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Realistic Link design by Kyle Hefley (343 Developer)
- Thread starter Crossing Eden
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
We should really stop the implication that making character models look like actual people is an inherently western thing. :/
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Looks fucking great. I don't think a The Legend of Zelda film (or three even) would be very fun, but amazing posters.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Did WW Link get a similar reaction from fans when first revealed?
I mean, with a bit of tweaking, I think a "realistic" adult(age 20+) Link could very much work well.
I mean, with a bit of tweaking, I think a "realistic" adult(age 20+) Link could very much work well.
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SolidSnakex
Member
It's viewed as a western thing because of how pretty much all AAA western games are realistic at this point.
MistressMoitie
Member
I like this face!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Western devs have taken advantage of the tech available to them to make things look more believable, not necessarily realistic. Like urban rat stated the majority of costumes would look ridiculous irl even if they're good cosplays.
never in the history of video games did a reveal receive more backlash than "Celda".
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
DmC but I see your point.
marthurstewart
Member
The only real Link is Pantsless Link.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
Chin isn't sharp enough. Needs Reese Witherspoon chin.
DmC was nothing compared to the Wind Waker backlash. Probably because the Zelda fanbase is much larger, but still, I can't think of a single character redesign that caused more wailing than WW.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Holy shit it was that bad? o_o
SolidSnakex
Member
But they seem to think believability is related to realism. So you aren't really seeing many AAA games come out of western studios that look like Ni no Kuni or Skyward Sword. Which is why it's not surprising that a topic like this would have a negative reaction. Many people aren't interested in seeing all games go down that realism route.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Believability is related to realism in some form, making things make sense logically despite being fantastical does wonders, hence the backlash when something makes no sense at all. I mean the Witcher 3 just released and I'd say that that game has just as many if not more fantastical elements than Ni No Kuni or Skyward Sword but present them in a grounded way.
so I googled that image, and found a thread at zbrushcentral.
here is a colored image:
personally, I wouldn't want to see a link like this in a game, but hey it's just an art excersice and as such it's fun.
here is a colored image:
personally, I wouldn't want to see a link like this in a game, but hey it's just an art excersice and as such it's fun.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Added to OP.so I googled that image, and found a thread at zbrushcentral.
here is a colored image:
personally, I wouldn't want to see a link like this in a game, but hey it's just an art excersice and as such it's fun.
kuroneko0509
Member
Can't say I saw that much backlash for non-sense for the last few Fast and Furious movies, which are multi-million successful blockbusters. Part of the charm of gaming (Especially on the East side) is having fantastical elements and suspending your disbelief in reality. Which go all beyond reason, because simply put, it's damn cool.
That's supposed to be a human face?
I kid, a little. Seriously that is an ugly face.
And the color makes it worse.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Gross, he looks grotesque.
SolidSnakex
Member
Being grounded is really the last thing I want from fantasy games. What goes on in NnK and Skyward Sword is believable for those worlds. That's all that really should matter. It seems very limiting to attempt to link real world logic to a setting where characters are fighting demons and dragons.
also, I guess it doesn't matter but it looks like the art is from 2011 so it's nothing recent.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Including something because you think it's cool is not necessarily a good way to design something, especially since it applies to most things that well look terrible and are over designed as hell. Having any sort of fantastical elements requires the audience to suspend their disbelief. F&F 6 is also a lot more self aware than things you usually see that are included because "it looks cool."
Well yes, human faces have wrinkles, and generally are not perfect. >_>
There's a difference between applying real world logic and making things believable enough that the viewer doesn't bat an eye. I'd say Zelda overtime has gone out of it's way to become more grounded actually. Link for instance doesn't do things like summoning giant fire whirlwinds with his bare hands anymore.
Yea.
As an exercise its pretty cool, but as Link the face throws it off for me. The paintover in the thread to give him softer features looks on point though!!
This thread has me wondering if anyone has ever attempted cg versions of Terada's artwork as an exercise.
Id play as these Links lmao
This thread has me wondering if anyone has ever attempted cg versions of Terada's artwork as an exercise.
