formats software charts. In the week ending March 16, 49 per cent of sales of Black Ops were for Xbox 360, with 37 per cent buying the PS3 version. The following week PS3 sales actually increased, split 52/40 in PS3’s favour.

Sony took PS3 offline on April 20, and informed consumers of the breach on April 26. The difference in sales figures since is telling: in the week ending April 30, Black Ops sales were split 59/30 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour; last week the distance grew even further, with 66 per cent of sales on Xbox 360, and a mere 24 per cent of buyers taking the PS3 version.

The same pattern can be seen in sales of FIFA 11, another hugely popular online title. In the week ending April 16, the split was 49/37 per cent in Xbox 360’s favour, 46/34 the week after, 52/26 in the week ending April 30 and 49/21 last week.

Our high street source reports that “pre-orders have been cancelled and flipped over to 360 versions of games,” with Mestdagh telling us: “People are cancelling their order of Brink for PS3. People that have an Xbox 360 have switched their pre-orders – others are just cancelling entirely.” Sales of PSN points cards, too, have plummeted over the past couple of weeks.

Perhaps the biggest shift, though, has been in customer satisfaction. Our high street source explains: “A lot of people have been phoning asking us about personal details on PSN as they are struggling to get a response from Sony themselves. Overall, people that have traded with us seem annoyed at how Sony has handled all of this, and say they would not trust them with details again in the future.”

Another source, who works for an independent retailer in northern England, says he has not noticed any significant increase in PS3 consoles being traded in, but said: “All we’ve seen is an incredible amount of disgruntled people annoyed that they can’t play online.” Mestdagh says that those who normally drop in for a spot of friendly console warfare “have stopped complaining about the fact that Microsoft charges for Xbox Live. It used to be a big problem for most of our PS3 customers.”

Of course, it must be noted that this is a small sample, and it seems that only those desperate for their online fix have taken the drastic step of ditching their PS3s entirely, but it is telling nonetheless.

UK hardware sales are rarely reported or broken down by platform, and Game, the UK’s biggest specialist retailer, failed to respond to a request for comment. As such we may never form a true picture of just how severely the PSN outage is affecting retailers, or those who are the most affected by the downtime, who have rarely been considered by media coverage to date: gamers.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/psn-outage-begins-to-hit-retail
 

kvn

Member
Kimo said:
PlaystationNL said on twitter that a selective group is testing the network. Territories= Japan(asia), Europa & United states.

This is the corresponding tweet:
Op dit moment is een selecte groep het netwerk aan het testen. Territories= Japan(Azië), Europa & Amerika

I want to be one of them :(

Another interesting one:
Eerst gaat inderdaad online gaming komen, de games (het Welcome Back progr.) komt pas later.

Online gaming first, welcome back program later.
 

Chris_C

Member
Oni Jazar said:
I know everyone has been upset at how poorly Sony has been at communicating with users with status updates, but not a lot of talk at how poorly Sony has been at resolving/upgrading their security with minimal downtime.

Their "shut everything down and completely overhaul the security infrastructure of the entire system" seems unnecessary. It seems to me the best approach to handling the hack is this:

1) When discovering that the system may have been compromised, shut down the servers.

2) After discovering that user account information has been compromised:
* force reset of all user passwords by email
* update server software and firewalls
* remove all credit card information from system (either delete the records or disconnect that database)
* restore services back online except for credit card entry and credit card transactions. Purchases must be made by redeeming PSN cards.

3) Take this time to completely overhaul the security of PSN. Move database to a different location, add better firewalls, maximize security monitoring systems, etc, etc, etc.

Update security on back end and with new firmware within the month.

I think that this is how normal software companies would handle a situation like this. Isolate the danger areas and resume normal operation of everything else asap.

This post right here is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with the internet.
 

enewtabie

Member
Kosma said:
They are less then an ideal employer to be honest, that's why I'm so surprised when people think they actually care about their customers beyond the $$$ they bring.

What dept did you work in at Sony?
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Kunan said:
The Visa number at the end was wrong lol. False alarm, sorry folks. Just phishing I guess, although I don't know what they hope to achieve from me by sending such an email.
So there was no link that you could click on in that link? But good that it wasnt a real VISA number and real billing though :)


Speedymanic said:
Posted on another forum I frequent....

http://i.imgur.com/TBFyU.jpg

lol.
Exclusive mission in GTA 5 for PS3? =)
 

SmokyDave

Member
I don't understand why these 'hardcore online shooter players' were on the PS3 in the first place. If CoD is that important, surely you'd already be playing it on 360?

Seems weird to me.
 
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