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Rayman Origins: New 2D Rayman game [U-CONF]
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Right, but my point is that even other first party Nintendo quality platformers (Wario Land) don't sell that well.kame-sennin said:
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Hell Yes! What a great surprise I love Rayman.
I love the animation and the art style looks fantastic.
I love the animation and the art style looks fantastic.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Artstyle is fricken amazing!! If this is Co-op then I am totally in love. 
kame-sennin
Member
The_Technomancer said:
Wario is more of a scavenger hunt game though, isn't it? As far as I know, Nintendo only put out two 2D platformers and Wario Land wasn't as mainstream in terms of game design. It's also important to note that it came out before NSMB. Sometimes the market needs a big game to make a splash before smaller games in the same genre can be successful.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Fair enough. And I will agree that almost all the other major efforts this gen have definitely been niche or mediocre.kame-sennin said:
Actually, it would be really interesting to see, if Ubi gave this retail release and a major marketing push, how would it do? Rayman is definitely no Mario, or even Sonic, but he's definitly got some brand.
Also, anything else on Rabbids Time Travel? I loved Go Home, and I would kill for a similar game, but with more polish and variety.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
I love that they're making a new 2D Rayman, and I love that they're using 2D art.
But god almighty, I hate the art style.
But god almighty, I hate the art style.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Wow, this looks really good. Nice surprise.
Saint Gregory
Member
Best thing to come out of E3 so far. So unexpected and so beautiful
distantmantra
Member
Pennywise83 said:
Why is that?
Someone did it. They FINALLY did it! I've been saying for years that someone should make a modern 2D platformer that used insane, hand drawn animation rather than 3D sprites and now FINALLY someone has done it. They seem to have even made a special game engine for the job (the Ubi Art Framework)!
Yes, I know Braid did something similar, but this is waaay more what I had in mind.
Yes, I know Braid did something similar, but this is waaay more what I had in mind.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Just a reminder that it is a-ok to speculate or discuss why developers make platform choices or how they effect game sales or target demographics or anything like that.
But if your post boils done to "fuck them it's bullshit that it's not on my favourite platform", that's not okay. It doesn't contribute to discussion, it doesn't change anything, and it comes off as bratty and entitled.
But if your post boils done to "fuck them it's bullshit that it's not on my favourite platform", that's not okay. It doesn't contribute to discussion, it doesn't change anything, and it comes off as bratty and entitled.
GitarooMan
Member
This looks fantastic, great surprise.
deadmuffin
Member
2 player co-op? Thats what it looks like to me anyway...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
*cough*ckohler said:
Jus' sayin
phalestine
aka iby.h
Holy shit at the art in the game. <3 2D
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
best announcement of the show so far. the game looks like it has so much potential.
Basileus777
Member
deadmuffin said:
That's the impression I got. Hopefully it's handled well.
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Deleted member 30609
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this is a great policy. much better than the old Epic Mickey styled "say the words? BANNED".Stumpokapow said:
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Superb :O
I'd loved for the animation to be up to snuff tho, similar to Wario's, since this looks more like flash based games/Behemot's Castle Crashers...
I'd loved for the animation to be up to snuff tho, similar to Wario's, since this looks more like flash based games/Behemot's Castle Crashers...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well there are always valid arguments why something isn't on a platform. Usually something is exclusively on Wii because either they feel the market for the game is more on that console or they can't afford the exorbitant development costs required to make a competitive game on the PS360 retail market. And usually something is exclusively on the PS360 because they feel that the market for that game is more on those consoles, or they have a massive budget for a project like Assasins Creed 2, and they want to make use of the best hardware available.
Something like this however, makes perfect sense on all three systems. Its clearly not graphically intensive, so theres no reason it couldn't be on all three, and where the nostalgia and retro gaming market exists on the PSN/XBLA, the more mascot, colorful and platformer friendly market exists on Wii. I could see it doing well everywhere. Sure, the Wii version would be gimped in the resolution department, but there's absolutely no reason that would take away from the PS360 versions.
So yeah, I hope its on Wii as well
Something like this however, makes perfect sense on all three systems. Its clearly not graphically intensive, so theres no reason it couldn't be on all three, and where the nostalgia and retro gaming market exists on the PSN/XBLA, the more mascot, colorful and platformer friendly market exists on Wii. I could see it doing well everywhere. Sure, the Wii version would be gimped in the resolution department, but there's absolutely no reason that would take away from the PS360 versions.
