I remember the "Toy Story" statements being made about the PS2 back in 1999.
I'm pretty sure Sony said it. If not, then it was articles saying that the PS2 would provide "Toy Story" movie-like graphics.
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I remember the "Toy Story" statements being made about the PS2 back in 1999.
I'm pretty sure Sony said it. If not, then it was articles saying that the PS2 would provide "Toy Story" movie-like graphics.
Phoenician_Viking
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And the WiiU is not more powerful than PS360, so it´s not more powerful than current gen, therefor it´s current gen, while both the 3DS and the Vita were more powerful than the DS and PSP.
DidntKnowJack
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On the whole "Toy Story Graphics" thing. Sony never actually used those words. Though they did say "comparable to movie-quality 3D graphics in real time."
From an old ass thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89876
From an old ass thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89876
perineumlick
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Yeah, I believe it was CNN that started the "Toy Story" crap; it wasn't an actual quote from Sony themselves. They did say "3D movie quality" graphics, but for some reason everyone ran with the Toy Story angle; at least that's how i remember it. I could be wrong.
Edit - Beaten. But I was right lol!
Phoenician_Viking
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Haha acting like a victim won´t get you anywhere here. All the 3 get bashed. Even the lovable Steam gets backlash here on GAF. No one is safe, especially when companies try to bullshit people here. So stop acting like a victim and imagining things.
This is as funny as publishers hate Nintendo and don´t want to make any money/games for Nintendo.
Freezie KO
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Just watched the clip. The lying is unforgivable. That goes without saying (or it should).
But since when did Reggie become such a horrible salesperson? I have a Wii U, and he didn't sell me on the value of the system.
But since when did Reggie become such a horrible salesperson? I have a Wii U, and he didn't sell me on the value of the system.
Reggie has always been terrible. He's been riding on the coattails of the Wii's success. I wonder for how much longer will he remain president of NoA.
Phoenician_Viking
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Stop using human definition on technology. A generation in technology has always meant and it always will mean much more power, than previous generation.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
As if my issues with him weren't already enough, he goes on to lie to our faces?
I wish people would stop using this lier's face as an avatar. Ugh.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500232
I invite everybody to update their impressions.
I wish people would stop using this lier's face as an avatar. Ugh.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500232
I invite everybody to update their impressions.
Sorry....
Phoenician_Viking
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Awww did Gaf hurt your feeling but destroying bullshit statements? Awww don´t worry, this is all just a bad dream
The Matrix bs was even more outlandish: Kutaragi: "You can communicate to a new cybercity... This will be the ideal home server. Did you see the movie The Matrix? Same interface. Same concept. Starting from next year, you can jack into The Matrix!"
iNvid02
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It's Reggie so you should expect this, the guy is likeable and everything good you want to say about him but sometimes he gets too optimistic, his interviews with Doritospope are a good example of this, I wish he took it down a notch because he seems actually like a nice guy and it's sad to see him pulling these stunts.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
While I agree with you in general tech/advancement terms, I've never heard 'generation' - with respect to games - referring to anything other than the Megadrive/Snes; N64/Playstation; GC/PS2/Xbox; Wii/PS3/360 release periods. To act otherwise is completely disingenuous. The Wii U *is* Nintendo's stab at 'next gen' whether you agree on a technical level or not. Clearly they think the gains are not to be made in power/graphics. Which is debatable. As this thread has shown.
krypt0nian
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Upselling doesn't even mean what it's being used for here.
Ninnies.
Ninnies.
So what you're saying is that PCs are never current-generation? They will always be infinitely next-generation then, no matter what comes out, forever.
Still works, since the Wii U is a massive step over the Wii.
Phoenician_Viking
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No it does not since it´s on pair with current gen PS360.
lwilliams3
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What generation do you consider the Wii to be? Whatever it is, would the Wii U be a generation after it?
Coincidentally the majority of those early generations also featured generally comparable hardware. It just speaks to the uselessness of the term when Ouya is also next-gen.