Id play as these Links lmao
bill.cosby
Neo Member
Looks pretty neat. I'd have to see how the rest of the world would be rendered before I knew if I'd want to play a game with this type of artstyle, but it could be alright.
Not surprisingly, this thread turned into another thinly veiled Japan vs. West argument. Really tiring, especially since generalizing in that manner is insulting to artists on both "sides". There are very talented artists in gaming from all over the world, including Kyle Hefley. Get over your petty biases.
Not surprisingly, this thread turned into another thinly veiled Japan vs. West argument. Really tiring, especially since generalizing in that manner is insulting to artists on both "sides". There are very talented artists in gaming from all over the world, including Kyle Hefley. Get over your petty biases.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
kuroneko0509
Member
Is it a coincidence this popped up after this topic was made?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1147532
Crossing Eden has an agenda and axe to grind to say the least based off his posting history.
Spare me your condensation, I'm fine with wrinkles and "not-perfect faces" * THAT face is ugly with a capital UGG. This is not an east west thing for me, that particular face from that particular artist is off putting to me. Sorry for not liking what you like.
*For example here's a wrinkly face I think looks great
http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/tvbanners/7896064/p7896064_b_v7_aa.jpg
You're wrong. Which is why he's one of the most recognizable characters of all time. It's like... the exact opposite of generic and forgettable.
Paracelsus
Member
I don't know how but people managed to successfully associate "realistic" with "western idea of mediocre to downright ugly".
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I absolutely hate it.
No, now he turns into a wolf or wall graffiti. Nothing to bat an eye at.
Yeah it's weird.
freethoughtbubble
Member
It's a well made model that accomplishes the exact thing the artist intended: a realistic portrayal of Link's classic look.
That said, the result is unbelievably goofy looking. That's because Link's outfit only works in a stylized context. I'm not saying that a more stylized look is inherently superior in all instances, but it is better suited to the more fantastical style of the Zelda games. Even the most "realistic" looking Zeldas (OoT and TP) are deeply stylized games. I'd prefer they keep it that way, especially since games of the scale of Zelda that buck the realist trend are the rare exception in the current gaming climate not the rule.
That said, the result is unbelievably goofy looking. That's because Link's outfit only works in a stylized context. I'm not saying that a more stylized look is inherently superior in all instances, but it is better suited to the more fantastical style of the Zelda games. Even the most "realistic" looking Zeldas (OoT and TP) are deeply stylized games. I'd prefer they keep it that way, especially since games of the scale of Zelda that buck the realist trend are the rare exception in the current gaming climate not the rule.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
You should remove the tin foil hat. I was looking through artstation at the time of reading that thread and decided to make a thread about it. I would've made it regardless of the discussion in that thread.
I wouldn't call it ugly imho. I'm not scolding you for liking things I don't like, you seem really hostile.
While the wolf thing makes very little sense, the wall graffiti thing was given context. It didn't need a complicated explanation.
You could argue he's iconic simply as a Nintendo character that everyone knows. But nothing about his character, silhouette, or design really stand out as anything terribly unique or interesting. At the same time, sometimes simplicity, like his green hood, are all it takes to be memorable.
I would love to see a more mature Zelda game, certainly. I haven't had the slightest urge to play Zelda since I was a kid.
Your the one who feels the need to shout back about human faces not being perfect because I happen to think this one render has an ugly face.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm not shouting. ?
Like many of the most iconic game designs Link is iconic because he's incredibly easy to remember as a character design.
Princess Carl
Member
People in fiction are fighting 100 times more enemies with little time to work on their weapons.
Stop looking at the AAA landscape if you're going to make idiotic generalizations like that.
James Scott
Banned
Yeah, much better
JumpCancel
Banned
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WaterAstro
Member
looks like an Elder Scrolls mod
Let Skyrim be Skyrim and let Zelda be Zelda games. Stop pushing so hard for convergence of everything as if we don't have enough of that crap in the industry. Not everything needs to be similar to one another.