So yeah, I hope its on Wii as well
Father_Brain
Banned
Looks great, but still like one of the prettiest Flash games ever made. :lol at people claiming that the team behind this isn't cutting any corners on animation.
Alex
Member
distantmantra said:
Well, it probably is when it's all you have.
But for the rest of us, we'll just have to suffer with our HD 2D and online co-op!
No seriously, I mean, it'd be nice if the game went to Wii, and it'd fit in with other nice titles like the Klonoa remake and Boy and his Blob, but better? You'd have to make some weird stretches for that.
lunarworks
Member
Beautiful. Before polygons took over in the mid-'90s, this is what "the future of games" was imagined to look like.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well it'll be nice for you PS360 owners, since all you have is gritty dudebro shooters, amirite?Alex said:
Eh, it wouldn't necessarily be a better game on Wii, but I can see the argument that it would do better sales-wise on there.
Hero of Legend
Member
Since it could be in episodes and potentially too big for WiiWare's size limit (debatable, since Sonic 4 is on WiiWare in the same form), perhaps they could make a Wii retail compilation after it's concluded.
Look at Rabbids 1, Rayman was the central character, and the game still did really well on the Wii, but obviously the Rabbids became popular and thus the Rabbids sub-series began, but Rayman was the central character in the original, so why would it all of the sudden seem like he wouldn't do really well on it? So maybe a retail compilation would grab a lot of attention from the already established and the semi-new Rabbids crowd, hell why would people all of the sudden think Rayman and the Rabbids are two different things now? Get what I'm saying?
Maybe Rabbids 1 did so well was due to it being a launch title?
Look at Rabbids 1, Rayman was the central character, and the game still did really well on the Wii, but obviously the Rabbids became popular and thus the Rabbids sub-series began, but Rayman was the central character in the original, so why would it all of the sudden seem like he wouldn't do really well on it? So maybe a retail compilation would grab a lot of attention from the already established and the semi-new Rabbids crowd, hell why would people all of the sudden think Rayman and the Rabbids are two different things now? Get what I'm saying?
Maybe Rabbids 1 did so well was due to it being a launch title?
Father_Brain said:
Im not sure why they would be when even the team themselves admits they are very small and cutting corners is a necessity
They just don't have the manpower to port it down right now.Hero of Legend said:
Looks absolutely fantastic. Easily the best part of the show thus far. I'm sorry to say that I've never played a Rayman game before (even being a big fan of platformers) but I hope to remedy that as soon as the first episode of this hits. If they rereleased the old titles in a HD remix style (or even SD if they went Wiiware) to lead up to the release of origins,I'd love to try those too.
As far as platforms go, if they're not leveraging the unique controller capabilities of the Wii, (i.e. its one real advantage) I don't see why they wouldn't go HD exclusive. It seems unfair to Wii-only owners (and, granted, the Wii has been the platform for platformers thus far this gen so if there are any one console platformer fans, my guess is that that's where they'd be.) but I don't see why they should aim for it when they could give the visuals that much more oomph on another platform. (All this is assuming they lack the assets to simply do two versions) Of course, the classic controller is arguably the best controller for 2D games out there, so maybe that should factor into the decision and the Wii should get it after all.
As far as platforms go, if they're not leveraging the unique controller capabilities of the Wii, (i.e. its one real advantage) I don't see why they wouldn't go HD exclusive. It seems unfair to Wii-only owners (and, granted, the Wii has been the platform for platformers thus far this gen so if there are any one console platformer fans, my guess is that that's where they'd be.) but I don't see why they should aim for it when they could give the visuals that much more oomph on another platform. (All this is assuming they lack the assets to simply do two versions) Of course, the classic controller is arguably the best controller for 2D games out there, so maybe that should factor into the decision and the Wii should get it after all.
Father_Brain
Banned
Lijik said:
Yeah, I'm not hating on the team; I was mainly responding to ckohler's post asserting that the game is using "insane, hand drawn" animation, when it's obvious from the trailer that it's using shortcuts like segmented multi-sprite characters, scaling, rotation, and (possibly) vector animation to keep the number of actual, distinct frames fairly low. I suppose I should have just quoted him.
Actually, have there been any recent hi-res sprite-based side-scrollers, other than Wario Land, that haven't made significant use of the shortcuts in question?
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