PC's are more easily categorized by their parts: CPU series, GPU series etc. It's amusing how low-end GPUs are sometimes compared to entries in a previous series and no one goes crazy.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
It's like the 7½ floor in Being John Malkovich. Neither here nor there, apparently.
I just figured 'gen' was a way of grouping consoles together in release periods due to sharing various games/franchises/etc. (Insert joke about Wii U not sharing any games at all) Regardless of their power. Anyway, pointless discussion, really. But I see your point.
perineumlick
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Shut your mouth! Everyone knows Kutaragi is an ancient alien, here to spread his knowledge upon our walnut brains.
Yeah but the Wii U is not Sony nor Microsoft's console, it's Nintendo's.
Last console from Nintendo is the Wii, the Wii U, being significantly better and released 5 years later is Nintendo's next gen.
This platform will be present for the next 5 years at least and it'll be Nintendo's part of the market during the 720/PS4 era as well, so yeah, it's next gen, that you want it or not.
Newton Crosby
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Agenda eh?
Might want to go look in a mirror on that one, hypocrite.
Stoffinator
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What's the difference here? Sony saying that the PS2 had Toy Story like graphics was a straight up lie. No hyping there. They also said that the PS3 would run games at 1080p at 120fps. Again, straight up lie.
Not saying what Reggie did was right. Just saying that it's hardly something new in the video games industry. Doesn't make it right. It's just there.
Edit: Also, I'm not saying that it's wrong to jump on Reggie's back. No defense or anything. He should get put through the shredder for this, just as Sony has been put through the shredder before.
Wasn't it shown that Microsoft said the Toy Story graphics thing?
He never even answered my question!
polyh3dron
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There was the 8-bit generation with NES and SMS
The PCE/TG-16 was kind of in-between because it wasn't a true 16-bit system and many of its games still had 8-bit characteristics to them, although for an 8-bit system it was definitely supercharged so to speak.
There was the 16-bit generation with SNES and Genesis/MD, more colors, bigger more detailed sprites and better sound
Then there was the first 3D generation with N64, PSX, Saturn. Very primitive 3D graphics and all of them had their own specific shortcomings in displaying 3D.
Dreamcast is seen as an in between console but was a dramatic improvement from the previous gen and was much closer in power to the PS2, GameCube and Xbox. It's just that when the DC was on its own it had all this ZOMG TOY STORY GRAPHICS type hyperbole to compete with.
PS2, GCN and Xbox are the 2nd 3D generation, all comparable in power more or less and they showed much more mature 3D graphics technology.
360 and PS3 are the HD generation, and Nintendo was content to remain in the last generation technologically speaking, releasing a negligibly more powerful GCN with waggle tacked on.
Wii U is Nintendo finally almost catching up with 360 and PS3 technologically, and as such should not be considered to be in the next generation of consoles.
The PCE/TG-16 was kind of in-between because it wasn't a true 16-bit system and many of its games still had 8-bit characteristics to them, although for an 8-bit system it was definitely supercharged so to speak.
There was the 16-bit generation with SNES and Genesis/MD, more colors, bigger more detailed sprites and better sound
Then there was the first 3D generation with N64, PSX, Saturn. Very primitive 3D graphics and all of them had their own specific shortcomings in displaying 3D.
Dreamcast is seen as an in between console but was a dramatic improvement from the previous gen and was much closer in power to the PS2, GameCube and Xbox. It's just that when the DC was on its own it had all this ZOMG TOY STORY GRAPHICS type hyperbole to compete with.
PS2, GCN and Xbox are the 2nd 3D generation, all comparable in power more or less and they showed much more mature 3D graphics technology.
360 and PS3 are the HD generation, and Nintendo was content to remain in the last generation technologically speaking, releasing a negligibly more powerful GCN with waggle tacked on.
