AngryNapkin
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It's not really fear mongering at all. I've spent 3 years in Iraq, a year in Afghanistan and months in Quatar, Kuwait, etc.
Respecting women and children (especially little boys) is not part of the overall vocabulary.
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It's not really fear mongering at all. I've spent 3 years in Iraq, a year in Afghanistan and months in Quatar, Kuwait, etc.
Respecting women and children (especially little boys) is not part of the overall vocabulary.
It's sad yes, really depressing but its nothing on the big whole and rather annoying that people can spend a thought, she deserves more yes, because it happened at home. But everyone else, still stuck in the camps, having lived there for more than 20 years can go literally die from starvation and dehydration every day since no one bothers.
See their loved ones corpses slowly decay as they can't even make a grave, if they had the strength to do it. Yepp no one cares and if they even suspected it an active decision to stay in the dark is taken. I don't blame people. I really don't. I just think less about us as a whole. Especially myself. Know what I do to dull the knowledge of this shit?
I play games, sleep with everyone willing. Well at least I have a well paying job and tons of nieces and nephews that loves me and I love them.
I'm laughing my ass off. I really am. Oh boy how I wish I was young and blue eyed again. How I wish anyone would care.
Unicef have been screaming about this for years. They need resources.
The forces that be have refused the help they needed. Some refused due to actually building out these camps and make them habitable would not only cost tons of money but it would be admitting defeat. They couldn't "fix" the shit.
Dadaab was one of the largest UNHCR camps are starting to house a second generation of kids that know nothing of the outside world.
Kakuma was once a small town now it's a City that is ready to die from within. They are also closing in on a second generation coming to be. Probably already are a few there.
Remember the lost boys of Sudan? pfft, a bucket in the sea. 20 thousand people and over 2.5 million people dead.
And even these examples are just a drop in the bucket. So stop fucking pretending like we're doing anything. All we're doing is pretending to help people that have come here while millions die and we can't be arsed to fucking lift a finger because it's to expensive. It's to much of a bother. Nah, let's become the bitch of capitalism and let all the funds freely move all over the world into the pocket of some fat fuck that will sit on it and make sure everyone else is in debt to them. Let's see how our well fare crumbles just because we voted for that and refused to see the consequences further than having €200 extra in our wallet each year. Yeah let's refuse all that and fucking moan when an government that had their heads stuck up their asses sniffing their own faeces and failing at everything while some right wing group can literally do everything a alleged *horrible fucking animal of a Muslim man* does and get away scotch free. It's all fucking ok.
And for Libya..yeah it's actually ok. It's not all roses no. They have tons to do but here.
Sorry for the mixed pictures but that's all I have here in the overnight flat, the rest is at the house. Anyway these I took during the late 90s and middle 2000. I'm astonished how some of these people could still smile after living next to a house that they used as a morgue because an Army higher up(read fuckhead) decided against even doing that then tore us a new one when we did a mass grave for them. No proper funeral, no nothing and the workers that helped are probably still crying when they remember. Refused us when we tried to drag in those water pipes. Tore us a new one for that as well. I hope that man died alone. He is the first I have ever really hated.
As for EU...yeah EU can go fuck itself. let's point fingers at Turkey for inhuman conditions and issues but whoa a few asylees are making it over?
Sorry Turkey, do whatever just make sure to stop the bulk. ok? What? no? Well...ok we'll give you money which you can do whatever with just stop please.
Fuck Japan for paying meagre sums to ignore the refugees. Abe you shithead how soon until Japans women and elderly all have jobs so you can start accepting Refugees? Let me guess. Never. Or wait, 11. I think it was 11 Japan accepted. But hey, hide behind that $200 million "donation". It was helpful but just a drop in the sea.
Fuck Saudi Arabia, you donated around a hundred mill still a drop. But hey at least you took some in as slaves. That's really fucking classy. And let's pretend those documents are real where they are all smiling and having fun working when no one has ever fucking seen them.
I really wish I could tell USA to go fuck itself as well but you have Trump. That's fucked up enough.
Thanks Libanon, Thanks Jordan. I don't know how your countries manages but thanks.
EDIT: I forgot but hey, how many of you talking about these conditions in any middle eastern country have actually ever been? Or just pulling reports taken from some asshole with an agenda?
So you actual believe the people saying fuck this place I'm leaving and trying to find somewhere new to start over have the same mindset of the people you saw during your visit. You feel that is evidence that most immigrants are misogynistic and the majority of them hold this mindset. You people are really missing your calling being able to read minds is a gift you should really take advantage of.
AngryNapkin
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It's engrained in their culture, the Vice documentary on Afganhistan and the US efforts there is a good starting point.
The amount of people who don't molest children or think women are property are in the vast minority.
You might not like it but it is what it is, there is not a day goes by where there is not an incident at these places all over these countries. They had to make special signs to put up to tell young men it's not cool to grab women's asses.
When all you know is violence, molestation, rape, hate towards women, radicalism, etc. from birth it's part of you. It's who you are, deciding you don't want to die doesn't change that.