Wii U is Nintendo finally almost catching up with 360 and PS3 technologically, and as such should not be considered to be in the next generation of consoles.
Freezie KO
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I think it's important to know how many bits the Wii U has.
With that same 'power=generation' logic the Wii is still in the GCN/PS2/Xbox gen, while it was a PS360 concurrent in reality.
polyh3dron
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Yes.
krypt0nian
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Exactly. If Acer brought out a new laptop with old 486 technology, but used a new product code, that wouldn't be next gen either.
FairXchange
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Are you sure the Wii U is not as powerful as the PS3 and 360? Keep an eye out for games that are coming out in the near future.
Edit: Why are people convinced the Wii U is on par with the current gen consoles, does a better GPU and more RAM not mean anything? This attitude will quickly fade, but don't let this first round of ports cloud your perception.
I'm not saying it will put top end PCs to shame, but I'm already seeing visual flair in games like the Lego open world game and even Nano Assault that tell me people are jumping to conclusions very quickly (perhaps to assure themselves they don't need this hardware?).
polyh3dron
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More RAM doesn't mean much when said RAM is much slower.
Stephen Colbert
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Lots of ways to define a "generation."
You can define strictly in terms of release date, which tells us absolutely nothing about the capabilities of the system or the types of games it will be able to run. Defining it strictly by release date means that the Gameboy Micro is the same generation as the DS and PSP and the new Neo Geo mini arcade is the same generation as the Playstation Vita
It is a little perplexing why he would say something like that - especially on CNN. Normally he would, as you say, avoid the comparisons without actually lying. I'm actually struggling to find any plausible scenario in which he'd actually believe what he said.
Do you have a link cause I missed that confirmation. And to say WUST threads are a complete joke is quite laughable. There were quite a few knowledgable people in there, devs and otherwise.
FairXchange
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Texture work looks highly impressive in many games available (and coming) for Wii U, can someone explain how this is possible when its supposed to be worse?
I see. So it was the PS2 articles that made reference to Toy Story.
Only one person used it and I took it as him saying "oversell" (in this case going to great lengths to make the product seem better than it actually is).
No official or 100% reliable confirmation.
However 28nm fab is expensive, nintendo is cheap. why waste money on 28nm? moreover, it would definitely have been something they would have put in their spec sheets if it were true.
More storage means you can put in bigger texture
It's about what it should be, the CPU isn't too good either so making the ram faster would bottleneck
????
There's a difference between a revision and a completely new system. No one counts revisions as generations in themselves.
And yes, when it comes to gaming history, the Wii U will be looked at as belonging to the same gen as the next Xbox and Playstation (the 8th generation) since it's a successor.
Whether or not the Wii U feels like a next-gen system though is a different story.
Yeah, but if we're using the definition of power only, then that doesn't matter. Only the sum of all parts counts.
Is 32nm not possible?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I feel that for the turn of the millennium, PS2 games basically were Toy Story graphics. Back then it simply meant that we were going to see high poly count characters like in FFX
that looked like real CG animation, rather than the blocks covered in textures that had passed for 3D models prior. Even Dreamcast was more about abstract 3D characters (think Jet Set Radio). Since all game consoles have that detail now and its taken for granted, the only thing we can imagine when someone says "Toy Story graphics" is something that matched that movie's actual resolution and polygonal detail. I don't think anyone back in 1999 really thought that meant it would literally do that movie in real time. It was a useful example for the age of what graphics would look like.
that looked like real CG animation, rather than the blocks covered in textures that had passed for 3D models prior. Even Dreamcast was more about abstract 3D characters (think Jet Set Radio). Since all game consoles have that detail now and its taken for granted, the only thing we can imagine when someone says "Toy Story graphics" is something that matched that movie's actual resolution and polygonal detail. I don't think anyone back in 1999 really thought that meant it would literally do that movie in real time. It was a useful example for the age of what graphics would look like.
then please define the phrase 'generational leap' when used with respect to game consoles.