I went out on patrol one day after one of our workers who was like 12 at the time came into the compound bleeding down his leg after getting raped by local police officers. We still had to patrol with those bastards and there was nothing we could do to them. There are many other examples I could go into but this is across the board.
Sorry if it doesn't fit your priorities.
Your not biased at all...
Dreams-Visions
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Mental health screening must improve, as must monitoring and transitioning efforts. The safety of your own citizenry has to be established first, and all efforts to ensure their safety must be taken into account before bringing in refugees. Establish the organization and plan to address those things and be diligent. Then proceed to save as many as possible. Not a moment sooner.
The fucked up part is when the UN tried to hide the pedophiles within their own ranks. That's really swell. Last years whistle blower wasn't the first and probably never the last.
But yes, this happens. The only one better at hiding rapist pedophiles is the church.
Cut your whining. People have legitimate grievances with unbridled immigration from countries with vastly different cultural values and views regarding women and LGBT rights that don't automatically boil down to racism. People are way past the point where they are going to let this kind of constant and unnecessary whining stifle discussion and criticism.
Pretty sure the grievances require all of the dog whistle, charged language, and stereotyping.
Yup.
CenturionKei
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Disgusting. This thing is getting out of hand. When will Europe wake up. This mass immigration policy isn't working
AngryNapkin
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Wanting to believe something and knowing something is two entirely different things mate.
I have no agenda to believe anything, what i do have is a brain in my head and I use it to process information. You are making biased generalizations of the people of several nations. You are taking what you saw in a very small sampling and applying to group of people you have never observed. Its just bad science and logic. I have said my bit and no one has yet been able to produce a shred of evidence or logic to back up the nonsense their spewing. I am sure there are dangerous and people that are simple not capable to adjusting among the refuges and every nation should do their best to weed them out. That being said ranting that the majority of them are rapist, pedophiles and misogynists is simple fear mongering based on no scientific data of any kind.
Especially since left-wing establishment parties have been very opposed to any immigration criticism for a long time now, quickly dismissing it as racist or non-tolerant. I don't think that rhetoric has any strength left in it now.
That is so wrong on so many levels.
But I got banned last time I tried to counter that argument
Why can't people just agree that taking in refugees is a good thing, but taking in too many refugees with out proper background checks for all of them is insanity.
It's obvious some countries didn't have the infrastructure to handle that many refugees at once, that is a government failure at all levels.
AngryNapkin
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I've been to 20 different cities in Iraq, countless provinces in both countries, interacted with probably thousands of local nationals.
These things were observed by me across the board, were briefed during IMF briefings weekly, and mentioned hundreds of times in ROE cards, briefs, and meetings.
I'm not saying we should not allow refugees, what I am saying is it's part of that culture and there are daily stories in a multitude of languages and countries where these refugee centers have a multitude of problems.
You can believe what you want, if you want to believe all of these people believe are care bears and rainbows wanting to be perfect by all means.
That doesn't mean they are.
Damn you Finland for having all those colonies and Finnish corporations exploiting Africa as well as the Middle-East. ◔_◔
Obviously Russia/CCCR and US are conveniently forgotten from that rant despite being the elephant in the room regarding how the geopolitical situation developed during the last century.
While people only deal with this with extremes (right and left), the situation won't improve. It's sad to see that everything is dismissed as racist on one side and to see far right groups rising on the other side. It's bad for everyone, really.
Oh my...
Forsete
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Nokia probably did something bad once....
I know ASEA (now ABB) had a swastika for a logo once upon a time, so did the Finnish air force, that has to count for something.
Pancake Mix
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It's the right move, we don't want them. Men in their late teens and early twenties are the most likely to be criminals, so why on Earth would you ever spend money to import them from a war zone? I hope whoever did this is imprisoned and then immediately deported, what a senseless act.
Embarrassing post. This should not happen. Sweden might need to reconsider their strategy now.
Europe has already given untold billions in foreign aid. Doesn't seem to stop fundamentalism or savagery towards women at all.
But hey, lets treat non-Westerners as children who aren't responsible for their own societies.
What he posted is not even true. And we should import them from a warzone because we are a country with the means to provide help to those that need it.
And you can keep providing nothing but hyperbole to try and support your stance but that in no way furthers your point.
Pancake Mix
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It's very true, actually. Young, single men are generally last priority for the Canadian government in this refugee crisis. This policy has been known for two months now.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185
leatherhat
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How is posting about his extensive time in the region and the attitudes he encountered there hyperbole?
Best part is when we in these enlightened countries still rape, sexually harass and shit of fudge packers and fetisizhe lesbians.
And this is just shit I remember from the top of my head that many probably have heard about our neighbouring countries. But it's all jokes so it's OK.
People, yes there is a problem with many of these young men, many are fucking aces though but pretending they are the devil while we're not better ourselves is just ridiculous.
This "You can believe what you want, if you want to believe all of these people believe are care bears and rainbows wanting to be perfect by all means.That doesn't mean they are." is basically a text book definition.
I posted a link way back in the thread, we are not refusing single men we are focusing on women, children and family's first.
leatherhat
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So one ending line about how you are naive to the problems open borders are causing is "nothing but hyperbole". I assume you're just ignoring the rest of his post?
Pancake Mix
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That's what I said, last priority. What he posted wasn't wrong, single men of that age are far more likely to be turned around under this policy, whereas they can be problematic in Europe like in this case.
Also, let's be realistic. Some of them may harbour views about women that are unacceptable with Western values....this is downright obvious.
The rest of his post was about his experiences in and about nations ripped apart by war and tensions for decades now. It has little to do with Syria which fell apart very recently.
They may all be brown mooslims but Syria is not Afghanistan is not Iraq.
leatherhat
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You realize these migrants are coming from Iraq as well right? You understand that Syrians are a minority in the grand total?
I read his post and as I clearly stated, one persons experience does not represent a valid sample. There is not scientific basis to say I was in x number of countries and I saw thing so it is fact for me to state that the vast majority of the residence of those nations feel they own women and are pedophiles. Its fucking nonsense, so unless you can bring a little more to the table, sorry but I will not count that as anything more then senseless rambling.
I was responding to AngryNapkin for some reason posting things about Afghanistan in a thread about the Middle East. It's nonsense.
And recounting experiences in places that are either warzones or have not recovered from destruction are hardly a reasonable basis to stereotype millions of people.
leatherhat
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Perhaps because Afghanistan is in the Middle East and a huge source of migrants. So its somewhat important to understand their attitudes and beliefs before throwing down the welcome mat to whomever.
It is not.
I was not under the impression we are turning anyone away or sending them home. Being there are several thousand miles between us and them we are selectively bringing women, children and families here. As things progress and we make sure our pipeline for them is good enough then we will consider men. The government could never get away with refusing men from a legal perspective.
I agree some of them may have this view my object was that most of them do.
ClosingADoor
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Depends on which definition you use.
Prioritizing women, children and families in this case is pretty much the same as turning away men, since they have no chance to come over to Canada at the moment on a government program. Would you be in support of Europe doing the same until our pipeline is good enough?
It is pretty well known and documented that countries like Afghanistan have major issues with abuse of young boys. Countries in the Middle-east have great issues with women's rights and LGTB rights. That is not senseless rambling, that is just the situation there.
There is no reasonable definition of the Middle East that includes Afghanistan.
leatherhat
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Keep trying to dodge the issue with a technicality of a definition that has changed multiple times though.
ClosingADoor
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G8 says it does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East
Historically it has also included Afghanistan for some time.
You're cribbing from Wikipedia on what the term used to mean BEFORE THE FIRST WORLD WAR? When the Ottoman Empire was still around?
Pancake Mix
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That's how the employment equity policy works every day, being male results in a reduction in priority. I'm sure that's not how they would word it anyways, it sounds callous, but crime is always a major concern with the young male demographic.
Oh I wouldn't say all of them do at all. I'll happily welcome immigrants from all over the world, but we HAVE TO point out the incompatible values of some and that we don't want those here. This poor girl was killed by someone no country wants and should not have been in Sweden.
Her name was Alexandra Mezher.
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And you're using a term that was coined by the administration of George W. Bush and that lumps Pakistan into a regional grouping that does not include India the country Pakistan was a part of until the middle of the twentieth century
This is not only ridiculous but serves to underlie my point that lumping Afghanis in with Syrians is absolute bullshit.
leatherhat
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You continue to avoid the issue of letting large amounts of people, unfiltered, from societies with backwards views on women? Is deflecting all you can do?
My point was, and remains, that AngryNapkin talking about Afghanistan as if it means anything when talking about Syrians is the height of absurdity.
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, opposing voices are now loud enough that you can't drown them out with your tired accusations of racism. People have decided they're not going to be shamed into silence anymore, both here on Neogaf and the broader European mainstream discourse.
leatherhat
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And my point is that Syrians are a minority in the migration. Iraq, Afghanistan, Eritrea and other countries make up large parts of it. So talking about Afghanistan is perfectly valid - and actually quite important.
ClosingADoor
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He also talks about Iraq, a country most definitely in the Middle-east and where refugees are coming from.
Do you deny that those countries have trouble when it comes to women's rights and LGTB rights that can become a problem when they are placed in another type of society? And it is then not smart to do that in large numbers, but in manageable ones so the ones coming in can be educated and seen if they will not cause trouble?
And since child abuse was brought up and I just came across this. 10-year old repeatedly raped in Swedish refugee center. http://vlt.se/nyheter/vasteras/1.3479562-misstankt-barnvaldtakt-pa-asylboende Police tried to get him out but where forced to flee the scene because of an angry crowd http://vlt.se/nyheter/vasteras/1.3488614-poliser-tvingades-fly-fran-asylboende But I guess there are no troubles with letting in too many people that stuff like this can happen. And the other reports about child abuse, rapes, forced prostitution and more in refugee centers across Europe.
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